2 hours ago, L/H White said:

Keep

Collins, Randall, Morley, Forino, Dempsey, Baxter, Southwood, Schon, Toal, Tutu, Forrester, Cogley, (Vic, injury means we cant' get rid)

Get rid, Mcatee, Santos, Jones, Sheehan, Thomasson, Gomes, Lolos, Johnston

prob missed a couple and not included the loans 

must remember nlundlu bollocks is coming back 

Bit off for me.

Baxter seems to be on his way- no contract news whatsoever. 

Plus he seems to be way off form.

You've got Dempsey- he may still need surgery, isn't getting any younger and maybe a risk beyond his contract. Depends upon fitness assessment over the summer.

Tutu- injuries will also be a concern.

Not sure Schon is favoured by the manager, nor Randall, nor Lolos.

As SS says, getting rid could be difficult too.

Tomo stays- physicality alongside him will help his game.

Sheehan may be one to go to make room, as he has less contract time left, but I'd prefer to keep him over Randall from their relative contributions.

The latter may come good, but does the manager see him as a fit, given his no 10 comments?

 

Aside from how SS's hands are tied by time to run on so many contracts, the other factor in the keep or get rid stakes is what sort of system he's leaning towards, and does he think this or that player can play in it. 

In an ideal world, those I'd keep can be counted on the fingers of one hand, in the real world SS is having to deal with I'd let go all those out of contract, aim to loan out Sharples Ahmed, Lolos and Nlundulu and go from there. We might get bids for one or two, possibly Sheehan and Morley, which might free SS up a bit more. 

Obviously a fantasy list with only 3 outfield players out of contract but the ones I would keep would be

southwood has a back up keeper ( is dealing with crossing is poor so new number 1 required ) 

schon and Cogley 

forester and toal  

thomasson , Dempsey , Morley 

collins 

9 players ( do have doubts over forester , toal  and Dempsey for fitness though ) Sell the rest  

Edited April 22, 20251 yr by Farnywhite

At this moment in time, I am having difficulty in finding a case for most of them. Southwold is fine, forino hasn't had a full season and looks like he could be okay, tommasson works hard. Morley came back and did well and maybe collins. The rest either have injury issues are just dissappear too readily in too many matches. 

4 hours ago, L/H White said:

Keep

Randall

This is your shittest wind-up to date.

2 hours ago, tomski said:

I find the clamour for Southwood over Baxter a bit Joe Riley. 

I think with a reset Baxter can be a real asset in this division. 

New keeper coach in and some confidence built. 

A couple new defenders to grow with. I’d 100% sign him up. As cheese said Keepers are not our issue. We won’t be able to find a keeper as good as Baxter season 1, surely working on him is our best option?


 

 

the 1st, if you score its a great free kick, if youre defending its how the fuck has that ball been allowed to hit the deck - definitely on the defence for me - baxter can't stick or twist

the 4th is one of those things where their chap has hit it perfectly and caught baxter out - is he at fault, definitely...does it make him shit, does it fuck

i think its just a perfect hit

as somebody mentioned, its how we set up, looking for baxter to cover as we defend so high

 

on southwood, i like him, but i still worry at his lack of inches - keep thinking back to him flapping at shrewsbury and bristol

1 hour ago, ianofcleveleys said:

what sort of system he's leaning towards, and does he think this or that player can play in it.

Johnston comes into that conversation

ive heard him described as weak, but id say he's owt but

what he is, again, is a bit small and not great in the air either

 

One of 3, probably Ok, 2 CBS, im much happier with Toal and Forino - if not fucked!!!

38 minutes ago, DazBob said:

This is your shittest wind-up to date.

He isn't going to be offloaded after only being here for 6 month for just over million quid dullard and we still haven't seen him in his best position for a run of games, dullard 

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bit off for me.

Baxter seems to be on his way- no contract news whatsoever. 

Plus he seems to be way off form.

You've got Dempsey- he may still need surgery, isn't getting any younger and maybe a risk beyond his contract. Depends upon fitness assessment over the summer.

Tutu- injuries will also be a concern.

Not sure Schon is favoured by the manager, nor Randall, nor Lolos.

As SS says, getting rid could be difficult too.

