October 24, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Stig said: I'd take Schumacher straight away. And he isn't an unrealistic target This would be my first choice and a great appointment. Plymouth absolutely smashed the League when he was in charge.
October 24, 20241 yr He won't be going anywhere soon. Doubt the board was thinking we'd be getting a win at Brum away. He should have been fucked off after Wembley. It'll take a herculean effort for us not to be able to stumble into the playoffs with the players we have at our disposal. It's just a case of amassing enough points when we're allowed to flat track bully teams. There's fuck all chance I'd be pinning my hopes on us winning the big games or derbies as our players are proven fannies.
October 24, 20241 yr The problem is we’ve played most of the weak teams and still have the better ones to come, including the locals and our history in them isn’t good so for me if we’re not well into the top six by the start of the coming international break then he has to go. Hopefully and I really mean this, he will turn it around and lead us to promotion. It’s entirely in his own hands.
October 24, 20241 yr Just been looking at other teams and formations seems 4-2-3-1 is the most preferred but as we know our tactical genius will only play is 3 CB system , but seeing as we have all these injuries we could easily switch to the system ! Southwood Schon Johnstone Santos DC Sheehan Matete Williams Macatee Collins or Charles Vic.
October 24, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: The problem is we’ve played most of the weak teams and still have the better ones to come, including the locals and our history in them isn’t good so for me if we’re not well into the top six by the start of the coming international break then he has to go. Hopefully and I really mean this, he will turn it around and lead us to promotion. It’s entirely in his own hands. I don't see us being 'well into the top 6' by the next international break, simply based on the number of games between now and then alongside the inevitability of us dropping some points (all teams will). What we do need to see is some evidence of a settled system, positive performances and good results (that starts with 4 points from the next 2 games). His quotes in the BN today, i believe, reveal something about his mindset. As is our way we seem to be hard done by with injuries They are an energetic side, it will be tough, We have to believe we can do the same again We did what we thought would get us a result in this game. We almost got one I was led to believe before the season started there would be less noise and bluster this season... and that can only be a good thing. But most of these quotes suggest someone who doesn't feel totally in control. The chopping and changing of systems, confronting other players on the pitch, etc are all symptomatic of that. I've said before, I really want it to work for him. I doubt we've ever had a manager who is so desperate to succeed. I just can't shake the feeling that, deep down, there's a part of him that has given up the ghost.
October 24, 20241 yr Not the words of a confident manager already looking to make excuses , personally I think he has run out of ideas and as not got a clue how to sort it.
October 24, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, thebells said: I don't see us being 'well into the top 6' by the next international break, simply based on the number of games between now and then alongside the inevitability of us dropping some points (all teams will). What we do need to see is some evidence of a settled system, positive performances and good results (that starts with 4 points from the next 2 games). His quotes in the BN today, i believe, reveal something about his mindset. As is our way we seem to be hard done by with injuries They are an energetic side, it will be tough, We have to believe we can do the same again We did what we thought would get us a result in this game. We almost got one I was led to believe before the season started there would be less noise and bluster this season... and that can only be a good thing. But most of these quotes suggest someone who doesn't feel totally in control. The chopping and changing of systems, confronting other players on the pitch, etc are all symptomatic of that. I've said before, I really want it to work for him. I doubt we've ever had a manager who is so desperate to succeed. I just can't shake the feeling that, deep down, there's a part of him that has given up the ghost. He sounded defeated at periods during the run in last season (he was spouting utter shite at times and sending out a terrible message) and after the Wembley debacle. Him not walking or being potted seems like an exercise in saving face from both parties as I doubt either truly believe he can get us out of this league.
October 24, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: He sounded defeated at periods during the run in last season (he was spouting utter shite at times and sending out a terrible message) and after the Wembley debacle. Him not walking or being potted seems like an exercise in saving face from both parties as I doubt either truly believe he can get us out of this league. I think both 'want' to believe, and still do. It was right, in my opinion, to let him have another go at it this season, as long as he felt he had the drive to do it. He may still believe he has, and (one of) the board may still believe him. I am still, JUST, in the camp that wants to give him more time. But i think the next 2 games will be pivotal. Not just in terms of results, but formation / team selection / performance / etc.
