Burton A

[Leyther_Matt]

46 minutes ago, Piemon said:

We did the same. Best part of the day straight in the car and away after the game 

We were blocked in by the coaches and were still away by 5.10 and back in Leigh for half 6. One day I’ll actually be able to go on the piss (as obviously we’re destined to play them every year forevermore)

30 minutes ago, DaisyHWanderer said:

Went to Pirelli originally as I think someone said on here you could park there. Ended up on the one opposite the ground, £5 and was gone 10 minutes after the game.

Beech hotel was alright before the game, busy-ish but easy enough to get a beer

Apologies, my fault that one. We parked on there the first time we played there under Parky but deserted today. 

[L/H White]

Still baffled as to why Dadi didn't get on today 

He'll be more effective with one leg than Dan and Jerome 

[Leyther_Matt]

1 minute ago, L/H White said:

Still baffled as to why Dadi didn't get on today 

He'll be more effective with one leg than Dan and Jerome 

Can only assume he still isn’t fit and was an absolute last resort (although if 1-0 down at Burton isn’t the time for a last resort then I don’t know what is)

Tbf Jerome had a couple of neat touches and their centre back who had been largely winning the physicals absolutely shit himself, got put on his backside and then we didn’t bother trying to open up that challenge again. Same as their number 4 and number 8 were both on a tightrope and nobody bothered trying to draw them in to a foul. 

[L/H White]

If he isn't fit, he shouldn't on the bench 

[Casino]

9 minutes ago, L/H White said:

If he isn't fit, he shouldn't on the bench 

Remind me what you do for a job again?

Ill trust evatt to decide who goes on the bench!

[Traf]

Not good enough today really. 

Too much long ball stuff from us and way too many overhit passes.

Final ball was poor and we missed some good chances. Charles completely missed heading the ball for a simple goal and then bollocked Jones for the cross..

Like others, I parked on the grass, but my front bumper was about 5 feet behind the back of the last coach, so I was away just after 5 and back in Rossendale at 6.40.

[Zico]

3 hours ago, Krimzon said:

Only concern is that we have a very tough september . That when I expect to see a reaction. 

I prefer to think of it as challenging then tough 

If we are to improve on last season and be serious about challenging we should be taking 6 points off Derby and Peterborough  

And win at either reading or port vale 

I'm a glass half full type at the moment 

We've had more good performances than shit ones and are 3rd 

And we can do better 

Minimum 8 from 12 next month 

Anything in the cups is a bonus

[L/H White]

9 minutes ago, Casino said:

Remind me what you do for a job again?

Ill trust evatt to decide who goes on the bench!

Here he is.

[Tombwfc]

5 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Oh, come on

You have to expect a centre forward to put this away

 

 

People saying that's great goalkeeping... any keeper in the top four leagues saves that. Comfortable height, straight down the middle of the goal. Just a bad miss.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Tombwfc

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Always been same, some fans hounded Ian Greaves. 

Those two years before we finally got promoted to Div 1 after narrowly missing out. The cries of ‘Greaves Out’. Imagine if the internet had been around then and the meltdown on BurndenWays!! Why the fuckety would we buy a womanising waster, has-been forward, who’s not been picked by England, rejected by Liverpool, and ended up at Burnden looking like a washed up Elvis impersonator looking for a gig 

[Deanu]

Too many mistakes early on with Iredale's backpass & Baxter passing it straight to them but thankfully they were just as shit as us in front of goal. We didn't start playing until a goal down which is very familiar to the past seasons, looked very disjointed & overrun in midfield. Good save by the keeper but Vic should be burying that it was put on a plate. 2 points dropped, should be going & beating them if we wanna get promoted.

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Their commentators wondering why it took us 50 minutes to match Burton for effort sums today up for me. Big negative..... Jones, Iredale & Williams were shocking again...... Positives (hopefully) Meghoma will get better with game time & Mendes Gomes & JDB will improve us massively. 

[tomski]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

And there we have it

Been at it from about the day he arrived

Which is fair enough, but i reckon hes proved you wrong, already

How? Please tell us? All I see is Phil Neal and the stats back us up. 

Also think it’s bollocks from day 1. He was the manager I wanted in theory but we’ve landed the Wally one

Edited August 26, 2023 by tomski

[tomski]

It’s a fair question @L/H White 

[Wanderlust]

6 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A miss from six yards out with half the goal gaping wide open is always going to attract more attention, though

Compare and contrast with Burton's miss from 3 yards out which drew nothing but praise for Baxter getting in the way of it. It's a petty criticism IMO.

