Meanwhile in Israel

[little whitt]

if Jimmy Savile 

was still alive 

BBC would have him over there sorting the starving kids out 

[BobyBrno]

I mentioned I was just back from Prague. Approx. 370,000 Ukrainian refugees in CZ. 955,000 in Poland and 1.2 million in Germany. Many more in other countries. Mainly women and children. It’s a pity the Arab world doesn’t help their neighbours like Europe does. 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I mentioned I was just back from Prague. Approx. 370,000 Ukrainian refugees in CZ. 955,000 in Poland and 1.2 million in Germany. Many more in other countries. Mainly women and children. It’s a pity the Arab world doesn’t help their neighbours like Europe does. 

2.3M Palestinians in Jordan

here's why though

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

But Arab countries and many Palestinians also suspect Israel might use this opportunity to force permanent demographic changes to wreck Palestinian demands for statehood in Gaza, the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which was also captured by Israel in 1967.

Arab countries’ fears have only been stoked by the rise under Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of hard-right parties that talk in positive terms about removing Palestinians. Since the Hamas attack, the rhetoric has become less restrained, with some right-wing politicians and media commentators calling for the military to raze Gaza and drive out its inhabitants. One lawmaker said Israel should carry out a “new Nakba” on Gaza.

At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.

Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007, tightly controlling the entry of materials and the passage of civilians back and forth. It also destroyed the network of tunnels under the border that Hamas and other Palestinians used to smuggle goods into Gaza.

With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said.

[BobyBrno]

37 minutes ago, Zico said:

2.3M Palestinians in Jordan

here's why though

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

But Arab countries and many Palestinians also suspect Israel might use this opportunity to force permanent demographic changes to wreck Palestinian demands for statehood in Gaza, the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which was also captured by Israel in 1967.

Arab countries’ fears have only been stoked by the rise under Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of hard-right parties that talk in positive terms about removing Palestinians. Since the Hamas attack, the rhetoric has become less restrained, with some right-wing politicians and media commentators calling for the military to raze Gaza and drive out its inhabitants. One lawmaker said Israel should carry out a “new Nakba” on Gaza.

At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.

Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007, tightly controlling the entry of materials and the passage of civilians back and forth. It also destroyed the network of tunnels under the border that Hamas and other Palestinians used to smuggle goods into Gaza.

With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said.

Think we can add Egypt to Israel and Hamas to the list of people responsible for those starving kids then. Pretty sure the Palestinians in Jordan were there before this conflict. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

May - could - may

 

🙄

He should have been watching parliament earlier.

Official statement said observers on the ground (no more detail as to who they are) report as much as 60% of all aid coming in is being misappropriated by Hamas for its own use.

Presumably these folk are special civil servants, undercover military bods, or maybe independent group, dunno, but that was detailed in the house.

Maybe Hamas are the ones starving the people of Gaza.

I doubt a single news outlet will report it, but we'll see.

Seems little point in keeping sending stuff if most disappears.

[Zico]

43 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Think we can add Egypt to Israel and Hamas to the list of people responsible for those starving kids then. Pretty sure the Palestinians in Jordan were there before this conflict. 

apparently they all started going there in 1948

in case you were wondering why:

The Israeli Defense Force launched "Plan D" in which various Palestinian populations who resided in areas of strategic value would be subject to small scale massacres in an effort to encourage them to leave their places of residence. Approximately 300,000 Palestinians became refugees as a result. 

and yes, you can blame Egypt too for the starving kids if you want

[Not in Crawley]

Not sure if Sen. Chuck Schumer's speech last week in his damning critisim of Netanyahu has been discussed? Was quite the shock given this is the highest ranking Jewish US official and has a long history of supporting the Israeli state. If Schumer has had enough with the current Israeli government, you can bet that is a sign the US politically has.

Basically called him out as trying to peddle out-of-date polices and positions, basically more of a shift in the US to a pro-israel anti-Netanyahu position as Israel's current position is increasingly indefensible unless you have slightly more anti-Muslim feelings.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/15/politics/schumer-israel-speech-analysis/index.html

[BobyBrno]

21 minutes ago, Zico said:

apparently they all started going there in 1948

in case you were wondering why:

The Israeli Defense Force launched "Plan D" in which various Palestinian populations who resided in areas of strategic value would be subject to small scale massacres in an effort to encourage them to leave their places of residence. Approximately 300,000 Palestinians became refugees as a result. 

and yes, you can blame Egypt too for the starving kids if you want

If we are going back that far, if the Arab States hadn’t invaded the Palestinian Territories in 1948, and the resulting defeat, they wouldn’t have been displaced. I think the number was greater than 300,000 by the way. 

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

If we are going back that far, if the Arab States hadn’t invaded the Palestinian Territories in 1948, and the resulting defeat, they wouldn’t have been displaced. I think the number was greater than 300,000 by the way. 

I've no idea on the figure to be honest, was going off this number given by the UN Refugee Agency

there's a whole timeline of events here

https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230520142024/https://www.refworld.org/docid/469f38aa1e.html

who to blame eh!

so many factors, so much history

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

I've no idea on the figure to be honest, was going off this number given by the UN Refugee Agency

there's a whole timeline of events here

https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230520142024/https://www.refworld.org/docid/469f38aa1e.html

who to blame eh!

so many factors, so much history

Of course. And each time you come up with a date in history, you have to go further back to another date to explain the reason for the first date. It’s never ending. That’s why some people like to pick a particular date to justify their prejudices. It’s much simpler that way. 

