Spider Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Teaching unions are unhappy that their recommended 7% pay rise has been ignored... I'm over the moon at 3.1% .. That on top of a potential rise in my pay scale means a 4K rise.. SEVEN PERCENT???? Sorry, but that’s fucking crackers. Pleased for you though with the more sensible payrise that’s been awarded. Quote
Sweep Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I think most of these folk on either side of the divide are exactly as you describe. Yet certain folk seem to hang off their every word and follow them on social media And claim to be intelligent members of society. Baffling It makes people feel important, depending on their initial point of view, they'll blindly retweet stuff without ever fact checking it and take it as read. It seems most people, when it comes to anything political have an axe to grind, and it's easy to find stuff to suit your own narrative if you're that way inclined. In the main, there is no room for the moderate middle ground, it's either EDL/FLA/Racist types or BLM/Antifa/Leftie types when you boil it down. I understand people who have a lot of followers, I sort of get that, what I don't get it people who follows 5000, 7000 or 10K+ people, that's just ridiculous Quote
kent_white Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: You would know better than me when it comes to the NHS and Health service, i was just posting the headline, but having read through some of the Detail, Nurses seem to have done well over a short period of time incrementaly, however thats probably balanced out due to the longer period of Austerity. Teachers, its fine to give a 3.1% rise, but education centre's will still struggle if funding isn't increased per pupil/Student. Some will be happy some won't. Nurses aren't included in this one because we got a pay rise over the past 3 years. It brought us more into line with where we'd be if there hadn't been a ten year pay freeze. So not sure if that counts as doing well or not. Although it did work out a lot better for people just entering nursing than the experienced ones who've been around for a while. Hopefully that's not it for another ten years mind? Agree with the fact that pupil funding needs to be increased. Hard to see how that could be achieved without borrowing or tax rises in the current climate. Particularly with trade deals about to expire. Quote
Big E Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Teaching unions are unhappy that their recommended 7% pay rise has been ignored... I'm over the moon at 3.1% .. That on top of a potential rise in my pay scale means a 4K rise.. genuinely can't believe they have given teachers anything. most i know have been off the whole of lockdown and breaking the rules throughout regarding travel and visitors. reward them that had to go in to schools not a blanket rise. The NHS rise rejection is disgusting. friends on the front line are now very deflated. i really hope as others have said that they will get a separate deal Quote
mickbrown Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Sweep said: Agreed, and I shan't be listening. The fact the author of the tweet follows over 7000 people is enough to tell me he's a massive attention seeking bellend It's not the twatterer speaking. It's the committee. Quote
emus wig Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 Even though money is coming from existing budgets it’s definitely not a smoke screen for the Russia report . Quote
Casino Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Pay rises what are they Indeed Quote
Casino Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, emus wig said: Even though money is coming from existing budgets it’s definitely not a smoke screen for the Russia report . course its not And they think we are too thick to notice Arrogant twats Quote
Zico Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Just another example of a rag trying to gain clicks for me. We will never ever know the true human cost of this pandemic. But I will go as far as to say I believe we are much closer to the true number than many of our “developed” counterparts. but if it helps get people mildly erect thinking the government have been hiding deaths under the floorboards then so be it. no, and that's going to be a number that goes way beyond deaths of any description for me, the government can report whatever numbers they want, as long as the excess deaths number is accurately and impartially reported, then I can see for myself how things have gone Quote
only1swanny Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big E said: genuinely can't believe they have given teachers anything. most i know have been off the whole of lockdown and breaking the rules throughout regarding travel and visitors. reward them that had to go in to schools not a blanket rise. Odd that, most I know have worked throughout having to up-skill and learn how to deliver lessons online as well as delivering face to face teaching to vulnerable groups and the children of key workers. Alongside that most have also been affected by the pay freeze and are below in real terms from 2010... Not to mention that there is a national shortage of good teachers, and retention rates are shocking as they have chucked tons of money at retention.. (example being someone paid 25k to train tax free and then being paid less than that in the first year with tax ontop).. Quote
mickbrown Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Casino said: course its not And they think we are too thick to notice Arrogant twats It'll work. Without a doubt it'll work, because generally we are too fucking thick to notice or more worryingly, even give a shit Quote
Big E Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Odd that, most I know have worked throughout having to up-skill and learn how to deliver lessons online as well as delivering face to face teaching to vulnerable groups and the children of key workers. Alongside that most have also been affected by the pay freeze and are below in real terms from 2010... Not to mention that there is a national shortage of good teachers, and retention rates are shocking as they have chucked tons of money at retention.. (example being someone paid 25k to train tax free and then being paid less than that in the first year with tax ontop).. it may be the people i see / know but definitely not been a lot of that. Loads of people off work to look after kids as schools not open. nieces havent been near a school. Loads going between houses / walks 20+ km from home. Strangely the guys teaching at private schools have been in. Good on them like as you couldn't pay me to teach however i can't stand them when they say its not safe etc but its ok for everyone else to go back to work. Quote
