Charlton Athletic (A)

[gonzo]

Think it's the like for like subs that do my head in the most.

You're just trying the same thing that's not working but with fresher legs.

Have a bash at changing shape.

[1969]

Just now, Greg_BWFC said:

Only because he overthinks and overcomplicates things.

As @Cheese has said a couple of times,don't really need to rip up last year's formula. We were really 2 wins away from going up 2 ways last.

(Beat Derby away and we finish 2nd).

Obviously the playoff debacle made him think he needed to change things up.

Think we'll end up back in 3-5-2, 5-3-2 before long.

And that should be fine.

For me it's got nothing to do with formation 

It's the slow tempo/walking football and trying to score the perfect team goal 

Just play at pace which we know we can and stop this tippy tappy pedestrian shite and for god's sake have a few pot shots

[Greg_BWFC]

Just now, 1969 said:

For me it's got nothing to do with formation 

It's the slow tempo/walking football and trying to score the perfect team goal 

Just play at pace which we know we can and stop this tippy tappy pedestrian shite and for god's sake have a few pot shots

Yeah, that as well 👍

[Dr. Feelgood]

2 minutes ago, 1969 said:

Just play at pace which we know we can and stop this tippy tappy pedestrian shite and for god's sake have a few pot shots

Exactly. But can we when Santos is there ? It's so fundamental to him that I don't see him changing.

Edited August 26, 2024 by Dr. Feelgood

[1969]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Exactly. But can we when Santos is there ? It's so fundamental to him that I don't see him changing.

At the moment Santos is not the same player he was,why not give that Wycombe lad a go.No player should be a automatic pick if he's out of form and if you don't give others a chance you'll never find out 

It may give Santos the kick up the arse he probably needs 

[Rizlar]

2 minutes ago, 1969 said:

At the moment Santos is not the same player he was,why not give that Wycombe lad a go.No player should be a automatic pick if he's out of form and if you don't give others a chance you'll never find out 

It may give Santos the kick up the arse he probably needs 

Santos and Sheehan are the first name on the team sheet no matter what ! For me after 4 games I have seen enough and had enough of Evatt ball and what annoys me he has 3 other coaches for the first team why ? As it looks to me they don’t have a say ?

[1969]

6 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

Santos and Sheehan are the first name on the team sheet no matter what ! For me after 4 games I have seen enough and had enough of Evatt ball and what annoys me he has 3 other coaches for the first team why ? As it looks to me they don’t have a say ?

If they were in decent form I'd agree but they are not, we've got a good squad and no player should be a automatic pick if out of form 

[Rizlar]

10 minutes ago, 1969 said:

If they were in decent form I'd agree but they are not, we've got a good squad and no player should be a automatic pick if out of form 

I agree with you but if they are fit or not serving a ban they play no matter what .

[ianofcleveleys]

57 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'm with ya. 

I'm nowhere near evatt out but are we saying he's holding us back with this group of players? 

A new manager, with a different approach, wouldn't be guaranteed to make this squad of players a promotion shoe-in, given how geared most of them are to Evatt's mantra.

Having said that, if that new manager looked at each player and looked closely at what they did best before they came to us, he may be able to put a system together that would get more out of some of them for sure. Too many of ours have had good money laid out on them to then be asked to do things that aren't their forte and aren't what drew our attention and other suitors to them. Neither Collins or McAtee are being used to best effect, neither has Vic been. 

The bigger challenge for someone else would be challenging and changing the mentality, we lack leaders and enough in the squad with  the appetite for a physical battle and the resilience to impose themselves on the opposition in pressure situations. Bizarrely, we saw a really promising glimpse of what could be that night at Barnsley in the play offs, only for it to disappear in a puff of smoke and us revert badly to type at Wembley

Evatt's also consuming himself and crippling himself with data, sometimes hiding behind it when in a corner over a performance. For a lad who was a robust, physical, heart on sleeve sort of EFL level defender, it's a bit baffling that he seems to choose not to draw on it as a manager. The result is a side that looks like a team of football spreadsheet nerds and lacks the bravery and personality to own situations, individually and as a collective.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

44 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Only because he overthinks and overcomplicates things.

As @Cheese has said a couple of times,don't really need to rip up last year's formula. We were really 2 wins away from going up 2 ways last.

(Beat Derby away and we finish 2nd).

Obviously the playoff debacle made him think he needed to change things up.

Think we'll end up back in 3-5-2, 5-3-2 before long.

And that should be fine.

To an extent yes, though the midfield did suffer as teams sussed us out.

Either that had to be strengthened and/or an alternative formation as planned B.

Even try the same formation, but move the ball quicker etc.

Now we have the same issue- midfield weak.

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, Stig said:

I can't agree we didn't go up solely because of injuries. Every team has them, Pompey and Derby had them and coped better.

It's just a weak excuse when really we were consistent all season whoever was in our line up - beat the weak teams, struggle against the better teams and "big" matches, especially away.

Something had to change to get us to make the next step, but this formation change seems a backward step if anything.

Agreed.  It seems beyond naive to claim we'd have gone up if only we didn't have injuries (like everyone else).  You'd think Charles and/or Santos had never had a bad game, and that the replacements had never had a good game.  We did lose at home to Bristol, Wigan and Carlisle pre-Christmas, amongst other poor games like Burton and Reading, yet if the team that had failed in those games had played at Derby, Wigan and Blackpool we'd have got results just routinely.

