Meanwhile In England

[Duck Egg]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

You mean when a couple of thousand a year were making that crossing? Jeeez I wonder what changed that made those crossings rise to approx 4k a month 

Any ideas? 

I'm sure it increased because word got round that they'd be put up in a travel lodge if they survived the crossing.

The numbers dropped temporarily when we started painting over children's murals. 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I'm sure it increased because word got round that they'd be put up in a travel lodge if they survived the crossing.

The numbers dropped temporarily when we started painting over children's murals. 

 

See, you can be right at times. 

 

 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yes but climate change 🙄

that's just going to make the situation "worse"

whoever is in charge really needs to get this sorted asap to a satisfactory level

because this is the tip of the iceberg i reckon if they don't

[London Wanderer]

44 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Yep.  Before the widespread use of hotels, many were housed in some of the worst housing you can imagine.  Places in Manchester and Liverpool that were overrun with cockroaches and mice.  They couldn't work and got £39 a week. Many had risked their lives crossing one of the busiest and coldest stretches of water in the inhabited world.

The idea that making the place less appealing would act as a deterrent is for the birds.

Precisely 

[Sweep]

59 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Yep.  Before the widespread use of hotels, many were housed in some of the worst housing you can imagine.  Places in Manchester and Liverpool that were overrun with cockroaches and mice.  They couldn't work and got £39 a week. Many had risked their lives crossing one of the busiest and coldest stretches of water in the inhabited world.

The idea that making the place less appealing would act as a deterrent is for the birds.

Already proven, we're housing loads of them in places like Hartlepool and Blackpool, and yet they still come

[Whitestar]

£500 in credit for threatening to disrupt a flight.

 

Next time you lads feel like acting the goat on an easyJet flight to Málaga ask what they're prepared to offer,  Don't accept less than a monkey or they'll start offering less.

[London Wanderer]

57 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s not, you don’t have a choice if you want to be in prison or not. Same as folk working on rigs or on some military establishments, they’re confined to barracks/living quarters. like the asylum seekers it’s a choice, if you don’t want it, don’t go for it. 

 

Im Calling you naive because you’re offering the same solution that has already failed. You’ve no idea that it won’t stop people coming. Wasn’t the idea that Britain being tough on immigrants (Brexit) the reason immigration fell and many immigrants already here returned home? This is applying the same logic. 
 

You really don’t believe the ironic comment that the numbers are what they are because we started using hotels do you ?

 And you’re calling me naive 😄

I didn’t just suggest targeting the boats directly. My main suggestion is looking at the Refugee Convention. But I also don’t think we should just stop targeting the boats. We don’t know if it won’t work, as the French stopped cooperating. Do you think we should just give up on the boats & make more barracks available?

 There is no evidence that’ll stop them coming. You’ve no idea that it will work either. 

 And Brexit is an odd example to back up your barracks deterrent. Brexit stopped freedom of movement but then made the problem of boats worse.

But yes, stopping freedom of movement will reduce immigrants from Europe. So why not focus primarily on re-evaluating the Refugee Convention , rather than wasting billions on a barracks deterrent that likely won’t deter anyone. 

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You really don’t believe the ironic comment that the numbers are what they are because we started using hotels do you ?

 And you’re calling me naive 😄

I didn’t just suggest targeting the boats directly. My main suggestion is looking at the Refugee Convention. But I also don’t think we should just stop targeting the boats. We don’t know if it won’t work, as the French stopped cooperating. Do you think we should just give up on the boats & make more barracks available?

 There is no evidence that’ll stop them coming. You’ve no idea that it will work either. 

 And Brexit is an odd example to back up your barracks deterrent. Brexit stopped freedom of movement but then made the problem of boats worse.

But yes, stopping freedom of movement will reduce immigrants from Europe. So why not focus primarily on re-evaluating the Refugee Convention , rather than wasting billions on a barracks deterrent that likely won’t deter anyone. 

Must just be a massive coincidence then hey, stop using mice infested shit holes in Liverpool and start using 3/4 star hotels with 3 meals a day and all of a sudden the numbers go up. Weird that.

Would you rather them stay in hotels instead of Barracks? 

