Meanwhile In America

[Bertie]

6 hours ago, royal white said:

The school that has 153 kids in quarantine has pupils aged between 5-14.  Remind me again at what age you get the MMR vaccine 

Last one from me as I’ve lost the will to live. I’ve said a few times above RFKs views are not helping in the US in (i) getting newborns jabbed and (ii) addressing previous vaccine hesitancy in getting older kids jabbed.  All contributes to a lack of herd immunity.

[Spider]

On 28/09/2025 at 05:00, bolty58 said:

What drivel. A cleansing agent is just what they needed.

It’s in his wheelhouse. He was after using bleach to rid his veins of Covid 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Bertie said:

Last one from me as I’ve lost the will to live. I’ve said a few times above RFKs views are not helping in the US in (i) getting newborns jabbed and (ii) addressing previous vaccine hesitancy in getting older kids jabbed.  All contributes to a lack of herd immunity.

Of course they’re  not

 Shouldn’t even need saying that he’s a conspiracy nut job.

Anyone thinking Trump has ‘changed his stance’ after he appointed RFK is off their rocker.

Thats an argument to make if he fired him & hired an expert. But he’s not & they’re still all sat together week in week out peddling absolute nonsense…

These policies lead to deaths & spread of disease. Just because it’s happening in other countries doesn’t mean they can’t take some responsibility. 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Bertie said:

herd immunity.

Could do with a bit of that on here, particularly to Cheese posts and those of one or two other left leaning lunkheads.

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, Bertie said:

Great comments/context.

My general criticisms of governments in combating the anti-vaxers wasn’t meant to be personal yo folks on the front line like yourself. Apologies if came over this way. Probably more a case of me expressing frustration in another way at those who pedal lies - I can appreciate how hard it is to counter that.  I’m sure you and your colleagues do a brilliant job in tough circumstances.

I’ve certainly no magic wand.  To me data always works, so I’d keep pushing fact over fiction, truth over lies. Perhaps in this day and age though men or women in white coats will still struggle to break through, as opposed to influencers or community role models?

Sad state of affairs.

I knew you weren't targeting me directly - I was just teasing 😁

Yeah it's hard with influencers as we can't associate with them usually - in case they go batshit or have skeletons in the closet. Community role models is more like how we try to influence things. Although unfortunately at the moment, we're relying on volunteers because we have no money to pay someone to do the work......!

We discussed employing a nurse - and just having like an advice line where you could call and speak to an experienced nurse about vaccines and learn more about them if you were unsure. 

We actually had some funding for something like that but eventually decided not to use it for on advice that the number would likely quickly spread to anti-vaxxers who would phone up to (at best) clog the system, at worst abuse the nurse.

We're fighting a whole subculture here and they don't trust and 'experts' or 'evidence' or 'institutions' and more. They're even encouraged not to buy some people in government. Very much an idiocracy developing  right before our eyes.

[Cheese]

44 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Could do with a bit of that on here, particularly to Cheese posts and those of one or two other left leaning lunkheads.

You big baby.

[royal white]

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Of course they’re  not

 Shouldn’t even need saying that he’s a conspiracy nut job.

Anyone thinking Trump has ‘changed his stance’ after he appointed RFK is off their rocker.

Thats an argument to make if he fired him & hired an expert. But he’s not & they’re still all sat together week in week out peddling absolute nonsense…

These policies lead to deaths & spread of disease. Just because it’s happening in other countries doesn’t mean they can’t take some responsibility. 

However you’d have to be a raging lunatic to suggest that all those in quarantine are because of Trump and Kennedy ,

[Bertie]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

However you’d have to be a raging lunatic to suggest that all those in quarantine are because of Trump and Kennedy ,

Nobody has said that.

There would be fewer people in quarantine though if the folk in charge were competent.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Nobody has said that.

There would be fewer people in quarantine though if the folk in charge were competent.

Measles was practically gone until Trump and Kennedy took over…..that’s according to the meme you posted 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

However you’d have to be a raging lunatic to suggest that all those in quarantine are because of Trump and Kennedy ,

I think people like Trump, Kennedy & many other Republicans are responsible for sowing this shite in the US in recent years. Looking at it only from a lens of the past 10 months doesn’t give enough context. It’s also irrelevant saying this was happening when the Dems were in charge, as it’s obvious where the narrative is coming from. They’ve been spreading this shite whilst Biden & Obama were in charge. 

Their reluctance to tackle vaccine misinformation online (& even facilitate it in many cases) is making things worse too. This year cases are at a record high since 2000 when the disease was classed as eradicated in the US. Often they’re very clever in the say they sow doubt & uncertainty. 
 

It’s beyond me how anyone can even begin to defend Trump on his appointment & support of Kennedy.

Do you think it was a wise appointment? 