[ianofcleveleys]

8 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Agreed.  It seems beyond naive to claim we'd have gone up if only we didn't have injuries (like everyone else).  You'd think Charles and/or Santos had never had a bad game, and that the replacements had never had a good game.  We did lose at home to Bristol, Wigan and Carlisle pre-Christmas, amongst other poor games like Burton and Reading, yet if the team that had failed in those games had played at Derby, Wigan and Blackpool we'd have got results just routinely.

Derby had to go and sign a free agent in Dwight Gayle just to get them through some games as they'd no fit strikers. They managed pretty well

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

I wasn't, they aren't, I was saying they're a better side than Wrexham. We just played similarly in both games. 

Charlton's first goal was a class finish and a decent free header from Godden, but I wasn't impressed with Charlton generally, in possession.  For all the justified criticism of Santos pass he had their forwards in his pocket prior to the late 2nd.  OK they were well organised defensively but we'll have bigger tests this season.  Without the error from Santos I didn't see them as better than us at all, they didn't seem as sharp up front as in that 3-3 draw here.

[auckland_bwfc]

If Santos was an amazon driver he'd deliver 89 parcels in sublime fashion, but the 90th would be an almighty fuck up.....a glass product delivered in smerithines to the next door neighbour whilst their dog takes great delight bumming his leg whilst wearing a Wigan shirt made for Rottys.

 

[only1swanny]

28 minutes ago, auckland_bwfc said:

If Santos was an amazon driver he'd deliver 89 parcels in sublime fashion, but the 90th would be an almighty fuck up.....a glass product delivered in smerithines to the next door neighbour whilst their dog takes great delight bumming his leg whilst wearing a Wigan shirt made for Rottys.

 

Sums it up.. 

 

[SatanGreavsie]

33 minutes ago, auckland_bwfc said:

If Santos was an amazon driver he'd deliver 89 parcels in sublime fashion, but the 90th would be an almighty fuck up.....a glass product delivered in smerithines to the next door neighbour whilst their dog takes great delight bumming his leg whilst wearing a Wigan shirt made for Rottys.

 

Maybe his 90th parcel goes wrong because we're also expecting him to organise delivery logistics and motivate the other drivers as well, so that preys on his mind.

[Farnywhite]

2 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Maybe his 90th parcel goes wrong because we're also expecting him to organise delivery logistics and motivate the other drivers as well, so that preys on his mind.

Or may be is total lack of concentration in the quieter moments he misses is turn  off on the motorway 

[only1swanny]

12 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Maybe his 90th parcel goes wrong because we're also expecting him to organise delivery logistics and motivate the other drivers as well, so that preys on his mind.

think a fair few were surprised that he kept the captaincy. 

He's one of the best defenders in the league and we need to make sure he can focus on being that. 

At the same time though, as good as he is, in a back 3, the question will always be, is he THAT good..

[onefinfrandsen]

3 hours ago, 1969 said:

For me it's got nothing to do with formation 

It's the slow tempo/walking football and trying to score the perfect team goal 

Just play at pace which we know we can and stop this tippy tappy pedestrian shite and for god's sake have a few pot shots

Frustrating thing about yesterday for me was waiting for us to have ago, going a goal down so early and with 80 odd minutes still to play kept thinking we would at some point up our game. The second half in particular apart from matete when he came on not one player looked like they wanted it. Think I mentioned it somewhere about us looking lost in the system. Hopefully that’s all it was.

[Leyther_Matt]

2 hours ago, auckland_bwfc said:

If Santos was an amazon driver he'd deliver 89 parcels in sublime fashion, but the 90th would be an almighty fuck up.....a glass product delivered in smerithines to the next door neighbour whilst their dog takes great delight bumming his leg whilst wearing a Wigan shirt made for Rottys.

 

If the 90th parcel was for number 18 then he’d go to number 16 and 20 at least a couple of times before delivering to 18 

[wakey]

5 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

If the 90th parcel was for number 18 then he’d go to number 16 and 20 at least a couple of times before delivering to 18 

and back to the depot first

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Then blame the depot manager for giving him the parcel in the first place. 

[fester58]

all i see is week after week, our midfield getting over run, put 3 central midfielders in, boss midfield and youll win the game

[Ryan]

I really like Santos and think he is one of the best defenders in the league but it’s very difficult to argue the fact that he has a big mistake in him and that those mistakes are becoming more and more frequent.
 

I also think he slows us down too much at times. We look a lot better when we play at a higher tempo but he sometimes looks like he’s wading through treacle when he runs and he constantly walks with the ball rather than quickly releasing it and keeping the momentum of the attack moving.

[Rizlar]

15 minutes ago, Ryan said:

I really like Santos and think he is one of the best defenders in the league but it’s very difficult to argue the fact that he has a big mistake in him and that those mistakes are becoming more and more frequent.
 

I also think he slows us down too much at times. We look a lot better when we play at a higher tempo but he sometimes looks like he’s wading through treacle when he runs and he constantly walks with the ball rather than quickly releasing it and keeping the momentum of the attack moving.

Yeah he’s that good nobody has tried to sign him off us ! I honestly think he’s the problem with his slow build up play obviously under orders from IE?