Tomo stays- physicality alongside him will help his game.

Sheehan may be one to go to make room, as he has less contract time left, but I'd prefer to keep him over Randall from their relative contributions.

The latter may come good, but does the manager see him as a fit, given his no 10 comments?

 

He’s likely to be one of the few we’d be able to get some cash for. How much and who to, who knows, but based on recent history he’s one of our more valuable assets.

With that in mind, and let’s say a similar offer to last time came in, would you still keep? I wouldn’t mind him as a back up centre mid, but given the likely struggle to free up enough spaces / add some cash to the coffers, I’d be listening to offers should we get any (and that goes for all of them).

51 minutes ago, Casino said:

Johnston comes into that conversation

ive heard him described as weak, but id say he's owt but

what he is, again, is a bit small and not great in the air either

 

One of 3, probably Ok, 2 CBS, im much happier with Toal and Forino - if not fucked!!!

I thought he looked more comfortable when we played a back four v Rotherham, he's lost a yard of pace since his injury and being dragged out to cover the big gaps behind our  LWBs exposes him a bit too much. In a 4 with a good sized LB, as Murphy was, he might still be alright

All our centre backs have a decent records in League 1 before us, if were going to play with 4 at the back, i suggest they're the last place we should be investing in. 

 

46 minutes ago, Zog1 said:

All our centre backs have a decent records in League 1 before us, if were going to play with 4 at the back, i suggest they're the last place we should be investing in. 

 

Have you seen our 'defending' recently?

With the current squad and some new additions I'd like to see 4-2-3-1 next season or some variation of where we have a back 4 and 2 deeper midfielders 

We have plenty CBs but would need a new LB and back ups for both full backs 

2 mids could be GT, Morley and new faces

Not sure where it would leave Sheehan but I'm over him and Dempsey 

Collins, Randall and Tutu could play the 3 but new options here are also needed

We need a new 1 

And they all need to try much harder

12 minutes ago, Zico said:

 We need a new 1 

Desperately.

Having someone up top who troubles defenders and can keep hold of the ball will instantly improve us massively.

Defending starts from the front ... which is why it's no surprise we ship so many goals.

We all want a thorough shake up. We can give free transfers to the likes of Santos and Jones. There are also the returning loanees in the shape of Matete, Murphy and Etete. That's five slots - but to make the changes in the depth we need I think we need eight or nine. Within those additions we need to be adding physique, pace and leadership/character.

The question therefore becomes how we create further space for new arrivals. To be saleable they need to be proper assets who other clubs will covet but who we won't miss. That sounds like a contradiction in terms but given Evatt's predeliction for signing the same type of player over and over there are possibilities.

• We aren't going to sell Randall given how soon he is with us. Thus the logic is that Sheehan has to be sold. As a full current Welsh international you'd have to think there'd be bidders. However he is now 30 so you are probably talking about £200-£350K
• We have to sell Nlundulu even if it's for 20p. Victor would have been top of this list had he been fit
• Morley is of a much younger vintage than Sheehan and having impressed at Wycombe he would fetch a few bob. Whether we sell both is a different matter. Would there be any takers for Thomason? I doubt it at Championship level. 
• Schon is yet another player of the Evatt template, ill suited to League 1 football. There would surely be teams on the continent who would consider him as a recruit even if not quite at the price Evatt paid.

McAtee is probably too early in to his deal to sell. I do think with him he is one of those players who only thrives in certain systems/teams. CMG is hard to assess - he's never fit. Which would make him hard to sell! As a full Norn Irish international there'd be interest in Toal and we certainly need more of a mixture of varieties of central defenders.

I think we will successfully sell a few. Whether it is soon enough in the window to create space for Schumacher's new recruits in bulk who knows.

Fuck me it's going to be a long few months this.

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Fuck me it's going to be a long few months this.

Bonnie and Lily gone home?

I've warmed to Schon over any our other recruits this year, just seems a decent lad and has some scrappiness to his attitude. So I'd be reluctant to see him go.

But if we can fetch something for him then off he goes, same with the rest of them.

