Rudy Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 I assume I’ve missed a few because this was off the top of my head but I was thinking about England’s strength in depth and how genuinely exciting it is GK Pickford Pope Henderson Defenders Walker Wan Bissaka James Chilwell Ayling Alexander Arnold Trippier Stones Maguire Ayling Dier Coady Mings Keane Midfielders Alli Winks Barkley Henderson Ward Prowse Maddison Hudson Odoi Rice Sancho Bellingham Grealish Foden Forwards Rashford Kane Abraham Ings Greenwood DCL Wilson Bamford Quote
bwfc2003 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Probably agree if we ignore goalies and defenders Quote
Pablo Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) Add Godfrey to that defender list....and Justin Edited February 9, 2021 by Pablo Quote
Rudy Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said: Probably agree if we ignore goalies and defenders How do? 3 minutes ago, Pablo said: Add Godfrey to that defender list....and Justin Gomez as well Quote
deane koontz Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Add Bukayo Saka too, he's been our best fullback in recent games Quote
Pablo Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, Rudy said: How do? Gomez as well Think Gomez our for a long time, but otherwise yes defo. Quote
Pablo Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, deane koontz said: Add Bukayo Saka too, he's been our best fullback in recent games Not bad for a winger. Quote
deane koontz Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, Pablo said: Not bad for a winger. Yup, There's Lamptey also Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 How many would you count as potentially World Class though? Important to put a good 'team' out if they are going to truly compete at the highest level. Quote
jmjhb Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 We could play a team of right-backs and it would still look half-decent Quote
Rudy Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: How many would you count as potentially World Class though? Important to put a good 'team' out if they are going to truly compete at the highest level. A world class player is a player who would theoretically get into the best teams in the world so Kane, Sterling, Sancho, Rashford. There was a point when TAA was the best full back in the workd However, we’ve always had the odd world class player but never such strength in depth across all positions, and I think that will be the difference Quote
Guest Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Aaron cresswell has been very consistent ok age wise not long term but should be considered for the euros Quote
Carlos Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 I don't think depth is great, we need someone who will tear a tournament apart. One player, like Bale carried Wales on. Someone the opponents have to stop, rather than going "oh England have a strong squad but the starting 11 is bang average". Quote
Pablo Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) Luke Shaw has been superb for United, he is nailed on to be in the team, never mind the squad. Edited February 9, 2021 by Pablo Quote
DazBob Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rudy said: A world class player is a player who would theoretically get into the best teams in the world so Kane, Sterling, Sancho, Rashford. There was a point when TAA was the best full back in the workd However, we’ve always had the odd world class player but never such strength in depth across all positions, and I think that will be the difference Just Kane and Sterling for me. Foden potentially. Thing is you don't necessarily need a team full of world class stars to be successful. Look at Leicester when they won the league and Greece when they won the Euros. Quote
Ani Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Keepers and defenders not good enough IMO. Kane brilliant 43 minutes ago, Rudy said: I assume I’ve missed a few because this was off the top of my head but I was thinking about England’s strength in depth and how genuinely exciting it is GK Pickford not good enough Pope see Pickford Henderson see Pope Defenders Walker good job he is fast Wan Bissaka can defend nothing going forward James 2nd best right back at Chelsea Chilwell decent premiership quality not world class Ailing taken about 100 years to get to premiership Alexander Arnold have you watched him this season, if he was playing in same city in Blue would not be hyped Trippier gambler Stones looks brilliant till he defends Maguire too slow Aylin is this Aillin Dier see Maguire Coady see Diet Mings I like him Keane Really ? Midfielders Alli bust flush Winks 1 good season Barkley not even best at Villa Henderson water carrier Ward Prowse there is a reason he is at Soton Maddison disappears Hudson Odoi hardly plays Rice potential Sancho needs to maintain form Bellingham lot to prove Grealish could be special Foden see Grealish Forwards Rashford better than Abraham Kane world class Abraham nowhere near go enough Ings see Ward Prowse Greenwood unproven DCL like him nowhere near world clAss yet Wilson nowhere near world class Bamford further off world class than Wilson You are right that we have a lot of players who good premiership players but few world class. From you list other than Kane at virtually every club their best player is not English. A front 3 of Kane, Foden and Grealish is exciting but a back 4 of TAA Maguire Stones and Wan Bissakka has more mistakes in it than a catholic adoption service Do you think the best English 11 would beat the best non English 11 from Premiership ? Quote
Newton White Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Vardy, Loftus Cheek, Harvey Barnes, mason mount, ross barkley, choudury off the top of my head There isnt a Gascoigne so its a tough job for Southgate to blend all of these 'good' players into a team that can win a tournament. As we are going nowhere this year again Ive just bought a projector and a big screen for the euros Quote
Rudy Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ani said: Keepers and defenders not good enough IMO. Kane brilliant You are right that we have a lot of players who good premiership players but few world class. From you list other than Kane at virtually every club their best player is not English. A front 3 of Kane, Foden and Grealish is exciting but a back 4 of TAA Maguire Stones and Wan Bissakka has more mistakes in it than a catholic adoption service Do you think the best English 11 would beat the best non English 11 from Premiership ? Forgot Shaw. I think so, if you take stones, Sterling and foden out of the city team, Henderson, TAA out of Liverpool, Maguire, rashford, shaw out of United etc. Those teams are significantly weaker and don’t have better or as good as replacements My main concern is the GK, the best one we have is a no.2 at United Quote
Pablo Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Im not sure Henderson is even that good, he made loads of mistakes at sheff united...they just dont get picked up on at all, because he is not England number 1. Quote
Guest Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Pablo said: Im not sure Henderson is even that good, he made loads of mistakes at sheff united...they just dont get picked up on at all, because he is not England number 1. I think he’s in the “ok nothing special bracket” but he’s not getting the game time Quote
Ani Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Rudy said: Forgot Shaw. I think so, if you take stones, Sterling and foden out of the city team, Henderson, TAA out of Liverpool, Maguire, rashford, shaw out of United etc. Those teams are significantly weaker and don’t have better or as good as replacements My main concern is the GK, the best one we have is a no.2 at United To be good enough you have to be the best of the best Dias and VanDyke set the standard at Centre half - if they are 100 each how good are the best English options ? Stones ? Maguire ? English midfielder that compares to De Bruyne ? Or Fernandes ? So the core of the team is simply not good enough when it comes to being world class. Apart from Kane I do not think we have any world class English players, The EPL is massively hyped so very good players get talked up to world class too easily. TAA had 2 great seasons but his stats this season are awful, never gets mentioned on Sky. Pabs might have a better view but Digne at Everton is as good as any I have see this season at full back. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Thing is though Ani, your world class players don't all play for one nation. Look at any country, and you could look many players and think there is better elsewhere. Then there is management of them; not long ago France had problems with players falling out. England once had club cliques which seem to have gone now. Quote
DirtySanchez Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Pablo said: Im not sure Henderson is even that good, he made loads of mistakes at sheff united...they just dont get picked up on at all, because he is not England number 1. His fuck up at Sheff Utd v Liverpool certainly did Quote
Zico Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Looks decent enough on paper No idea how it compares to France, Germany, etc Quote
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