Edited October 16, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Cheese]

52 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s beyond me how anyone can even begin to defend Trump on his appointment & support of Kennedy.

It's a cult. They'll defend his every move, regardless.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I think people like Trump, Kennedy & many other Republicans are responsible for sowing this shite in the US in recent years. Looking at it only from a lens of the past 10 months doesn’t give enough context. It’s also irrelevant saying this was happening when the Dems were in charge, as it’s obvious where the narrative is coming from. They’ve been spreading this shite whilst Biden & Obama were in charge. 

Their reluctance to tackle vaccine misinformation online (& even facilitate it in many cases) is making things worse too. This year cases are at a record high since 2000 when the disease was classed as eradicated in the US. Often they’re very clever in the say they sow doubt & uncertainty. 
 

It’s beyond me how anyone can even begin to defend Trump on his appointment & support of Kennedy.

Do you think it was a wise appointment? 

Nope. But I think it’s a bit naive/stupid to be blaming them. 
 

In trumps second  year in his first term USA has its highest uptake of MMR vaccinations for years. How does that work out. 

Edited October 16, 2025 by royal white

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nope. But I think it’s a bit naive/stupid to be blaming them. 
 

In trumps second  year in his first term USA has its highest uptake of MMR vaccinations for years. How does that work out. 

RFK wasn't health secretary then?

[1969]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

I knew you weren't targeting me directly - I was just teasing 😁

Yeah it's hard with influencers as we can't associate with them usually - in case they go batshit or have skeletons in the closet. Community role models is more like how we try to influence things. Although unfortunately at the moment, we're relying on volunteers because we have no money to pay someone to do the work......!

We discussed employing a nurse - and just having like an advice line where you could call and speak to an experienced nurse about vaccines and learn more about them if you were unsure. 

We actually had some funding for something like that but eventually decided not to use it for on advice that the number would likely quickly spread to anti-vaxxers who would phone up to (at best) clog the system, at worst abuse the nurse.

We're fighting a whole subculture here and they don't trust and 'experts' or 'evidence' or 'institutions' and more. They're even encouraged not to buy some people in government. Very much an idiocracy developing  right before our eyes.

I'm having to have all my jabs again (the ones I had as a kid) due to treatment I'm waiting to start which reduces my immune system and the nurse said that everyone should have them again because they only last 25 years but the NHS can't afford it.Is this true or is she talking through her arse

[royal white]

45 minutes ago, Zico said:

RFK wasn't health secretary then?

Nor was he when vaccine hesitancy hit America and around the world. 

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nor was he when vaccine hesitancy hit America and around the world. 

Yeah, seemed an obvious answer, dunno, am joining in but not really invested in the whole vaccine thing

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Nope. But I think it’s a bit naive/stupid to be blaming them. 
 

In trumps second  year in his first term USA has its highest uptake of MMR vaccinations for years. How does that work out. 

That doesn’t tell us much. He also suggested that people should inject bleach in his first term. 

 Was the uptake down to a campaign from administration at the time? Or did it come from the work of others? He even tried taking credit for the Covid vaccine. 

 Not sure why you’re trying to defend him on this tbh. You’ve just agreed it was daft to appoint Kennedy. 
 

The misinformation being deliberately spread by Trump & Kennedy is dangerous. People need clear, concise messages. Sometimes they even need mandatory laws.

He’s doing the opposite. And people will die as a result. It’ll take decades to fix.

 There’s no defence of him on this one mate

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

That doesn’t tell us much. He also suggested that people should inject bleach in his first term. 

 Was the uptake down to a campaign from administration at the time? Or did it come from the work of others? He even tried taking credit for the Covid vaccine. 

 Not sure why you’re trying to defend him on this tbh. You’ve just agreed it was daft to appoint Kennedy. 
 

The misinformation being deliberately spread by Trump & Kennedy is dangerous. People need clear, concise messages. Sometimes they even need mandatory laws.

He’s doing the opposite. And people will die as a result. It’ll take decades to fix.

 There’s no defence of him on this one mate

What is he spreading? 

 

How many people injected themselves with bleach? 
 

Are the 153 in Quarintine because of Trump and Kennedy? 
 

[Winchester White]

22 minutes ago, royal white said:

What is he spreading? 
 

Only the other week he was wanging on about babies being pumped with 80 vaccines at once and Tylenol being linked to autism so pregnant women shouldn't take it. Utter fucking made up nonsense.

[London Wanderer]

30 minutes ago, royal white said:

What is he spreading? 

 

How many people injected themselves with bleach? 
 

Are the 153 in Quarintine because of Trump and Kennedy? 
 

The last question is an odd one. You were discussing that with Bertie. They’ll be there for lots of different reasons, some for childhood neglect, others for believing vaccine sceptics.
 