October 24, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, thebells said: I think both 'want' to believe, and still do. It was right, in my opinion, to let him have another go at it this season, as long as he felt he had the drive to do it. He may still believe he has, and (one of) the board may still believe him. I am still, JUST, in the camp that wants to give him more time. But i think the next 2 games will be pivotal. Not just in terms of results, but formation / team selection / performance / etc. Where I'm at.
October 24, 20241 yr The guy has no idea that what he's doing is wrong, he thinks he has a winning formular and if you don't get behind it whole hog, you're an idiot. He has a terminal case of main player syndrome and i think he thinks Bolton is just a stepping stone. He should have gone and retained some goodwill and fond memories after Huddersfield, but he chose to hang on and our current leadership team seem almost too cowardly to do anything about it.
October 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Zog1 said: The guy has no idea that what he's doing is wrong, he thinks he has a winning formular and if you don't get behind it whole hog, you're an idiot. He has a terminal case of main player syndrome and i think he thinks Bolton is just a stepping stone. He should have gone and retained some goodwill and fond memories after Huddersfield, but he chose to hang on and our current leadership team seem almost too cowardly to do anything about it. Tbf all that is just in your mind. I'd say he knows exactly what's wrong seeing as he's spent all summer over complicating his mind trying to fix it. We've had 3 different systems this season.
October 24, 20241 yr The problem is unfixable. The problem is that players at this level can't play the football he wants to play and he refuses to change. League one is simple: - Hard man in the middle with a creative ball player next to him - Pacy wingers - Reliable finisher Against good teams you look to counter and against rubbish ones you press. These allow you to grind out positive results against teams as good as you or better. We can't do that right now and while IE is the manager sure we might batter a Cambridge occasionally, we'll never reliably be able to pick up points and thus promotion is basically impossible, bar just plain luck. Edited October 24, 20241 yr by Zog1
October 24, 20241 yr Some very good points made above already. Yes i would love him to succeed, forgetting his tactics, stubbornness and bizarre signing for a minute, i believe he has the passion and best interests of the club at heart and has enough of a twatty personality to make us be noticed and stand out amongst hoards of other also ran anonymous lower league managers. However, the credit he accumulated in the early 3 seasons has all but gone and after Wembley it would have been no surprise if he had said goodbye, would have expected it and said fair enough lets all still be friends. He chose to give it another go, brave decision really knowing he was expected to fly out the blocks and boss this league. After a couple of bad results the pressure was on and after Huddersfield the writing was on the wall, even he must have been surprised he kept his job. After an easy run of games things were looking up and the pressure eased, now suddenly the pressure with injuries and tougher fixtures looming is going to come again, this really really is time to show if you want it or not and i guess we'll find out if the bottle boys want to play for the manager and the shirt or are just happy to be 3rd division mid-table nobody's, amongst an ocean of other lower league dross.
October 24, 20241 yr Author 50 minutes ago, thebells said: I think both 'want' to believe, and still do. It was right, in my opinion, to let him have another go at it this season, as long as he felt he had the drive to do it. He may still believe he has, and (one of) the board may still believe him. I am still, JUST, in the camp that wants to give him more time. But i think the next 2 games will be pivotal. Not just in terms of results, but formation / team selection / performance / etc. Good post mate. Exactly where I am at too 👍
October 24, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, desperado said: Good post mate. Exactly where I am at too 👍 Lose the next two they have to get rid though
October 24, 20241 yr Regarding sacking Evatt, I wonder if there is an affordability problem, here. He has a very good rolling contract, which will cost to be paid up, as well as B shares that, presumably, will have to be purchased from him. Add to that, the cost of bringing in a new manager, especially if already employed or with a settlement that needs to be returned to a previous employer, if reemployed (Schumacher?). Therefore, resignation or poaching (as per Hart) would be a much more affordable for the club. By the same token, can Evatt afford to resign, thereby forgoing his very generous contract terms? I won’t comment on his personal finances but, without another offer lined up, I don’t think a resignation will be forthcoming from him. if correct, this would lead to a stalemate, unless the ubiquitous mutual agreement can be made.
October 24, 20241 yr I'm lead to believe finances aren't an issue. Edited October 24, 20241 yr by gonzo
October 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Rival Son said: Regarding sacking Evatt, I wonder if there is an affordability problem, here. If we fail to move forward because we can't afford to stay still we're in a pretty state of affairs.
