Brand Evatt

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Stig said:

Worryingly Evatt thinks the same as Cheese in the BEN today:

"But there wasn’t a great deal wrong with Plan A. I think if we didn’t get the injuries we got in the second half of last season we’re promoted. We were still one game away and we didn’t perform at Wembley."

It's just such a weak excuse for me.

Anyway the bit that's more alarming is now he seems to be suggesting we just stick with last season's formation and style. That's fine 75% of the time. It's the other 25% when we play a decent team or high pressure game and the opposition press us when we need a different way of playing.

So instead of working on an effective plan B for this season Evatt spent the summer changing plan A, which we've now scrapped, and don't have a plan B. 

We're right though.

[gonzo]

35 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Which games did we start with those 2 up front?

Finished plenty cocker. Hardly the formula for breaking teams down.

Sorry to besmirch your Icelandic girl haired hero

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

We're right though.

Except that last seasons way of playing had been found out by many teams and we still don’t have a suitable alternative.

[Dr. Feelgood]

8 minutes ago, Stig said:

"But there wasn’t a great deal wrong with Plan A. I think if we didn’t get the injuries we got in the second half of last season we’re promoted. We were still one game away and we didn’t perform at Wembley."

It's just such a weak excuse for me.

Anyway the bit that's more alarming is now he seems to be suggesting we just stick with last season's formation and style. That's fine 75% of the time. It's the other 25% when we play a decent team or high pressure game and the opposition press us when we need a different way of playing.

So instead of working on an effective plan B for this season Evatt spent the summer changing plan A, which we've now scrapped, and don't have a plan B. 

So his soul-searching has convinced him that he was right all along. If he'd just not been forced to doubt himself we'd be top of the pile with 6 from 6.

Jesus-H, he's a stubborn fckr.

Cue losses to the physical clubs, the clubs who high press ... & Wigan. If he reverts to full on tippy-tappy I may need to buy a gun.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Except that last seasons way of playing had been found out by many teams and we still don’t have a suitable alternative.

Just opinions innit. I reckon we'd have gone up without the spine of our team being sidelined by injuries.

[frank_spencer]

We were top of the table before those injuries.

It's more likely a combination of teams figuring out plans a and injuries leaving us without the players to realistically change anything.

[Whitesince63]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Nobody is looking for convenient excuses.

Cheese said injuries stopped us going up. 

Which they did. Along with many other things like. But they did.

No sorry, there hasn’t been a season we haven’t had injuries but it didn’t stop us doing well. Just face facts, Evatt blew it last year nobody else.

[Cheese]

23 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

No sorry, there hasn’t been a season we haven’t had injuries but it didn’t stop us doing well. Just face facts, Evatt blew it last year nobody else.

Name a season we've had our first choice goalkeeper, first choice centre back, and first choice striker all injured at the same time.

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

No sorry, there hasn’t been a season we haven’t had injuries but it didn’t stop us doing well. Just face facts, Evatt blew it last year nobody else.

Did Evatt miss a host of chances like Bod did?

Evatt fucked it big style but let's not pretend there weren't a whole host of other factors that blew it too.

 

[radcliffe white]

But we dropped points with fit regulars playing, personally injuries was further down the list

poor game management & use of substitutions

missing Absolute sitters

Being sussed out and managed out of games

Poor disciplinary record 

 

Edited September 23, 2024 by radcliffe white

[1969]

1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

So his soul-searching has convinced him that he was right all along. If he'd just not been forced to doubt himself we'd be top of the pile with 6 from 6.

Jesus-H, he's a stubborn fckr.

Cue losses to the physical clubs, the clubs who high press ... & Wigan. If he reverts to full on tippy-tappy I may need to buy a gun.

Don't think/hope we'll see as much tippy tappy shite this season, think we'll go long more often than last season but if we revert back IE will soon have the fans on his back 

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

Worryingly Evatt thinks the same as Cheese in the BEN today:

"But there wasn’t a great deal wrong with Plan A. I think if we didn’t get the injuries we got in the second half of last season we’re promoted. We were still one game away and we didn’t perform at Wembley."

It's just such a weak excuse for me.

Anyway the bit that's more alarming is now he seems to be suggesting we just stick with last season's formation and style. That's fine 75% of the time. It's the other 25% when we play a decent team or high pressure game and the opposition press us when we need a different way of playing.

So instead of working on an effective plan B for this season Evatt spent the summer changing plan A, which we've now scrapped, and don't have a plan B. 

That's how its looking isn't it.  I think the thought that we had gone backwards in the first few games freaked out IE (and all of us), in that we could no longer even take top 8/play off push as a guaranteed minimum.  The formation tinkering together with squad changes showed that yes we did have plenty to be grateful for last season in terms of a decent season, and it could have been worse. So back to plan A to give us a chance of challenging for play offs.  I don't think "promotion" is now the stand out target like it was last season, we've taken a step back from that and the aim has been downgraded to getting in the play offs, probably similar to the aims of Posh and Barnsley - to have a fighting chance rather than to be a stand out in the division.  I'll still enjoy the season and there will hopefully be some more games like Saturday but while IE is here I've come to terms with the fact that we are a L1 team.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, jmjhb said:

For me, it was the draws against Exeter, Stevenage, Pompey at home, Shrewsbury and Peterborough that put paid to it. 

