Meanwhile in Wales

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You’re getting a wee bit confused between long term trends and short term trends.

 Long term (many decades) - crime down.

Short term (the period of austerity) - crime up or trends impacted. 
 

Do you disagree with that ? 

This is what you said about crime.

 

”crime rose significantly from the 50s onwards then has been falling in most areas since 2003”

So when I said (sarcastically) about praising the government you came back with austerity has resulted in crime going up. Austerity started in 2010. The link I posted showing the biggest fall in crime in decades was from 2013. 
 

So when you’re asking me to agree that long term (many decades) crime down. Which decades are you referring to? 
 

 

[Casino]

5 hours ago, Farrelli said:

The police used to convict people for theft and burglaries. Home Office stats for 2021/22 show they only brought someone to justice in 6% total burglaries or 4% total thefts. We can argue about the reasons but that is appalling in anyone’s reckoning. 

If we catch folk theres nowhere to put them

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

If we catch folk theres nowhere to put them

There’s 200 Albanians with long term sentences sent back to Albania…. I’d be doing same with short term prisoners and any others from elsewhere who shouldn’t be here.  

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There’s 200 Albanians with long term sentences sent back to Albania…. I’d be doing same with short term prisoners and any others from elsewhere who shouldn’t be here.  

Some tory minister twat was raving about how much it saves not having to keep 200 locked up fir a year

Well worth having at 40k a pop, but we didnt get told how much it was costing us in aid to Albania

Either way, its about 8 mill, afuck load less than its costing to house unprocessed asylum seekers

Priorities all wrong as per

But it gets a headline

Shocking

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Some tory minister twat was raving about how much it saves not having to keep 200 locked up fir a year

Well worth having at 40k a pop, but we didnt get told how much it was costing us in aid to Albania

Either way, its about 8 mill, afuck load less than its costing to house unprocessed asylum seekers

Priorities all wrong as per

But it gets a headline

Shocking

You don’t expect the Tory’s to get 2 policies right do you.🤣

[Tonge moor green jacket]

36 minutes ago, Casino said:

Some tory minister twat was raving about how much it saves not having to keep 200 locked up fir a year

Well worth having at 40k a pop, but we didnt get told how much it was costing us in aid to Albania

Either way, its about 8 mill, afuck load less than its costing to house unprocessed asylum seekers

Priorities all wrong as per

But it gets a headline

Shocking

Two completely different issues.

Albania is a defined as a safe country, and as such Albanians that travel here illegally aren't asylum seekers (maybe with the very odd specific case).

Those here and in prison that get sent back have no bearing on asylum seeker numbers.

Both can, and should be tackled simultaneously, not one priritised over another.

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Two completely different issues.

Albania is a defined as a safe country, and as such Albanians that travel here illegally aren't asylum seekers (maybe with the very odd specific case).

Those here and in prison that get sent back have no bearing on asylum seeker numbers.

Both can, and should be tackled simultaneously, not one priritised over another.

Id prioritise the one saving us most cash

Maybe its just me, though

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

 

So when you’re asking me to agree that long term (many decades) crime down. Which decades are you referring to? 
 

 

All of the decades 😂 From 1950 through to 2003. As per the government website. Would you like me to count them for you? 

Austerity has clearly had an impact. It's black and white. The debate is whether it was necessary or not, not whether or not it had an impact. 

A long term trend can still continue with short term fluctuations, as you know. 

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

All of the decades 😂 From 1950 through to 2003. As per the government website. Would you like me to count them for you? 

Austerity has clearly had an impact. It's black and white. The debate is whether it was necessary or not, not whether or not it had an impact. 

A long term trend can still continue with short term fluctuations, as you know. 

Right you’re not helping yourself here. You’re all of a do. 
 

Did it go up from the 50s like you said here. 
 

 

or down like you said here?

 

 

 

You can’t pick both and ask me to agree with you 🤦🏻

 

[Farrelli]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

If we catch folk theres nowhere to put them

We need a government who are serious about law and order.  The level of convictions by our police and the state of our prisons is a national disgrace.

[London Wanderer]

40 minutes ago, royal white said:

Right you’re not helping yourself here. You’re all of a do. 
 

Did it go up from the 50s like you said here. 
 

 

or down like you said here?