October 24, 20241 yr As part of a genuine debate, 2 questions from to anyone favouring sticking with IE. What is there in his managerial career that makes you think he is capable or willing to change sufficiently to impact and improve our performances ? Based on anything or everything he has sad and done this season, in particular with regards to his own state of mind makes you think he is the right man to live the current feeling around the club, motivate players and to a lesser extent to believe in him, his systems and ideas ? I am very reluctantly in the Evatt Out gang, but feel for him after the time he has been with us and what he has achieved but it just seems he has run out of the inspiration and drive to pick the team up. Not saying he has 'lost' the dressing room but everything is very flat. However do we hear that in professional sport you have to be on top of your game 24/7 you can not easily switch it on. Can anyone honestly say that we are performing to the level we expected this season let alone what we hope for ?
October 24, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Rival Son said: Regarding sacking Evatt, I wonder if there is an affordability problem, here. He has a very good rolling contract, which will cost to be paid up, as well as B shares that, presumably, will have to be purchased from him. Add to that, the cost of bringing in a new manager, especially if already employed or with a settlement that needs to be returned to a previous employer, if reemployed (Schumacher?). Therefore, resignation or poaching (as per Hart) would be a much more affordable for the club. By the same token, can Evatt afford to resign, thereby forgoing his very generous contract terms? I won’t comment on his personal finances but, without another offer lined up, I don’t think a resignation will be forthcoming from him. if correct, this would lead to a stalemate, unless the ubiquitous mutual agreement can be made. Regarding sacking Evatt, I wonder if there is an affordability problem, here No (but of course a consideration - likely others go if he goes, so not a decision to take lightly) By the same token, can Evatt afford to resign Almost certainly not - I bet he's a little stuck 😉 Unless the ubiquitous mutual agreement can be made Inevitably. Worth considering, also, that change is never easy. We may well get a new manager bounce but there are endless statistical studies out there that show new managers rarely make miraculously quick changes. I mentioned elsewhere that, if Evatt did go, I'd prefer a solid experienced head in for the rest of the season whilst the board and investors plot their next move. Big Sam, Neil Warnock etc aren't really who I am thinking of. Yesterday's men and probably too pragmatic for this squad. Tony Mowbray, Dean Smith are the types I'm thinking. Not ones to get the juices flowing, but would come and get a short term tune out of some of these players I believe. Anyway, that's speculation. We have a manager.
October 24, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Rizlar said: Just been looking at other teams and formations seems 4-2-3-1 is the most preferred but as we know our tactical genius will only play is 3 CB system , but seeing as we have all these injuries we could easily switch to the system ! Southwood Schon Johnstone Santos DC Sheehan Matete Williams Macatee Collins or Charles Vic. I think one of the most frustrating things on Tuesday was when we made the last and took Williams off, we replaced him with another defender. It just looked an obvious chance to bring Lolos on go to 4 3 3. With Cogley playing at centre half, easy for him to move to right back. It is that lack of risk that seems to take over. If we were on a regular basis coming back and winning games it would make sense but we do nt. The idea we should rip everything up and start again is crazy but the idea the system is perfect and can not be tweaked is equally deluded.
October 24, 20241 yr 42 minutes ago, Ani said: What is there in his managerial career that makes you think he is capable or willing to change sufficiently to impact and improve our performances ? I’m not quite in the Evatt out gang, but far enough from it to say that’s a little harsh. Particularly when you consider the post-Christmas turnaround in League Two, the late season push in year one in League One and play offs year one where we were far from a cert for top 6. In keeping with my opening sentence I do feel duty bound that the credit from the above occasions is very much wearing thin, if not gone already.
October 24, 20241 yr Popular Post I've backed him throughout, but I've just had enough. I might have held out a bit longer had he been remotely likeable, but he's stubborn and arrogant and I'm sick of the "Woe is me" victim approach to defeats. It's just never his fault.
October 24, 20241 yr Author 29 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: Lose the next two they have to get rid though I agree. To be honest if we lose Saturday and the manner of that defeat is reflective of all these inconsistencies we’ve seen this season, then 1 defeat may be enough. The issue for me now, is that I was previously (last season I’m talking about) content to pass off defeats and his explanations as valid reasons which I understood. This season it’s far more difficult to accept on the basis that we’ve lost our identity, we seem (for the first time in my eyes) to be going backwards and this Plan B (2.1 or whatever the fuck he wants to call it next) seems totally ineffective.
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