Hard to list those draws and leave out the home defeats to Wigan, Carlisle, Bristol Rovers and the loss at Reading from a winning position.  Draws at home to Pompey and away at Peterboro were decent results in isolation.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Finished plenty cocker. Hardly the formula for breaking teams down.

Sorry to besmirch your Icelandic girl haired hero

Cocker, are you 85? 😀 

I'm always happy for different opinions to be debated on here (unlike some).  But I don't get how you completely disrespect a good BWFC servant like him.  He's been a part of the entertaining football and goals we've seen here under IE last 3 years.  I'd rather he wasn't starting as many games as he did last year and he was just doing last 30 minutes etc, but you talk about him like he was 45, couldn't run or control a ball.  I wonder if you were even watching at times, I and folk sat round me weren't imagining him controlling a ball, holding players off and setting off moves.  Like every other striker never has a bad game.  I'm still waiting for McAtee to show half what he showed, but I don't hear you slagging him off, its all a bit odd TBH.

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

Worryingly Evatt thinks the same as Cheese in the BEN today:

"But there wasn’t a great deal wrong with Plan A. I think if we didn’t get the injuries we got in the second half of last season we’re promoted. We were still one game away and we didn’t perform at Wembley."

It's just such a weak excuse for me.

Anyway the bit that's more alarming is now he seems to be suggesting we just stick with last season's formation and style. That's fine 75% of the time. It's the other 25% when we play a decent team or high pressure game and the opposition press us when we need a different way of playing.

So instead of working on an effective plan B for this season Evatt spent the summer changing plan A, which we've now scrapped, and don't have a plan B. 

Pompey had already lost Alex Robertson for the season in Dec, after Regan Poole also for season in Nov. Then, in the first week of Feb, they lost Joe Morrell, Tom McIntyre (only signed in the window) and Terry Devlin all for at least three months. They coped better and found ways to win matches, whoever they put on the park. 

I also saw Evatt's comments, so the little tweak that was plan A2.0, not plan B, was too much, so back to plan A and nothing else till at least January. He'd already fessed up when he was wailing about criticism last week that 'we can't change to go long because we haven't the physicality as we've only recruited to be technical'. 

Saturday was good and very welcome, much better energy and tempo, but nothing to get too carried away by till we see that it wasn't just another of the flat track bully efforts of last season against vulnerable opponents who let us play how we want.

[gonzo]

55 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Cocker, are you 85? 😀 

I'm always happy for different opinions to be debated on here (unlike some).  But I don't get how you completely disrespect a good BWFC servant like him.  He's been a part of the entertaining football and goals we've seen here under IE last 3 years.  I'd rather he wasn't starting as many games as he did last year and he was just doing last 30 minutes etc, but you talk about him like he was 45, couldn't run or control a ball.  I wonder if you were even watching at times, I and folk sat round me weren't imagining him controlling a ball, holding players off and setting off moves.  Like every other striker never has a bad game.  I'm still waiting for McAtee to show half what he showed, but I don't hear you slagging him off, its all a bit odd TBH.

He's not going to shag you mate

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Finished plenty cocker. Hardly the formula for breaking teams down.

Sorry to besmirch your Icelandic girl haired hero

Besmirch is such a fantastic and understanding used word! 

The first person I ever heard use it was William Regal in the WWF and it's been part of my lexicon ever since! 🤣

[Johnnyrotten]

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He's not going to shag you mate

Blimey I've not heard that line from you for weeks, never fails to cause hilarity.

Always happy to discuss Wanderers players because we all see them differently and have players we like or dislike, no problem you don't rate him. 

Or just throw in disrespectful snide comments, whatever floats your boat.

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Besmirch is such a fantastic and understanding used word! 

The first person I ever heard use it was William Regal in the WWF and it's been part of my lexicon ever since! 🤣

Billy Regal is my hero!

His autobiography is a cracker too.

[ZiggyStardust]

8 hours ago, gonzo said:

Did our injury list contribute to us not getting promotion?

Yes or No

If all 24 teams in the division had been able to play their strongest team (suspensions excepted) every game, would we have got promoted ?

Yes or No ?

Unless the answer is Yes, then you cannot blame injuries.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

If all 24 teams in the division had been able to play their strongest team (suspensions excepted) every game, would we have got promoted ?

Yes or No ?

Unless the answer is Yes, then you cannot blame injuries.

Yes. Prove me wrong.

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

If all 24 teams in the division had been able to play their strongest team (suspensions excepted) every game, would we have got promoted ?

Yes or No ?

Unless the answer is Yes, then you cannot blame injuries.

if you think the answer is no, then we did pretty well coming third?

and if you think the answer is yes, then we can put it down to injuries

id do one of those shrugs i'm confused things but ive no idea how 

 

 

[masi 51]

12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Yes. Prove me wrong.

No

 

Proof we play Crawley Saturday instead of Burnley

Every August we start with 23 players the same as everybody else. Football is a squad game and not a best 11

Our squad was simply not good enough last season

[Casino]

11 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

No

 

Proof we play Crawley Saturday instead of Burnley

Every August we start with 23 players the same as everybody else. Football is a squad game and not a best 11

Our squad was simply not good enough last season

Youre saying what cheese is saying, ffs

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

No

Proof we play Crawley Saturday instead of Burnley

Every August we start with 23 players the same as everybody else. Football is a squad game and not a best 11

Our squad was simply not good enough last season

Missing the point entirely. Never mind.