 

 

 

You can’t pick both and ask me to agree with you 🤦🏻

 

😂

A wee detective over here. Shame you can't read very well. 

"Overall crime has gone down since the 50s" - Which it has - from 1950 until the present day crime has gone down and there has been long term falls since the 90s. 

"From 1950 onwards crime rose significantly". Which it did - between the years 1950 and 2003. Then it fell significantly, taking us to the point where we are now. 20 years on where overall crime has gone down. 

As I said earlier, they are called fluctuations (that means up and down). Think of it like football, a team can have high possession for ten minutes but over the course of 90 mins can have less. Does that help mate? 

You still get an overall long term trend. 

You are funny scrolling through the threads making more of a tit of yourself. Can you just read and process it next time to save us all the time. Ta. 

Night x 

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

A wee detective over here. Shame you can't read very well. 

"Overall crime has gone down since the 50s" - Which it has - from 1950 until the present day crime has gone down and there has been long term falls since the 90s. 

"From 1950 onwards crime rose significantly". Which it did - between the years 1950 and 2003. Then it fell significantly, taking us to the point where we are now. 20 years on where overall crime has gone down. 

As I said earlier, they are called fluctuations (that means up and down). Think of it like football, a team can have high possession for ten minutes but over the course of 90 mins can have less. Does that help mate? 

You still get an overall long term trend. 

You are funny scrolling through the threads making more of a tit of yourself. Can you just read and process it next time to save us all the time. Ta. 

Night x 

 

Haha keep digging. How does explain this then

 

“Overall crime has gone down since the 50s. Which brings into question whether disciplining kids in school really worked”

 

If crime went down in the 50, (as you suggested at one point tonight) when disciplining kids in school was probably at its peak, why would you bring that into question? Many would suggest it worked.
 

But then here

Crime rose significantly from the 50s onwards then has been falling in most areas since 2003. 

Funny that, because I swear police and teachers had more power to do what the fuck they wanted way back in the 50s than they do now 🤔

You’re Having a mare here cocker.  It’s funny though. 

Edited May 25, 2023 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Haha keep digging. How does explain this then

 

“Overall crime has gone down since the 50s. Which brings into question whether disciplining kids in school really worked”

 

If crime went down in the 50, (as you suggested at one point tonight) when disciplining kids in school was probably at its peak, why would you bring that into question? Many would suggest it worked.
 

But then here

Crime rose significantly from the 50s onwards then has been falling in most areas since 2003. 

Funny that, because I swear police and teachers had more power to do what the fuck they wanted way back in the 50s than they do now 🤔

You’re Having a mare here cocker.  It’s funny though. 

You've just gone full circle and posted exactly the same points without bothering to read my response. 🤣 

Did they teach you comprehension in the military lad? 

There's only one person having mare but it's lovely watching you try your best, as if it's a game...
 

I never said crime went down in the 1950s... you've missed two key words there pal. Overall (so a long term trend yeah) and since . So from 1950 until present day. Within all those time periods you have rises and falls. 

Post the same again though and we can repeat the same shite yeah? Ya fanny 🤣

Edited May 25, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You've just gone full circle and posted exactly the same points without bothering to read my response. 🤣 

Did they teach you comprehension in the military lad? 

There's only one person having mare but it's lovely watching you try your best, as if it's a game...
 

I never said crime went down in the 1950s... you've missed two key words there pal. Overall (so a long term trend yeah) and since . So from 1950 until present day. Within all those time periods you have rises and falls. 

Post the same again though and we can repeat the same shite yeah? Ya fanny 🤣

Read it again you fkin m0ng 😂 I’m highlighting disciplining kids. For some Reason when you said crime went down in the 50s you questioned discipline, suggesting it didn’t work. Then a couple of posts later you said crime went up in the 50s so suggested discipline didn’t work. 🤦🏻
 

You can try and swivel and dig as much as you like but that doesn’t make sense to anyone. 

And you’re asking me to agree with you 😂😂

Get to bed 🤡

Edited May 25, 2023 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Read it again you fkin m0ng 😂 I’m highlighting disciplining kids. For some Reason when you said crime went down in the 50s you questioned discipline, suggesting it didn’t work. Then a couple of posts later you said crime went up in the 50s so suggested discipline didn’t work. 🤦🏻
🤡

The best bit about this is I’ve never said crime went down in the 1950s 😂 yet twice now you’ve said I have and you’re calling me a idiot😂

‘Overall, since the 50s’ somehow equates to ‘I n the 1950s’ in your funny little head.

