Meanwhile In England

[royal white]

7 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

People have literally been talking about the story across on the other thread & relating it to 'political points'. What's your problem ya wetwipe. 

I've nothing needs proving. Just showing that violence exists across society, across different groups, and that Muslims fighting outside Mosques don't hold a fkcn monopoly on it. Still nobody even knows if the lads in that video came from the Mosque. 

Nothing to fear from me major  The classroom is a far cry from this place. I'd love to see you try to teach a class of 33 though. You'd have all the Muslims sitting in the naughty corner. 

Must have just been a massive coincidence hey. It’s usually Brits causing trouble around mosques ain’t it 🙄

[Bertie]

Why are some folks obsessed with which religious group may have perpetrated a crime outside a particular place of worship? Why does this matter?  Crime is crime. Condemn it. Just see the offenders (and not their skin colour or appearance) and prosecute them. Stop using as an excuse to divide.

In other news just seen this reported this morning. Men rape woman in churchyard. What conclusions does anyone want to jump to here? 🙄. Just find and prosecute the scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly622k0jm4o

Edited September 29, 2025 by Bertie

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Must have just been a massive coincidence hey. It’s usually Brits causing trouble around mosques ain’t it 🙄

They might be British

[royal white]

36 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Why are some folks obsessed with which religious group may have perpetrated a crime outside a particular place of worship? Why does this matter?  Crime is crime. Condemn it. Just see the offenders (and not their skin colour or appearance) and prosecute them. Stop using as an excuse to divide.

In other news just seen this reported this morning. Men rape woman in churchyard. What conclusions does anyone want to jump to here? 🙄. Just find and prosecute the scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly622k0jm4o

Shouldn’t be hard should it. Those extra police that zico mentioned can be stationed outside mosques, it would make perfect sense wouldn’t it. 

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

Must have just been a massive coincidence hey. It’s usually Brits causing trouble around mosques ain’t it 🙄

Probably 
 

Not at all. If you look back you’ll see I used the word occasionally & also criticised some of the more extremist elements of Islam too. 

I really don’t think we’ve got a problem of violence outside mosques, & two plucked stories from the internet isn’t going to change that. Just another another excuse to blame Muslims. 
 

[London Wanderer]

Police stationed outside mosques 😂

Excellent

[royal white]

23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Police stationed outside mosques 😂

Excellent

Hot spots for violence, we see them at footy grounds, pubs, even schools. Makes sense hey. 

[gonzo]

They could at least chuck a sport in to the middle of all this gang hooliganism.

Kabaddi or summet.

Mob up early and get down their main mosque ready to steam the doors before the match.

[London Wanderer]

55 minutes ago, royal white said:

Hot spots for violence

Hotspots for violence ? Are they fuck 😆 All of two incidents this year you’ve been able to find so far this year, & an incident that we don’t even know is connected to the mosque  …

It’s just the same as the footy innit 😂

What an utter waste of police resources that would be. Would do nothing to reduce gang violence. 

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Hotspots for violence ? Are they fuck 😆 All of two incidents this year you’ve been able to find so far this year, & an incident that we don’t even know is connected to the mosque  …

It’s just the same as the footy innit 😂

What an utter waste of police resources that would be. Would do nothing to reduce gang violence. 

The 2 “incidents” I posted were 2 murders. There’s plenty more incidents if you want to have a look, but I guess with someone who believes  the only incidents are some British blokes attacking mosques or the odd dodgy iman it doesn’t really suit does it. 

[burnden]

Wasn't sure where to put this 

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, burnden said:

Wasn't sure where to put this 

 

It’s bonkers. 100s of thousands a year no doubt. No one can possibly try justifying this, though some might throw a bit of a wobbler because of who’s saying it. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

The 2 “incidents” I posted were 2 murders. There’s plenty more incidents if you want to have a look, but I guess with someone who believes  the only incidents are some British blokes attacking mosques or the odd dodgy iman it doesn’t really suit does it. 

Where the hell did I say the only incidents are some British blokes attacking mosques?

It doesn’t help your cause when you go jumping to conclusions 

I said it was an issue. And it is - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01419870.2025.2484418?af=R

Thats not me denying there’s other isolated incidents of gang violence. I’m just questioning your massive overreaction to those incidents. And to use it as excuse to criticise Islam in comparison to other religions. 

They clearly aren’t ’hotbeds of violence’ and we don’t need to start policing mosques ffs. And unless you’ve got anything other than a few isolated cases from the depths of google, then your evidence is nothing more than anecdotal. 

