Charlton Athletic (A)

[Wanderlust]

3 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

Santos is a shadow of his former self , not sure his head is in the right place.

Evatt loves him and possibly the only reason he plays a back 3 is because Santos doesn't take any shit from big strikers and usually handles breaks through the lines fairly well, but too much responsibility has been put on his shoulders both on and off the pitch. We have to remember that there is a good defender in there - put him in a back four and he'll be fine.

[gonzo]

To play the way we want to play you need two wing backs that are absolutely dynamite.

We end up so narrow, obsessed with under-laps and a big massive hole in midfield.

Like Zico say we didn't need a massive overhaul from last season. We were a few points and 90 awful minutes away from promotion. A few tweaks in personnel and higher tempo we'd have been cooking.

Now by the time everyone's worked out this new system Evatt will be at Blackpool and we will be already 10 points off the pack.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, wakey said:

Our results from the start of Feb to now - 23 games, so half a season - are mid-table:

 

P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
23	8	10	5	38	29	34

If we'd done that for the full season we'd have finished just above Wycombe in 10th, and 8 points off 6th (24points off 2nd!).

I've excluded play-offs btw. Worse if they're included.

I wish this was just a couple of ropey results and we're on the cusp of fixing it, but it feels like we're regressing.

 

Yes but we can't count games when either Charles, Santos or Baxter are missing can we?  Don't forget we'd have walked this league with them playing every game.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Kane57 said:

Exeter is a gimme but it's Huddersfield for me that should be the game now. Win or go, simple.

Not really. Its about how we perform as well, last year the home games v Barnsley (league) and Pompey weren't wins but there was enough to be optimistic about in two entertaining hard fought draws that we could have won.  That's very different to a limp 0-2 defeat.  I think its reasonable to assume IE can't afford to lose any of the next 3 homes and obviously beating Exeter is a minimum requirement. 

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

You know when folk say "we'd have lost this last season" and all that

7-0 last season 

Simply no excuses 

Yes apparently we'd have lost to Wrexham last season (even though we haven't lost at home with 11 men since Carlisle).  Suppose the boots on the other foot regarding Charlton, we'd have won that last season, and the one before, and the one before.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Out of interest, how many league penalties did DC score last season? 

How many league goals since January? 

Don't care about the cups lol. 

 

Anyone know? 

https://www.worldfootball.net/goalgetter/eng-league-one-2023-2024/

3: Home v Derby & Stevenage, away at Peterboro.

[Farnywhite]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

play the way we want to play you need two wing backs that are absolutely dynamite.

You need a Conner Bradley frightening teams with is pace and chipping in With a few goals .
We got exposed at orient by diagonal balls behind the wing backs it looks like especially with the Hungarian lad evatt wants him playing more in the opposition half but we also have strikers pulling wide in front of them . I think the players are confused also 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

To play the way we want to play you need two wing backs that are absolutely dynamite.

Bang on

And they're very hard to find at any level, let alone ours

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Yes apparently we'd have lost to Wrexham last season (even though we haven't lost at home with 11 men since Carlisle).  Suppose the boots on the other foot regarding Charlton, we'd have won that last season, and the one before, and the one before.

aye, was watching on Charlton TV and one of the reasons they were so happy at the end and saw it as a real statement of a result was because of how we've dominated them for the last few seasons

[Dimron]

4 hours ago, Kane57 said:

Exeter is a gimme but it's Huddersfield for me that should be the game now. Win or go, simple.

Three home games in the League and the East London crap out of the way... he's got to get this party started now

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

You need a Conner Bradley frightening teams with is pace and chipping in With a few goals .
We got exposed at orient by diagonal balls behind the wing backs it looks like especially with the Hungarian lad evatt wants him playing more in the opposition half but we also have strikers pulling wide in front of them . I think the players are confused also 

Think that's the issue, he got bradley and was spoilt thinking all wing backs should do that, hence the issues with sadlier, beck, declan john.. etc.. 

The fact that last year we had iredale, Williams, ogbeta, ashworth... and none if them worked out or secured the place.. 

[Tombwfc]

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Not really. Its about how we perform as well, last year the home games v Barnsley (league) and Pompey weren't wins but there was enough to be optimistic about in two entertaining hard fought draws that we could have won.  That's very different to a limp 0-2 defeat.  I think its reasonable to assume IE can't afford to lose any of the next 3 homes and obviously beating Exeter is a minimum requirement. 