only1swanny Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big E said: it may be the people i see / know but definitely not been a lot of that. Loads of people off work to look after kids as schools not open. nieces havent been near a school. Loads going between houses / walks 20+ km from home. Strangely the guys teaching at private schools have been in. Good on them like as you couldn't pay me to teach however i can't stand them when they say its not safe etc but its ok for everyone else to go back to work. I've said from the start, i'm having to teach (well not atm in this 6 week holiday), would be nice to see all the mps back in. Either way, i'm happy with the raise and annoyed at the unions whinging about it Quote
radcliffe white Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: None for me or the missus, we are just mere minions in the Public Sector, i will rely on my usual 1%, sorry it went up in April to 1.5%. Not surprised with you your boss ain’t going to give you a rise for posting on a football message board 24/7😀 Quote
peelyfeet Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: no, and that's going to be a number that goes way beyond deaths of any description for me, the government can report whatever numbers they want, as long as the excess deaths number is accurately and impartially reported, then I can see for myself how things have gone Whitty has said all along that excess deaths measured against age is the key metric that will tell us how well nations have dealt with the virus, at the end of the epidemic. Spoke with my NHS trust manager mate last nght, he reckons it will take at least a year to return to the operation waiting lists pre-covid. He also said there's still hundreds of folk being offered opertaions and treatments that aren't turning up, or refusing appointments for fear of covid, which ant helping in the long or short term Quote
Escobarp Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, peelyfeet said: Whitty has said all along that excess deaths measured against age is the key metric that will tell us how well nations have dealt with the virus, at the end of the epidemic. Spoke with my NHS trust manager mate last nght, he reckons it will take at least a year to return to the operation waiting lists pre-covid. He also said there's still hundreds of folk being offered opertaions and treatments that aren't turning up, or refusing appointments for fear of covid, which ant helping in the long or short term There’s also people being kicked into the long grass to die on the flip side. Just for balance Quote
Spider Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Ghana White said: They've voted against protecting the nhs from being sold abroad and protecting agricultural standards as well which just seems unreal but then nothing is with this lot This little gem seems to have been ignored. The tories have put to the vote (knowing they’d win because of their whopping majority) the option to put the NHS up as part of a trade deal with America. But its ok cos Boris has amusing hair Quote
Sweep Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spider said: This little gem seems to have been ignored. The tories have put to the vote (knowing they’d win because of their whopping majority) the option to put the NHS up as part of a trade deal with America. But its ok cos Boris has amusing hair You clearly missed the bit where the government promised the NHS wouldn't be for sale https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-nhs-is-not-for-sale-uk-says-of-any-free-trade-deal-with-us-2020-03-01 Quote
only1swanny Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Escobarp said: There’s also people being kicked into the long grass to die on the flip side. Just for balance Mrs Swanny has had every appointment cancelled.. She hasn't had a single phone call or appointment having been in Hospital on oxegen one day and told to "deal with it" the next.. Shocking really Quote
Escobarp Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Mrs Swanny has had every appointment cancelled.. She hasn't had a single phone call or appointment having been in Hospital on oxegen one day and told to "deal with it" the next.. Shocking really It’s outrageous and the communication is nothing short of pathetic. But they are “doing what they are told to do”. I don’t believe it’s from the government it is clearly coming from people within the nhs at a senior level and I hope when people are frothing at the mouths and looking at public hangings for the MP’s that these people are lined up closely behind them Quote
only1swanny Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: It’s outrageous and the communication is nothing short of pathetic. But they are “doing what they are told to do”. I don’t believe it’s from the government it is clearly coming from people within the nhs at a senior level and I hope when people are frothing at the mouths and looking at public hangings for the MP’s that these people are lined up closely behind them A lot seem to be getting a nice ride from all thise.. I haven't seen a single thing from the media pointing blame at them. FWIW we know are 99% certain what caused Mrs Swanny's illness but they will try and brush that under the carpet as it will cause a massive shit storm if it was made official.. I also reckon that's why nobody has followed it up.. Quote
Marc505 Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 Today's and tomorrow's new case figures should be the clearest indication yet of the impact of that first weekend of the pubs reopening, should it not? Quote
Casino Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Marc505 said: Today's and tomorrow's new case figures should be the clearest indication yet of the impact of that first weekend of the pubs reopening, should it not? Not sure Dont you just get locked down if you have been in the presence of a new case Unless the world leading test n trace app can tell us more? Quote
Escobarp Posted July 21, 2020 Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Casino said: Not sure Dont you just get locked down if you have been in the presence of a new case Unless the world leading test n trace app can tell us more? You’re supposed to go for a test I thought. Maybe that’s just up here though Quote
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