21 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

We all want a thorough shake up. We can give free transfers to the likes of Santos and Jones. There are also the returning loanees in the shape of Matete, Murphy and Etete. That's five slots - but to make the changes in the depth we need I think we need eight or nine. Within those additions we need to be adding physique, pace and leadership/character.

The question therefore becomes how we create further space for new arrivals. To be saleable they need to be proper assets who other clubs will covet but who we won't miss. That sounds like a contradiction in terms but given Evatt's predeliction for signing the same type of player over and over there are possibilities.

• We aren't going to sell Randall given how soon he is with us. Thus the logic is that Sheehan has to be sold. As a full current Welsh international you'd have to think there'd be bidders. However he is now 30 so you are probably talking about £200-£350K
• We have to sell Nlundulu even if it's for 20p. Victor would have been top of this list had he been fit
• Morley is of a much younger vintage than Sheehan and having impressed at Wycombe he would fetch a few bob. Whether we sell both is a different matter. Would there be any takers for Thomason? I doubt it at Championship level. 
• Schon is yet another player of the Evatt template, ill suited to League 1 football. There would surely be teams on the continent who would consider him as a recruit even if not quite at the price Evatt paid.

McAtee is probably too early in to his deal to sell. I do think with him he is one of those players who only thrives in certain systems/teams. CMG is hard to assess - he's never fit. Which would make him hard to sell! As a full Norn Irish international there'd be interest in Toal and we certainly need more of a mixture of varieties of central defenders.

I think we will successfully sell a few. Whether it is soon enough in the window to create space for Schumacher's new recruits in bulk who knows.

Got me thinking about GT 

He could've gone too Bristol City not long ago

They're looking good a play off spot 

I doubt they'd pay £1m for him now

Think we'd miss very few, but would like to keep Collins, Tutu and Dempsey, don't really think I have a favourite player, but that might be being snobby to league 1 players, saying that I did like Afolayan and not endgame Charles, GT as his moments of class and there are positives in most, but as a collective, the more OUT the better, the club needs personnel change, which may need 2 or more windows to sort, but if the majority remain how is SS changing them from back to back season bottlers to a team capable mentally and ability wise at getting promotion, will a handful of new players do that along with a different approach? it's defo gonna be an interesting window.

52 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Bonnie and Lily gone home?

They said I went sideways and backwards too much

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

He’s likely to be one of the few we’d be able to get some cash for. How much and who to, who knows, but based on recent history he’s one of our more valuable assets.

With that in mind, and let’s say a similar offer to last time came in, would you still keep? I wouldn’t mind him as a back up centre mid, but given the likely struggle to free up enough spaces / add some cash to the coffers, I’d be listening to offers should we get any (and that goes for all of them).

You're not his biggest fan though.

I'd turn it round and ask, can I get better for whatever he'd bring in?

Always a risk with any new player, and although the answer to the question above is always "potentially", neither he, nor any of them are likely to bring in big fees, which greatly restricts your options.

As his commitment and effort isn't questioned, for me that adds value that a new transfer isn't guaranteed. 

He seems a fit for us, and as he's already turned a move down, it may not appeal to him to simply go to anyone who meets a valuation. Presumably a new club could see that as a bit of a negative, in that he may not feel as comfortable.

We knew FV were all about developing talent, and selling on as part of growing, but I don't see anyone generating big cash to allow us further investment in that model.

Therefore, I reckon getting players on long contacts/higher wages off the books if they're not likely to play much, will be more effective. 

Use the squad places and wages to allow SS to bring in "solid" reliable players he knows could do a job, together with any young ones he may be able to bring on.

I really don't see FV splashing out again this time- they allowed the money to be spent early once before, and it hasn't worked. 

That would mean some ducking and diving, and wage management. 

55 minutes ago, Zico said:

Got me thinking about GT 

He could've gone too Bristol City not long ago

They're looking good a play off spot 

I doubt they'd pay £1m for him now

Probably not, though they could afford it if they thought he had the potential. 

They won't come back though I don't think- once bitten and all that.

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Probably not, though they could afford it if they thought he had the potential. 

They won't come back though I don't think- once bitten and all that.

More to the point

I don't think any team from the championship would bid £1m for him

there won't be any queues from league 2 teams for any of our players, never mind the championship 

bunch of chokers