As I’ve said on the other thread “we” can’t do anything about the boats apart from pay millions to France just for them to take the piss, which was on the cards from the start. 

 

Would you be happy with adopting a similar stance to Hungary and Poland? 

[deeane Koontz]

 

[royal white]

We are just a laughing stock aren’t we. no wonder folk want to come here 
 

 

[Zico]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

We are just a laughing stock aren’t we. no wonder folk want to come here 
 

 

it's a shame more won't take £500 to fuck off quietly

[London Wanderer]

46 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

Would you rather them stay in hotels instead of Barracks? 

 

No

 have you read anything I’ve written 😂😂

 you’re on one today. 
 

Knock yourself out,

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
 

“In general, academic research finds that small variations in policy between countries are not the most important factor influencing how many people claim asylum in destination countries. Global developments, such as conflict and instability in countries of origin, appear to be more important.

One policy factor that may have influencedpeople’s decision to cross the Channel is that the UK is no longer part of the Dublin system. Before Brexit, this allowed for some asylum seekers to be returned to their EU country of first arrival, as well as information sharing on asylum applications made in other member states. In interviews, migrants in Northern France often cite the departure from Dublin as a reason for wanting to seek asylum in the UK, particularly if they had already been refused protection in the EU.”

How welcoming we are isn’t irrelevant. But it really is way down the pecking order if why people come. And Royal’s highly expensive military barracks repurposing won’t stop the boats. 

Re-evaluating the Refugee Convention has to be the best option. And I never thought I’d hear myself say that 😃

Edited October 29, 2025 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

No

 have you read anything I’ve written 😂😂

 you’re on one today. 
 

Knock yourself out,

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/
 

“In general, academic research finds that small variations in policy between countries are not the most important factor influencing how many people claim asylum in destination countries. Global developments, such as conflict and instability in countries of origin, appear to be more important.”

How welcoming we are isn’t irrelevant. But it really is way down the pecking order if why people come. And Royal’s highly expensive military barracks repurposing won’t stop the boats. 

Re-evaluating the Refugee Convention has to be the best option. And I never thought I’d hear myself say that 😃

So where do you want them to stay? Labour have said they’re closing hotels. It’s leaving 2 options barracks or HMOs 

 

How do we know it’s irrelevant  if we’ve  not tried it? figures show that at the time the shitter accom was available it attracted fewer migrants. And let’s not try to be smart hey, you’ve been suggesting the French slash the boats, they’ve already been doing that yet we’ve  seen an increase in crossings “smash the gangs” 🙄

 

So you would be happy with Hungary and polands stance? As re-evaluating the refugee convention might result in nothing being done. 

[Bertie]

Have we had this one posted yet? Out of control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Have we had this one posted yet? Out of control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypkd57n97o

These things happen. It’s just a small snippet in time 🙄

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

So where do you want them to stay? Labour have said they’re closing hotels. It’s leaving 2 options barracks or HMOs 

 

How do we know it’s irrelevant  if we’ve  not tried it? figures show that at the time the shitter accom was available it attracted fewer migrants. And let’s not try to be smart hey, you’ve been suggesting the French slash the boats, they’ve already been doing that yet we’ve  seen an increase in crossings “smash the gangs” 🙄

 

So you would be happy with Hungary and polands stance? As re-evaluating the refugee convention might result in nothing being done. 

We could join with other nations in re-evaluating it yes. I think things might be moving in that direction. Though Hungary & Poland are in a running battle with the EU over policy and accepting their quotas . But different to us. 

I suggested an idea the other day when I posted those photos on using hosts.

There’s a place for some barracks, but they’re an expensive option if we only go for that no ? 
 

More from that study:

“Another contributing factor has been the expansion of smuggling operations across the Channel. Smuggling groups have become larger and increasingly professionalised in recent years and were able to capitalise on their initial experience as enforcement measures were progressively tightened”

Not sure we should give up on going after the gangs 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

We could join with other nations in re-evaluating it yes. I think things might be moving in that direction. Though Hungary & Poland are in a running battle with the EU over policy and accepting their quotas . But different to us. 

I suggested an idea the other day when I posted those photos on using hosts.

There’s a place for some barracks, but they’re an expensive option if we only go for that no ? 
 

