Tommy Robinson

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

Some of the footage from round Waterloo is gruesome, that poor bloke whose eye was fucked.....not sure if you've seen that one ? Totally on his own and knocked all over by a mob......Really nasty. After they did that...they went for him again....a mob of about 30 stamping all over him before the police arrived.

I've seen that. Grim! 😞

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Very true mate.......I'm bemused how quick certain folk pull up twitter links but say absolutely fuck all when the boot is on the other foot......like I say, I've got all the time now for their responses, and many links to dispel their myths re yesterday 

Out of the 100 hundred arrested.....anyone care to guess the % from the football lads etc ? 

They'll soon quieten down when they know the actual %

Steady on lads - 'left wing bullies' - on wanderersway? Never. And why can't someone criticise the far-right yesterday without having to constantly criticise the other side simultaneously -especially if I've already done so. I'm on a football forum - hardly speaking for the govn or writing a newspaper article.

I'll be the first to admit I've got my biases on this. I was kicked the fuck out of by some EDL cunts in Manchester in my late teens. I wasn't even on the counter demo, just making my way back from work, but they were adamant they had seen me there and that I was a 'paki lover'. So I've always had a hatred for the kind of racist scum we saw on the streets yesterday. I've tried to open up & see past it as I recognise that the emotion of that event could get in the way and skew the reality of whats going on. But I've looked into the many of the groups who were organising across the country and you really don't have to look far to see the racist undertones. Their not Nazi's, they ain't fascist - but they're still racists and clearly get triggered by the BLM movement - irrespective of whether they behaved nicely on the day or not. Seems like Manchester is one of the only places where they actually did what said they would. I doubt the paras would see to eye to eye with a perptually offended snowflake like myself - but fair play to them. 

Couldn't give a shit how many were arrested from each side in London and which side was worse. The reality is most of those out causing shit and behaving like thugs in London would have been youths who don't represent the BLM movement.  Whereas the narrative on here seems to be lefty thugs vs the far-right yesterday. I'm just not sure that adds up. But will happily be corrected if I'm wrong. 
 

[DazBob]

"Football lads".

Fucking hell.

[Escobarp]

Repeatedly asked to condemn the actions of people from the alleged right wing yesterday Yet you ask why it’s appropriate when it’s done in reverse ? 
 

anyway sorry To hear about your troubles back then. That shouldn’t happen to anyone at anytime. Cretins and thugs on both side of the fence. 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

You've missed the point. It wasn't a situation where a crime was being committed against a person.

You've missed a point, a very big one at that, the police are there to police, prevent crime, not to decide which crimes are worthy of their efforts nor are they there to dance on minority pride marches or to take the knee. They are meant to be impartial, to serve people of all race, age or sexual preference & they are there to uphold the law no matter who is breaking it. 

[London Wanderer]

52 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Repeatedly asked to condemn the actions of people from the alleged right wing yesterday Yet you ask why it’s appropriate when it’s done in reverse ? 
 

anyway sorry To hear about your troubles back then. That shouldn’t happen to anyone at anytime. Cretins and thugs on both side of the fence. 

Was I asking you to condemn them yesterday? Don't recall doing so - but I've been writing too much on here to remember it all - If I did then it's hypocrisy on my part & I get your point. I was interested what you thought though - as I got the impression you supported them going down last week to protect the statues - without really acknowledging why they were really going down or the kinds of groups of involved. Might have misintepreted that though.

Appreciate the comments. Like I said - I recognise that created a lot of bias in terms of who I'm likely to focus on. But I know the violence was on both sides. I just don't get why other protests were picking fights and chanting horrible shite in places where BLM protests had been completely peaceful. 

Let's hope this is the end of the latest drama anyway. Clearly not safe for anyone to be out on the streets in mass numbers. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by London Wanderer

[Tony]

 

There is no doubt that there is racial bias across every society and racial group. In the UK I honestly believe we are better than most, but this doesn't help black people who suffer the most racial discrimination.

However, if black people keep behaving so aggressively the discrimination will increase not decrease. 

I understand that people were angry that the statues and memorials were defaced. Not bothered about a slavers statue but it should be in a museum.

The behaviour of the "statue protectors" in London and Glasgow was blatantly racist and unacceptable.

However, I have seen horrific footage of black gangs brutally attacking lone white stragglers (and in my opinion it was also racist) and but for the police and some black people we would be talking about deaths.

I hope all the thugs are tracked down and dealt with and get the appropriate sentences.

 

[Escobarp]

Very well put 👏🏼

[London Wanderer]

15 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

There is no doubt that there is racial bias across every society and racial group. In the UK I honestly believe we are better than most, but this doesn't help black people who suffer the most racial discrimination.

However, if black people keep behaving so aggressively the discrimination will increase not decrease. 

I understand that people were angry that the statues and memorials were defaced. Not bothered about a slavers statue but it should be in a museum.

The behaviour of the "statue protectors" in London and Glasgow was blatantly racist and unacceptable.

However, I have seen horrific footage of black gangs brutally attacking lone white stragglers (and in my opinion it was also racist) and but for the police and some black people we would be talking about deaths.

