Meanwhile in Israel

[kent_white]

7 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I've not done extensive research but am recalling history lessons, Lord Palmerston and the Treaty of Paris which the Russians are breaching.

I think the point I am making is the area has always changed hands between various empires.

Ah OK. Yeah - I think that part is true.

It's never actually been occupied by us Brits mind. 

[Dimron]

53 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Ah OK. Yeah - I think that part is true.

It's never actually been occupied by us Brits mind. 

I probably would support a return of the Ottoman Empire... solve Ukraine and Israel in one hit 🙂î

[Cheese]

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

I probably would support a return of the Ottoman Empire... solve Ukraine and Israel in one hit 🙂î

Where did you serve again?

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

I was interested in this so was doing a bit of reading and apparently this isn't true. We have no claim over Crimea, historic, archaic, legal or otherwise. 

FFS, we would never have had an empire on which the sun never sets with your sort of thinking.

Buck up laddie. Time we were looking to expand like China, Russia and the US are. Low hanging fruit first (Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Andorra, San Marino) then Western Australia.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I watched a documentary about the lend-lease agreement with had with America during/after WW2.

Crikey, was it punitive. 

Moreover, the discussion and details screwed us over and really did hasten the decline of the British Empire, and start America on the road to become a superpower. 

[Dimron]

13 hours ago, Cheese said:

Where did you serve again?

4th Royal Irish Dragoons 😉

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Dimron said:

4th Royal Irish Dragoons 😉

 

“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I watched a documentary about the lend-lease agreement with had with America during/after WW2.

Crikey, was it punitive. 

Moreover, the discussion and details screwed us over and really did hasten the decline of the British Empire, and start America on the road to become a superpower. 

A post war Labour Government used it to prop up financially wasteful policies whilst Germany etc. embarked on a properly managed recovery plan... we squandered the lot!

[Dimron]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer

CHARRRRGE....

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 hours ago, Dimron said:

A post war Labour Government used it to prop up financially wasteful policies whilst Germany etc. embarked on a properly managed recovery plan... we squandered the lot!

To an extent, but we also gave up some strangleholds we had over the Americans on trade. 

We also had to "sell stuff on the cheap" to them.

They performed much like Xi is doing now with Russia. 

Helping to an extent, whilst also screwing them over.

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

To an extent, but we also gave up some strangleholds we had over the Americans on trade. 

We also had to "sell stuff on the cheap" to them.

They performed much like Xi is doing now with Russia. 

Helping to an extent, whilst also screwing them over.

Marshall won the Nobel Peace Prize

 

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Dimron said:

CHARRRRGE....

No doubt Cheese would have been getting white feathers posted to him.

[Bertie]

Meanwhile……..not in the spotlight as much these days but it seems Israel (led by the extremist Smotrich) continues to extend its illegal occupation of land and denial of Palestinian rights in the West Bank. Wicked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl4ne5er5zo

Edited February 14 by Bertie

[royal white]

They're such an odd bunch. 
 

 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

They're such an odd bunch. 
 

 

I'd say bunch of cunts was more accurate.

[Bertie]

10 hours ago, royal white said:

They're such an odd bunch. 
 

 

Mild harassment, but harassment never the less. Thought Matt Lucas handled it really well.

I agree though shouldn’t happen. Tip of the iceberg. There are some horrendous verbal/physical attacks by Palestinians and/or Palestinian supporters committed on Jews the world over.

Do you two guys share similar opinions though when the boot’s on the other foot?  Would you condemn the abuse and violence we’re seeing in the West Bank committed by Israelis against Palestinians trying to live a simple life.

Surely this takes us all to common ground. Condemn the notrights on both sides. Support the innocents on both sides. Seek a solution to bring peace.

(Thought not…..)

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

Mild harassment, but harassment never the less. Thought Matt Lucas handled it really well.

I agree though shouldn’t happen. Tip of the iceberg. There are some horrendous verbal/physical attacks by Palestinians and/or Palestinian supporters committed on Jews the world over.

Do you two guys share similar opinions though when the boot’s on the other foot?  Would you condemn the abuse and violence we’re seeing in the West Bank committed by Israelis against Palestinians trying to live a simple life.

Surely this takes us all to common ground. Condemn the notrights on both sides. Support the innocents on both sides. Seek a solution to bring peace.

(Thought not…..)

This is the underground in London, a bloke going about his everyday life. 
 

Whats going on over there has done for years and will always continue no matter why peace agreements are agreed on, they’re all as bad as one another, keep it over there though and don’t bring it over here. And yes that the same to jews harassing Muslims on the underground, I’m yet to see that though. 

[London Wanderer]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, royal white said:

This is the underground in London, a bloke going about his everyday life. 
 

Whats going on over there has done for years and will always continue no matter why peace agreements are agreed on, they’re all as bad as one another, keep it over there though and don’t bring it over here. And yes that the same to jews harassing Muslims on the underground, I’m yet to see that though. 

Largely yes.

I'm yet here of harassment by Jews to anyone in this country.

Presumably it has happened, but it isn't exactly a regular occurrence. 

Now then, what about those lovely Muslim folks...

[kent_white]

The Lancet Medical Journal have published a study suggests the death toll in Gaza was about 50% higher than the Gaza Health Ministry quoted. 

They put it at 75,000 in the first 16 months of the conflict. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext

[Zico]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

The Lancet Medical Journal have published a study suggests the death toll in Gaza was about 50% higher than the Gaza Health Ministry quoted. 

They put it at 75,000 in the first 16 months of the conflict. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext

To be fair many on here did say you shouldn't believe the numbers that were quoted in terms of death coming out of gaza

Maybe they were right

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

The Lancet Medical Journal have published a study suggests the death toll in Gaza was about 50% higher than the Gaza Health Ministry quoted. 

They put it at 75,000 in the first 16 months of the conflict. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext

The Lancet, one of the world’s oldest and most prestigious medical journals, is frequently described as having a left-of-centre, activist, or progressive editorial stance, particularly in its commentary, editorials, and advocacy for social justice and public health policy.

With this in mind, ignore.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

The Lancet, one of the world’s oldest and most prestigious medical journals, is frequently described as having a left-of-centre, activist, or progressive editorial stance, particularly in its commentary, editorials, and advocacy for social justice and public health policy.

With this in mind, ignore.

It's a peer reviewed medical journal, mate. 

[kent_white]

4 hours ago, Zico said:

To be fair many on here did say you shouldn't believe the numbers that were quoted in terms of death coming out of gaza

Maybe they were right

Very true! 

I didn't give them the credit they were due 😁

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

It's a peer reviewed medical journal, mate. 

Really? I think you need to partake in further investigation.

Apart from eradicating a few remaining cancer cells it's over mate.