 It has everything to do with disciplining kids, you’re right. A poster said we’re in a mess because teachers and coppers have no authority. I pointed to the stats that show an overall long term trend that things weren’t that better when they did have more power to discipline how they liked. 
 

You then piped up and have been piping up ever since. Lost track of what you’re on about but it’s lovely watching you twice demonstrate that you can’t comprehend a simple sentence❤️

 not as good as when you told us all Trump had nothing to do with the Capitol riot. That will take some beating. 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The best bit about this is I’ve never said crime went down in the 1950s 😂 yet twice now you’ve said I have and you’re calling me a idiot😂

‘Overall, since the 50s’ somehow equates to ‘I n the 1950s’ in your funny little head.

 It has everything to do with disciplining kids, you’re right. A poster said we’re in a mess because teachers and coppers have no authority. I pointed to the stats that show an overall long term trend that things weren’t that better when they did have more power to discipline how they liked. 
 

You then piped up and have been piping up ever since. Lost track of what you’re on about but it’s lovely watching you twice demonstrate that you can’t comprehend a simple sentence❤️

 not as good as when you told us all Trump had nothing to do with the Capitol riot. That will take some beating. 

Change the IN the 50s to FROM/SINCE the 50s. 

Edited May 25, 2023 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Change the IN the 50s to FROM/SINCE the 50s. 

“Read it again you fkin m0ng 😂 I’m highlighting disciplining kids. For some Reason when you said crime went down in the 50s”

 😂

 you’re struggling with your reading today eh? 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

“Read it again you fkin m0ng 😂 I’m highlighting disciplining kids. For some Reason when you said crime went down in the 50s”

 😂

 you’re struggling with your reading today eh? 

Did you miss the last post when I said change in to from/since? 

Have you got a link showing crime down from 1950 - 2003 

 

[Farrelli]

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/sian_berry_youth_services_2021_blighted_generation_final.pdf
 

the other factor in youth crime is the closure of so many youth clubs and community centres since 2010. This is a report for London but it has happened everywhere.

[Wanderlust]

Over 10 thousand school sports pitches were sold off to the private sector between 1979 and 1997 which I reckon has been a significant contributor to the rise in both youth crime and childhood obesity.

[gonzo]

I think its like the earth is generally getting hotter. But whilst it does get hotter it gets a bit cooler from time to time.

But in general its getting hotter. 

Think we need a graph Bolton Diver 

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/sian_berry_youth_services_2021_blighted_generation_final.pdf
 

the other factor in youth crime is the closure of so many youth clubs and community centres since 2010. This is a report for London but it has happened everywhere.

Nah Byker Grove was quite violent

[Nowack]

28 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nah Byker Grove was quite violent

[BobyBrno]

On 25/05/2023 at 15:38, Spider said:

What has changed that makes burglary something to simply brush off like dust on your shoulder?

I can tell you that it mattered to me. And that had I caught them and wrapped a cricket bat round their heads that I’d be the one having my fingerprints taken.

I mentioned last week that the police are now dealing with things they didn’t have to in previous years. The announcement today by Met police proves my point.

“”He writes that his officers are spending more than 10,000 hours a month on "what is principally a health matter", adding that police and other social services are "collectively failing patients" by not ensuring they receive appropriate help, as well as failing Londoners more generally because of the effect on police resources.”

From the BBC site.

As I said at the time, it’s a complex issue that the police, unfortunately, are having to deal with at the expense of other criminal activity.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I mentioned last week that the police are now dealing with things they didn’t have to in previous years. The announcement today by Met police proves my point.

“”He writes that his officers are spending more than 10,000 hours a month on "what is principally a health matter", adding that police and other social services are "collectively failing patients" by not ensuring they receive appropriate help, as well as failing Londoners more generally because of the effect on police resources.”

From the BBC site.

As I said at the time, it’s a complex issue that the police, unfortunately, are having to deal with at the expense of other criminal activity.

Underfunding elsewhere knocking on to police workload

13 years