I hope all the thugs are tracked down and dealt with and get the appropriate sentences.

 

Agree with pretty much all of this. Well said.

But where's the evidence that black people keep on behaving aggressively? Yes rates of youth violence are high in certain parts of London and Manchester etc. But they are also high in some white communities across the country and parts of Scotland. Not sure we would turn around and say white people should stop behaving so aggressively in response to far-right protesters or to youth voilence in a white community. 

Often we racialise these issues by using problem, which is affecting a very specific demographic of teenage black boys in London, as well as others all over the country, as a way of demonising black people as a whole. The vast majority of young black men across the country are not responsible for the actions of a minority. And it is our repsonsiblity not to get sucked into these steretypes or to perpetuate them.

Edited June 14, 2020 by London Wanderer

[Youri McAnespie]

3 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Should have sent Ross Kemp in.

They already had the prerequisite number of valour-cadging fatiguetail hangers-on...

[Tony]

London Wanderer

I wasn't meaning Black gangs or criminality. I was relating to the aggressive language - ranting does not persuade.

We are not the US our police do not routinely shoot or suffocate people 

There is wealth privilege in the UK, but not all white people are privileged.

The lack of economic success of black people is not all due to racism.

Most white people in the UK are not racist.

[Judge Fudge]

3 weeks ago...very little racial tension in this country. Fair enough, the elephant in the room regarding the handing of the Muslim grooming gangs was an issue but it wasn’t causing a unsurmountable problem. 

 

Antifa hijack the BLM cause and we’re on the edge of race wars/civil war!

The vast, decent and silent majority of this country are not racist. I would say that this country is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. I’m saying this from a white, working class males  perspective. I’m sure folks from a BAME background may see it different and I’ve no problem with that. 
 

I’ve got family and mates from the BAME background. Some doing well, very well. Some struggling but getting by. Some in and out of prison. Just like all sections of society. 

These ultra left nut jobs are cynically exploiting the BLM cause to bring down the government and cause division. 
There’s an agenda behind this. They’re clever and puppet masters, playing one against the other.

 

Unfortunately, there’s a minority of brain dead, racist twats who are biting and playing into their hands.

 

They've got the confidence that with the woke media, universities, most politicians and  higher elechons police on board (either from virtue signalling or fear of being branded politically incorrect)  that the time is right for a coup.

 

Hopefully, the vast, decent, silent majority can see through their cynical bullshit!

 

 

 

 

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

You've missed a point, a very big one at that, the police are there to police, prevent crime, not to decide which crimes are worthy of their efforts nor are they there to dance on minority pride marches or to take the knee. They are meant to be impartial, to serve people of all race, age or sexual preference & they are there to uphold the law no matter who is breaking it. 

They also have a duty to take into account public safety and whether their actions may negatively affect that. Given the circumstances, it's understandable why the police, in this particular instance, decided not to intervene.

It has nothing to do with "taking the knee".

Edited June 14, 2020 by Lt. Aldo Raine

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, Tony said:

London Wanderer

I wasn't meaning Black gangs or criminality. I was relating to the aggressive language - ranting does not persuade.

We are not the US our police do not routinely shoot or suffocate people 

There is wealth privilege in the UK, but not all white people are privileged.

The lack of economic success of black people is not all due to racism.

Most white people in the UK are not racist.

Fair play mate - all good points. We certainly are not the US and racism is not the only player. My argument is a lot of this is institionalised and systemic. So it's not that most white people are racist - but that we should try to unlearn some of these stereotypes and address systemic racism. 

These problems definitely manifest in white communities as well. Important to note that the BLM movement isn't saying that the needs of white people aren't important. Only ignorant folk such as Britain First would perceive it that way. 

If it's about aggressive language - then why is that just a black problem? I've worked in schools with mostly white kids and then other schools with a high percentage of black kids. I don't see aggressive language as a black problem nor do I see youth violence as just a black problem. Not sure why these things are racialised so much. 

[London Wanderer]

19 minutes ago, Judge Fudge said:

3 weeks ago...very little racial tension in this country. Fair enough, the elephant in the room regarding the handing of the Muslim grooming gangs was an issue but it wasn’t causing a unsurmountable problem. 

 

Antifa hijack the BLM cause and we’re on the edge of race wars/civil war!

The vast, decent and silent majority of this country are not racist. I would say that this country is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. I’m saying this from a white, working class males  perspective. I’m sure folks from a BAME background may see it different and I’ve no problem with that. 
 

I’ve got family and mates from the BAME background. Some doing well, very well. Some struggling but getting by. Some in and out of prison. Just like all sections of society. 

These ultra left nut jobs are cynically exploiting the BLM cause to bring down the government and cause division. 
There’s an agenda behind this. They’re clever and puppet masters, playing one against the other.

 

Unfortunately, there’s a minority of brain dead, racist twats who are biting and playing into their hands.

 

They've got the confidence that with the woke media, universities, most politicians and  higher elechons police on board (either from virtue signalling or fear of being branded politically incorrect)  that the time is right for a coup.

 

Hopefully, the vast, decent, silent majority can see through their cynical bullshit!