 

I think the time for caring about performances has been and gone. Year after year where Evatt can't buy a win against promotion rivals, he needs to show something has changed.

If we do what Derby did to us, get battered and sneak a 1-0 then so be it. But too many times with Evatt mediocre to bad results get written off because our possession stats look good and we could/should have won.

If he can't beat Huddersfield he's not up to the job.

[desperado]

53 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Think that's the issue, he got bradley and was spoilt thinking all wing backs should do that, hence the issues with sadlier, beck, declan john.. etc.. 

The fact that last year we had iredale, Williams, ogbeta, ashworth... and none if them worked out or secured the place.. 

And then we got one (Cogley) who was voted the best in the league and he’s not good enough 🤣

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, desperado said:

And then we got one (Cogley) who was voted the best in the league and he’s not good enough 🤣

I like Cogley but to carry off this mad 5-2-2-1 malarkey or whatever the fuck it is, Cogley needs to be up and down that wing like a bees wing, going on the outside, cutting in etc

The system fails because our wing backs don't have a clue what to do past the halfway line and there's fuck all on inside.

Edited August 25, 2024 by gonzo

[Cheese]

I feel like Evatt and his team have shat it after the Wembley debacle. There was no need to change formation in my opinion. It was key players being out injured that fucked us. The weak mindset thing played a part of course, but I reckon we'd have finished in the top 2 if Baxter, Rico, and Dion had stayed fit.

[desperado]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I like Cogley but to carry off this mad 5-2-2-1 malarkey or whatever the fuck it is, Cogley needs to be up and down that wing like a bees wing, going on the outside, cutting in etc

The system fails because our wing backs don't have a clue what to do past the halfway line and there's fuck all on inside.

Evatt did say in his post match interview yesterday that the WBs were too deep and they need to spend some time on the training pitch (🥱 ) working on them getting further forward 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Think that's the issue, he got bradley and was spoilt thinking all wing backs should do that, hence the issues with sadlier, beck, declan john.. etc.. 

The fact that last year we had iredale, Williams, ogbeta, ashworth... and none if them worked out or secured the place.. 

To be fair our prime wing back period was when we had John and Fossey as we had it going on on both sides 

Bradley was great but that season we struggled to get any one to turn in consistent performancea on the left and it's been an issue ever since as we play lots of different LWBs whilst having a pretty much ever present RWBs

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

To be fair our prime wing back period was when we had John and Fossey as we had it going on on both sides 

Bradley was great but that season we struggled to get any one to turn in consistent performancea on the left and it's been an issue ever since as we play lots of different LWBs whilst having a pretty much ever present RWBs

And Schon solves that problem. But we seem to have thrown the baby out with the bath water, focussing on the wrong end of the pitch.

[FrancisFogarty]

5 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Evatt loves him and possibly the only reason he plays a back 3 is because Santos doesn't take any shit from big strikers and usually handles breaks through the lines fairly well, but too much responsibility has been put on his shoulders both on and off the pitch. We have to remember that there is a good defender in there - put him in a back four, and without the captains armband and he'll be fine.

 I've not been his biggest fan of late, but he's had too much going on to concentrate on learning his game.

[radcliffe white]

Early days but already showing this season will be far more competitive than last 

[onefinfrandsen]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

To be fair our prime wing back period was when we had John and Fossey as we had it going on on both sides 

Bradley was great but that season we struggled to get any one to turn in consistent performancea on the left and it's been an issue ever since as we play lots of different LWBs whilst having a pretty much ever present RWBs

Apart from Bradley think the rwb has been a problem. Cogley ran out of steam towards the end of the season and probably needed resting ideally.

[Wanderlust]

We don't need dedicated wind backs though. There I've said it. Play a solid back four and hardcore midfield and with 3 strikers and there are 6 players who can go wide as the situation demands if you give them the freedom to rotate.

[marple whites]

Disappointing yesterday but got what we deserved.

need to play a strong team Tuesday, go and win an score a few to gain some confidence.

[captainmed]

45 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Early days but already showing this season will be far more competitive than last 

If we didn’t manage promotion last season, we ain’t doing it this time.

[captainmed]

2 minutes ago, marple whites said:

Disappointing yesterday but got what we deserved.

need to play a strong team Tuesday, go and win an score a few to gain some confidence.

Shrewsbury haven’t won a game since March!!!!