People did admit to drinking bleach yes. Impossible to measure how many to be honest. Do you think it was a harmless thing for a president to say mid pandemic? Bit of banter 😄

Read away - https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2167

Speaking at the World Vaccine Congress Europe in Amsterdam on 14 October, public health policy makers and industry leaders warned of the “domino effect” of messaging coming from the US. The conference also heard that investment in vaccine development and technologies had started declining as a result of the negative sentiment in the US and recent political decisions.

Speakers said that since President Trump retook office and made Robert F Kennedy Jr his health chief,1 the administration had cut vaccine research funding, made unfounded claims about vaccines and autism,2 fired vaccine experts and other health staff,34 and given mixed messaging on measles vaccination amid a deadly outbreak of the disease.5

Don’t know about you but I find the cutting of vaccine research, at a time when diseases are re-emerging, pretty worrying. The other day he was suggesting child vaccines shouldn’t be taken together. With no scientific basis for his argument, when all the research points to them working effectively together - whilst minimising the need for repeat injections & meaning more children get vaccinated because it’s quicker.

 His words, his administration, his chosen appointments. 
 

Do you think his approach to public health & is okay ? 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Only the other week he was wanging on about babies being pumped with 80 vaccines at once and Tylenol being linked to autism so pregnant women shouldn't take it. Utter fucking made up nonsense.

It’s going to be a laugh hearing RW attempt to defend him on this one 😄

[DazBob]

41 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 Not sure why you’re trying to defend him on this tbh.

He'll defend him on any topic, along with the other numpty.

There's no point trying to engage. You'll just get whataboutery and questions that aren't answerable.

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The last question is an odd one. You were discussing that with Bertie. They’ll be there for lots of different reasons, some for childhood neglect, others for believing vaccine sceptics.
 

People did admit to drinking bleach yes. Impossible to measure how many to be honest. Do you think it was a harmless thing for a president to say mid pandemic? Bit of banter 😄

Read away - https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2167

Speaking at the World Vaccine Congress Europe in Amsterdam on 14 October, public health policy makers and industry leaders warned of the “domino effect” of messaging coming from the US. The conference also heard that investment in vaccine development and technologies had started declining as a result of the negative sentiment in the US and recent political decisions.

Speakers said that since President Trump retook office and made Robert F Kennedy Jr his health chief,1 the administration had cut vaccine research funding, made unfounded claims about vaccines and autism,2 fired vaccine experts and other health staff,34 and given mixed messaging on measles vaccination amid a deadly outbreak of the disease.5

Don’t know about you but I find the cutting of vaccine research, at a time when diseases are re-emerging, pretty worrying. The other day he was suggesting child vaccines shouldn’t be taken together. With no scientific basis for his argument, when all the research points to them working effectively together - whilst minimising the need for repeat injections & meaning more children get vaccinated because it’s quicker.

 His words, his administration, his chosen appointments. 
 

Do you think his approach to public health & is okay ? 

It’s not odd. I was discussing this with Bertie when everyone else decided to jump in. I’ve said numerous times that I don’t agree with his decision to appoint Kennedy and all people seem to be saying is “you can’t defend him” my point is the meme that Bertie posted is fkin stupid. Nobody will make me think otherwise as it’s simply a meme made up of lies. 

[London Wanderer]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s not odd. I was discussing this with Bertie when everyone else decided to jump in. I’ve said numerous times that I don’t agree with his decision to appoint Kennedy and all people seem to be saying is “you can’t defend him” my point is the meme that Bertie posted is fkin stupid. Nobody will make me think otherwise as it’s simply a meme made up of lies. 

Oh right it’s all about the meme now is it 😄

Is that why you asked me about the bleach & what other misinformation Trump had spread. Whilst also going on about how measles vaccine uptake was up in his first term & that he’s taken his boosters.

You’ve just realised it’s impossible to defend him on this, so you’ve gone back to the meme. Bit of a shocker tonight pal, just enjoy the game x

It was his appointment and these are his policies. That will cause havoc. 

Whaddaguy 🤪

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Oh right it’s all about the meme now is it 😄

Is that why you asked me about the bleach & what other misinformation Trump had spread. Whilst also going on about how measles vaccine uptake was up in his first term & that he’s taken his boosters.

You’ve just realised it’s impossible to defend him on this, so you’ve gone back to the meme. Bit of a shocker tonight pal, just enjoy the game x

It was his appointment and these are his policies. That will cause havoc. 

Whaddaguy 🤪

Yep, it’s always been about the meme until you started going on one of your usual  tangents. As I’ve said I’ve  not defended him, I’ve questioned the meme and added a few facts in just because they’re facts. You can defend Bertie and his weird meme all You like, it’s expected, we can’t have The Don doing anything good. 
 

Oh and it was you who brought up bleach  🙄

Edited October 16, 2025 by royal white