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck me mate calm down - I get we shouldn't be complacement but the scenes out there hardly show we are about to see a civil war. In fact you could probably just fit most of them on a footy pitch give em some boxing gloves and let them have it out. 

Antifa - a generation of snowflakes who need a safe space to complete their gender studies and would have pissed themselves on Dday; whilst simultaneously being a highly organised group of violent extreme terrorists working to overthrow the government. 

They're numpties but they're nothing to worry about really mate - they won't be igniting a civil war and they haven't staged a coup on the BLM movement. 

Tens of thousands engaged in the BLM protests across the country last weekend and out of that only a small minority were violent and damaged property. 

We'll be grand really. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by London Wanderer

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They also have a duty to take into account public safety and whether their actions may negatively affect that. Given the circumstances, it's understandable why the police, in this particular instance, decided not to intervene.

It has nothing to do with "taking the knee".  

Damaging statues & desecrating memorials does not constitute a public safety risk. It should have been stopped or at least some attempt made to stop it. I have no issues with the way they policed yesterday... Step outside the law & pay the price. The message they sent out last week was one of weakness, it can't be allowed to happen again. 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

You've missed a point, a very big one at that, the police are there to police, prevent crime, not to decide which crimes are worthy of their efforts nor are they there to dance on minority pride marches or to take the knee. They are meant to be impartial, to serve people of all race, age or sexual preference & they are there to uphold the law no matter who is breaking it. 

They've also got to show a bit of discretion sometimes haven't they? Rather than wading in?

I think they do a brilliant job in the main.

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

"Football lads".

Fucking hell.

Lads from the match ? Not rocket science is it ?

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Just now, kent_white said:

They've also got to show a bit of discretion sometimes haven't they? Rather than wading in?

I think they do a brilliant job in the main.

Discretion? Wading in? No... apprehend the thugs & the vandals, its their duty. If you are behaving violently or causing criminal damage then you should be arrested. 

[miamiwhite]

24 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They also have a duty to take into account public safety and whether their actions may negatively affect that. Given the circumstances, it's understandable why the police, in this particular instance, decided not to intervene.

It has nothing to do with "taking the knee".

Though one could argue as has been admitted just last week, that the police took the knee to avoid conflict.

Sod that, do your job and don't pander, they are ment to be impartial

[Judge Fudge]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fuck me mate calm down - I get we shouldn't be complacement but the scenes out there hardly show we are about to see a civil war. In fact you could probably just fit most of them on a footy pitch give em some boxing gloves and let them have it out. 

Antifa - a generation of snowflakes who need a safe space to complete their gender studies and would have pissed themselves on Dday; whilst simultaneously being a highly organised group of violent extreme terrorists working to overthrow the government. 

Don't worry mate - they won't be igniting a civil war and they haven't staged a coup on the BLM movement. 

Tens of thousands engaged in the BLM protests across the country last weekend and out of that only a small minority were violent and damaged property. 

I know I like a bit of drama but I'm sure we'll be find really.  

So you think that’s it! After everything that’s gone on over the last two weeks, everything just going to return to normal?

 

In my view, I think both the extreme right and extreme left (both creaming themselves) see this as the perfect time to  push their agenda. All that’s going to do if polarise the general population. I fear the worst

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Damaging statues & desecrating memorials does not constitute a public safety risk. It should have been stopped or at least some attempt made to stop it. I have no issues with the way they policed yesterday... Step outside the law & pay the price. The message they sent out last week was one of weakness, it can't be allowed to happen again. 

Exactly. But if they'd have attempted to put a stop to it it could easily, in fact probably would've, become one. As has been pointed out, it's a matter of discretion. 

The perpetraters can still be arrested and prosecuted after the event if a crime has been committed.

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

28 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They also have a duty to take into account public safety and whether their actions may negatively affect that. Given the circumstances, it's understandable why the police, in this particular instance, decided not to intervene.

It has nothing to do with "taking the knee".

It has everything to do with taking the knee,  we have a police force that in its efforts to be politically correct sometimes loses sight of its purpose. Explain to me for instance how Police & the Mayor of Manchester can be dancing in the streets on gay pride whilst there are people bungee jumping naked nearby? 

   Not wishing to be a killjoy but if it was hetros bungee jumping in the buff I'm sure the Police would view it very differently.  

   It's simple really... POLICE WHAT YOU SEE, NOT WHO YOU SEE DOING IT. 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Exactly. But if they'd have attempted to put a stop to it it could easily, in fact probably would've, become one. As has been pointed out, it's a matter of discretion. 

The perpetraters can still be arrested and prosecuted after the event if a crime has been committed.

I'm sorry, no offence meant but your attitude fucking staggers me! Maybe next time they could have their own DIY stand & sell paint to the mindless morons to fund the policeman's ball. 

[miamiwhite]

7 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

I'm sorry, no offence meant but your attitude fucking staggers me! Maybe next time they could have their own DIY stand & sell paint to the mindless morons to fund the policeman's ball. 

Don't tell him Antifa have their own autonomous zone now in Seattle.........watch when the Hells Angel's turn up.... they're en route.....Antifa will soon want the police back to protect them.