[Zico]

12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Of course. And each time you come up with a date in history, you have to go further back to another date to explain the reason for the first date. It’s never ending. That’s why some people like to pick a particular date to justify their prejudices. It’s much simpler that way. 

yeah

I'm happy to start at October the 7th and say that the death and destruction that's occured since is down to the deliberate actions of extermist cunts on both sides hoping to wipe the other side out

such is my prejudice to extremist cunts of any flavour

hard to pick a side really

I don't think Egypt fall into the category of extermist cunts, they've just been caught in the cross fire

hard for them to help one side without helping the other

[royal white]

There’s no pleasing some. I guess he isn’t that hungry. 
 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 hours ago, Zico said:

2.3M Palestinians in Jordan

here's why though

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

But Arab countries and many Palestinians also suspect Israel might use this opportunity to force permanent demographic changes to wreck Palestinian demands for statehood in Gaza, the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which was also captured by Israel in 1967.

Arab countries’ fears have only been stoked by the rise under Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of hard-right parties that talk in positive terms about removing Palestinians. Since the Hamas attack, the rhetoric has become less restrained, with some right-wing politicians and media commentators calling for the military to raze Gaza and drive out its inhabitants. One lawmaker said Israel should carry out a “new Nakba” on Gaza.

At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.

Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007, tightly controlling the entry of materials and the passage of civilians back and forth. It also destroyed the network of tunnels under the border that Hamas and other Palestinians used to smuggle goods into Gaza.

With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said.

In other words their Arab brothers can’t deal with it… so it’s down to the Israelis… who then take the wrath of the Arab brothers. 

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

In other words their Arab brothers can’t deal with it… so it’s down to the Israelis… who then take the wrath of the Arab brothers. 

That's one way of looking at it

I read it as Egypt were helping Israel out when they were specifically targeting Hamas, as they have no time for terrorists either 

but now Israel are on the war path and killing all things Palestinian, Egypt aren't willing to deal with the fall out and radical elements that will no doubt be born out of Israel's actions, particularly on their own soil

And yet pro Israel folk claim Egypt are part of the problems right now in Gaza 

Mental 

[BobyBrno]

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

May - could - may

 

🙄

Without a doubt. Nothing is proven & only time will tell.

 They’ve been to shown break international laws before though. Which is why folk are suspicious they’re at it again.

 Do you think they’ve got the right approach in Gaza & the West Bank?

[kent_white]

There's 2.5 million people in Gaza. 

Take out the estimated 30,000 Hamas fighters from that number and there's 2,470,000 potentially wanting to cross the border into Egypt.

[BobyBrno]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's 2.5 million people in Gaza. 

Take out the estimated 30,000 Hamas fighters from that number and there's 2,470,000 potentially wanting to cross the border into Egypt.

That’s a similar number to the Ukrainians who have found shelter in Europe. Egypt is just the crossing. The gateway to the whole of the Middle East. It’s not just pro Israeli folk who are questioning the reluctance of Egypt.

 

edit. Seems there are over 6 million Ukrainian refugees.

 

Edited March 19 by BobyBrno

[mickbrown]

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

That’s a similar number to the Ukrainians who have found shelter in Europe. Egypt is just the crossing. The gateway to the whole of the Middle East. It’s not just pro Israeli folk who are questioning the reluctance of Egypt.

 

edit. Seems there are over 6 million Ukrainian refugees.

 

Mary is following 5 people and has 10 followers  

I question the impact of her tweet  😁

 

 

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Mary is following 5 people and has 10 followers  

I question the impact of her tweet  😁

 

 

I used it as an example. There are many others.

 

[Zico]

33 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's 2.5 million people in Gaza. 

Take out the estimated 30,000 Hamas fighters from that number and there's 2,470,000 potentially wanting to cross the border into Egypt.

and they will probably have nowhere to go back to when it's all over because it's either rubble or Israelis live there and/or are in charge

and they would probably be very angry about that too for the foresesable future

more than likely Ukrainians will have somewhere not controlled by Russia to go back to, what with it being so big, somewhere they could go back to and set afresh, somewhere where there's no sign of Russia

they have legitimate reasons at least, even if it looks shite from the outside, what with that part of the world being the ticking time bomb that it is

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

and they will probably have nowhere to go back to when it's all over because it's either rubble or Israelis live there and/or are in charge

and they would probably be very angry about that too for the foresesable future

more than likely Ukrainians will have somewhere not controlled by Russia to go back to, what with it being so big, somewhere they could go back to and set afresh, somewhere not where there's no sign of Russia

they have legitimate reasons at least, even if it looks shite from the outside, what with that part of the world being the ticking time bomb that it is

You could look at Syria as a similar example. It’s highly unlikely Syrians will be returning there. 
 

14 million have left. 

[Zico]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

You could look at Syria as a similar example. It’s highly unlikely Syrians will be returning there. 
 

14 million have left. 

just been having a look, 13M displaced, half have left (3M to Turkey), half are still in Syria

the main difference to me looks to be that it's Syrian locals V Syrian government, a civil war, one which only started 13 years again

and turkey aren't opening themselves up to radicals they've spent a good while trying to get rid of themselves, maybe they are, but it's civil war, not two relgions who hate each other

so in some ways the same, in others totally different

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, Zico said:

just been having a look, 13M displaced, half have left (3M to Turkey), half are still in Syria

the main difference to me looks to be that it's Syrian locals V Syrian government, a civil war, one which only started 13 years again

and turkey aren't opening themselves up to radicals they've spent a good while trying to get rid of themselves, maybe they are, but it's civil war, not two relgions who hate each other

so in some ways the same, in others totally different

Yes my bad on the figures. 

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes my bad on the figures. 

It's still a lot though

And loads ended up in an earthquake

To think they'd have been better off staying put 

Shite that