[London Wanderer]

13 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Who was in charge 5 years ago 🤔 

Who do you think ? 🤔 did the fella in charge decide to cut 3/4s of the city’s police stations? 
 

If our board said to Schuey that they’re taking 75% of his defence. Who would you blame for poor results in the aftermath ?And if they said he couldn’t get replacements in would it still be his fault ?

Fwiw I think Khan deserves some criticism. But to ignore the massive elephant in the room here & only blame him is bonkers. 

[royal white]

17 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Where the hell did I say the only incidents are some British blokes attacking mosques?

It doesn’t help your cause when you go jumping to conclusions 

I said it was an issue. And it is - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01419870.2025.2484418?af=R

Thats not me denying there’s other isolated incidents of gang violence. I’m just questioning your massive overreaction to those incidents. And to use it as excuse to criticise Islam in comparison to other religions. 

They clearly aren’t ’hotbeds of violence’ and we don’t need to start policing mosques ffs. And unless you’ve got anything other than a few isolated cases from the depths of google, then your evidence is nothing more than anecdotal. 

“From the depths of Google” and then posts a link from 2010 and 2015 😂😂

As for the only incidents, you said you know of British men occasionally attacking  mosques and some dodgy preachers. Just totally ignoring the couple of murders  this year like 🤦🏻🤦🏻

Cyanagogues have been policed in the past, as have schools, any particular reason mosques shouldn’t be? 

[Cheese]

"Cyanagogues"  😂

[miamiwhite]

38 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Who do you think ? 🤔 did the fella in charge decide to cut 3/4s of the city’s police stations? 
 

If our board said to Schuey that they’re taking 75% of his defence. Who would you blame for poor results in the aftermath ?And if they said he couldn’t get replacements in would it still be his fault ?

Fwiw I think Khan deserves some criticism. But to ignore the massive elephant in the room here & only blame him is bonkers. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/met-police-cuts-london-crime-sadiq-khan-b1220520.html

[miamiwhite]

14 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

The stats keep rising, apart from when they’re falling.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/violent-crime-plunges-london-homicide-rate-b1247078.html

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5qg3yn15wo

Quite good cherry picking 🍒 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5qg3yn15wo

Quite good cherry picking 🍒 

Total Crime across London is up on last year 🤷🏻

[miamiwhite]

23 minutes ago, royal white said:

Total Crime across London is up on last year 🤷🏻

Some shocking figures on the bottom section of that report

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Stats eh.

Are there any figures as to the number of crimes not reported, as people don't feel anything will be done?

Of course not, but anecdotally there are numerous examples.

And that's when the police actually bother to log them and not lose them.

Mind you, they're very busy chasing non crime hate incidents, and going after social media posters.

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Stats eh.

Are there any figures as to the number of crimes not reported, as people don't feel anything will be done?

Of course not, but anecdotally there are numerous examples.

And that's when the police actually bother to log them and not lose them.

Mind you, they're very busy chasing non crime hate incidents, and going after social media posters.

Puddled, brainwashed nonsense.

[bolty58]

Defenders already gathering.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/met-police-cuts-london-crime-sadiq-khan-b1220520.html

 

“London needs a Mayor who will stand up to his own party when we need him to. 

One who will put safety over spin and fight tooth and nail for the city he represents. Not one who stays silent as the party he supports hammers it to save a few quid.”

Now that’s a fair article mate. Thanks for sharing. Some good points in there. 
 

As I said, he isn’t immune to criticism & I can see why some blame lies with him. But no discussion about him shouldn’t include the huge cuts made to policing. That kind of damage takes decades to recover from. 

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

“From the depths of Google” and then posts a link from 2010 and 2015 😂😂

As for the only incidents, you said you know of British men occasionally attacking  mosques and some dodgy preachers. Just totally ignoring the couple of murders  this year like 🤦🏻🤦🏻

Cyanagogues have been policed in the past, as have schools, any particular reason mosques shouldn’t be? 

Plenty more from recently mate. We all saw what happened last summer. Terror attacks against mosques foiled recently as well. It’s an issue.

 I’m ignoring nothing. Those are the two biggest issues you see regarding mosques.  What you’re describing are isolated incidents which might not even have anything to do with the mosques.

They don’t need policing because they’re not hotbeds of violence. Comparing them to the footy is fuckin ludicrous mate 😂🥴

It would be a waste of taxpayers money & wouldn’t help prevent gang violence. But I’ve said this.