Personally I thought Victor was one of the few players that did a good job today even though for most of it he was in a very physical battle with the excellent Hughes.

Whilst we made mistakes in defence nearly gifting them a goal early doors (which Cole Stockton would have buried if he was playing) and Dacres-Cogley AWOL at the back post for their goal plus mistakes in midfield throughout the game and an inability to deliver a decent cross/corner/FK/through ball or long pass, our forwards did pretty well with the meagre scraps they were served up. The real problems lie elsewhere.

[bolty58]

Cold light of day. 5 games in - 3 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss. The excitable types had the scalpel hovering over their wrists in the pre season FFS.

We said assess it after 10 games. Calm the fuck down. I'd have settled for this points haul after 5 games before the season started as would we all. It's just the loss to the insignificants which is still burning and the same pre season nihilists want to bring the whole thing down because of it.

The ship is being well steered. The club is on an upwards trajectory since almost falling into the same abyss as Bury. Playoffs, a Wembley cup win etc. and yet the doom mongers and naysayers are still lining up.

Continuity, belief and good management contribute to success. FV and Evatt will get this right. Stay calm and carry on supporting.

[Wanderlust]

45 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Cold light of day. 5 games in - 3 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss. The excitable types had the scalpel hovering over their wrists in the pre season FFS.

We said assess it after 10 games. Calm the fuck down. I'd have settled for this points haul after 5 games before the season started as would we all. It's just the loss to the insignificants which is still burning and the same pre season nihilists want to bring the whole thing down because of it.

The ship is being well steered. The club is on an upwards trajectory since almost falling into the same abyss as Bury. Playoffs, a Wembley cup win etc. and yet the doom mongers and naysayers are still lining up.

Continuity, belief and good management contribute to success. FV and Evatt will get this right. Stay calm and carry on supporting.

Agree with all of this Bolty. I'm a happy clapper in the sense that I'm eternally grateful we still exist - and generally going in the right direction however...

...that doesn't mean we should sit on our laurels if we are going to move forward and that constructive criticism of what we do is no bad thing.

When we discuss the team /squad I have difficulty getting past what I think is our Achilles heel and it comes back to Evatt's dogmatic approach to our playing style (which I love BTW) The fundamental issue IMO is that in order to play that possession-based attacking style we will never be able to afford players who can do that in tight spaces under severe pressure.

Our midfield has some talented lads and given time and space they can paint some pretty pictures and create some very easy on the eye moves resulting in great goals. But when they're being chased around by a gorilla who is in their faces the moment the ball arrives they simply don't have the required level of skill and composure to play their way out of tight positions consistently enough and the passes go astray or they are bullied off the ball far too often. And the more that happens, the more inconsistent they get.

Maamria saw what Wigan did to us and naturally enough he instructed his Burton team to get at us from the start with a very high press and sure enough the mistakes followed - and every team we play against for the rest of the season will do exactly the same thing if they can - some teams in this league already do that week in week out.

Simply put, if we want to play like City we need Gundogan and Bernardo Silva not Morley and Sheehan.

I think Evatt recognises this so today he tried to weather the inevitable storm with George anchoring but with the WBs, Demps and Maghoma losing their individual battles and second balls too often we rode our luck and were lucky to survive the first half.

Totally support Evatt's desire to play his way but we have to earn the right to do so and unless we can find a way of controlling the midfield narrative - even if that means loans or signings - we'll be facing another season where we drop a load of points that many fans think we shouldn't.

That said, there are a lot of teams in this league that can't maintain the level of energy required to keep the pressure on us - so well done Burton.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Wanderlust

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Agree with all of this Bolty. I'm a happy clapper in the sense that I'm eternally grateful we still exist - and generally going in the right direction however...

...that doesn't mean we should sit on our laurels if we are going to move forward and that constructive criticism of what we do is no bad thing.

When we discuss the team /squad I have difficulty getting past what I think is our Achilles heel and it comes back to Evatt's dogmatic approach to our playing style (which I love BTW) The fundamental issue IMO is that in order to play that possession-based attacking style we will never be able to afford players who can do that in tight spaces under severe pressure.