More from that study:

“Another contributing factor has been the expansion of smuggling operations across the Channel. Smuggling groups have become larger and increasingly professionalised in recent years and were able to capitalise on their initial experience as enforcement measures were progressively tightened”

Not sure we should give up on going after the gangs 

Good job we’re not in the EU. 
 

They will Always go after the gangs like they do with drug gangs. However there will always be someone ready to fill the spot. It looks good for the cameras but in reality is it going much? 
 

So why are Labour planning on using barracks then if it’s costing more? They have said they will be closing all hotels whilst at the same time seeing more come over, if it’s not as a deterrent then why are they doing it? It makes absolute no sense which isn’t surprising coming from this lot. 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Good job we’re not in the EU. 
 

They will Always go after the gangs like they do with drug gangs. However there will always be someone ready to fill the spot. It looks good for the cameras but in reality is it going much? 
 

So why are Labour planning on using barracks then if it’s costing more? They have said they will be closing all hotels whilst at the same time seeing more come over, if it’s not as a deterrent then why are they doing it? It makes absolute no sense which isn’t surprising coming from this lot. 

It’s a shit show isn’t it

 Leaving the EU has also led to increased boat crossings. Personally I don’t think the asylum quotas issue outweighs the economic damage it has caused. Do you ? 

[London Wanderer]

29 minutes ago, royal white said:

These things happen. It’s just a small snippet in time 🙄

Yes because that’s what I was saying 😂

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Good job we’re not in the EU. 
 

They will Always go after the gangs like they do with drug gangs. However there will always be someone ready to fill the spot. It looks good for the cameras but in reality is it going much? 
 

So why are Labour planning on using barracks then if it’s costing more? They have said they will be closing all hotels whilst at the same time seeing more come over, if it’s not as a deterrent then why are they doing it? It makes absolute no sense which isn’t surprising coming from this lot. 

because they think it's what the public wants to hear. 

Also, imagine living near those barracks, bad enough being next to an HMO (unless you're @Cheese, of course, and then of course you'd say it's perfectly fine) imagine having over 1000 of them milling around, barely a mile from your house. Get ready for some proper NIMBY protests and challenges, that will no doubt delay it ever happening anyway 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

because they think it's what the public wants to hear. 

Also, imagine living near those barracks, bad enough being next to an HMO (unless you're @Cheese, of course, and then of course you'd say it's perfectly fine) imagine having over 1000 of them milling around, barely a mile from your house. Get ready for some proper NIMBY protests and challenges, that will no doubt delay it ever happening anyway 

The only way I can see it working is if they keep them on the camp. There’s no reason for them to be milling around towns 

[little whitt]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

because they think it's what the public wants to hear. 

Also, imagine living near those barracks, bad enough being next to an HMO (unless you're @Cheese, of course, and then of course you'd say it's perfectly fine) imagine having over 1000 of them milling around, barely a mile from your house. Get ready for some proper NIMBY protests and challenges, that will no doubt delay it ever happening anyway 

one up in 

Inverness 

they will soon want to fuck off Home 

stuck up there 

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

The only way I can see it working is if they keep them on the camp. There’s no reason for them to be milling around towns 

I agree, no chance they do that though surely. These barracks aren't full on prisons (yet) and I doubt they can be converted easily into out and out detention centers that are policed 24 hours a day. It's just like these Digital ID cards, another Government scheme, brought about by the "Reform threat" - it'll not happen, and if it does, it'll be a half arsed effort

[Spider]

4 hours ago, Whitestar said:

£500 in credit for threatening to disrupt a flight.

 

Next time you lads feel like acting the goat on an easyJet flight to Málaga ask what they're prepared to offer,  Don't accept less than a monkey or they'll start offering less.

Bear in mind your return journey will have to be via dinghy.

Ill just stay quiet thanks

[kent_white]

4 hours ago, Whitestar said:

£500 in credit for threatening to disrupt a flight.

 

Next time you lads feel like acting the goat on an easyJet flight to Málaga ask what they're prepared to offer,  Don't accept less than a monkey or they'll start offering less.

I'll be honest - in the grand scheme of things, I think it's an irrelevance. 

It's annoying. But irrelevant.