Our midfield has some talented lads and given time and space they can paint some pretty pictures and create some very easy on the eye moves resulting in great goals. But when they're being chased around by a gorilla who is in their faces the moment the ball arrives they simply don't have the required level of skill and composure to play their way out of tight positions consistently enough and the passes go astray or they are bullied off the ball far too often. And the more that happens, the more inconsistent they get.

Maamria saw what Wigan did to us and naturally enough he instructed his Burton team to get at us from the start with a very high press and sure enough the mistakes followed - and every team we play against for the rest of the season will do exactly the same thing if they can - some teams in this league already do that week in week out.

Simply put, if we want to play like City we need Gundogan and Bernardo Silva not Morley and Sheehan.

I think Evatt recognises this so today he tried to weather the inevitable storm with George anchoring but with the WBs, Demps and Maghoma losing their individual battles and second balls too often we rode our luck and were lucky to survive the first half.

Totally support Evatt's desire to play his way but we have to earn the right to do so and unless we can find a way of controlling the midfield narrative - even if that means loans or signings - we'll be facing another season where we drop a load of points that many fans think we shouldn't.

That said, there are a lot of teams in this league that can't maintain the level of energy required to keep the pressure on us - so well done Burton.

My condensed response is "I can't wait for the next match". Everything else is just chatter. Beat Derby and the same 'end is nigh' brigade will be acclaiming us as likely champions. Seen it all before.

There's a simple question. Does the club as a whole have an upward momentum? I believe it has as anyone who spends a minute analysing progress (or otherwise) since FV took over must conclude.

Keep the faith.

[radcliffe white]

12 hours ago, true white said:

We are third in league. Best team and manager we have had in years. Yet not enough for people. Professional moaners. If it’s that bad go and do something different. Perhaps our biggest problem my be our fans?? 

Missed this cracker 

typical response i expect on here though 

nobody is moaning don’t know where you’ve got that from?  Yes I have a different view on IE but not wanting the guy sacked or anything 

after 35 plus years watching them think I’m too heavily invested to go and do something else 

Edited August 27, 2023 by radcliffe white

[Wanderlust]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

 

There's a simple question. Does the club as a whole have an upward momentum? I believe it has as anyone who spends a minute analysing progress (or otherwise) since FV took over must conclude.

Clearly we do but it's not the only simple question.

Another simple question is "does the club currently have a strong enough squad to achieve the manager's stated goal of (ideally automatic) promotion this season?"

Discussion of that question is exactly what it says on the tin - discussion - which is the purpose of a fans forum isn't it?

Another question is "if someone expresses their opinion on what they like or what they don't like about the trajectory of our momentum, why do they have to be pigeon-holed as a happy clapper or a doom and gloom merchant?"

Obviously there's a Psychology 101 answer to that

 

[RUREADY2ROLL]

Iredale was as bad as a player could get yesterday after his shocking performance against Wigan. He looked so good in the first three leagues like Randall had done. Hopefully both will return to their best soon

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

10 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

People saying that's great goalkeeping... any keeper in the top four leagues saves that. Comfortable height, straight down the middle of the goal. Just a bad miss.

I genuinely thought I must be missing something

He follows the direction of the ball, as any goalkeeper would, then it's hit straight at him

[MickyD]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I genuinely thought I must be missing something

He follows the direction of the ball, as any goalkeeper would, then it's hit straight at him

Goalkeeper did his job then?

I’d imagine brewersways forum would’ve been full of “I’d have done a better job!” posts if he hadn’t saved it.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, MickyD said:

Goalkeeper did his job then?

I’d imagine brewersways forum would’ve been full of “I’d have done a better job!” posts if he hadn’t saved it.

He did his job because Vic hit it in an area that gave him the option to do his job: middle of the goal, comfortable height

And yes, I'd imagine there would've been posts of "I'd have done a better job!" if he hadn't saved it because, if he hadn't, it'd have been pretty poor

I'm really not sure why people are finding it so hard to accept it was a bad miss

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think the "professional moaners", "excitable types" are concerned that the problems that have affected us under Evatt - psychologically weak under pressure, inability to break through teams who stop us playing the way we want to, difficulties getting results against the very best in the league, etc. - are still there and that lessons haven't been learned

On current evidence, it seems a reasonable concern to me, and it's why things like claiming last Saturday's result was a "one-off" are unlikely to be persuasive - the problem was that we collapsed in exactly the same way we did two years previously

Next Saturday is an opportunity to demonstrate we are learning from past mistakes; hopefully we can make the most of that opportunity