2 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

So with better everything, how come he’s got worse results?

We had this conversation last month and the outcome was we all agreed we’d wait to see if it improved.

Hopefully, it’s a work-in-progress and not the Emperor’s New Clothes but whichever it turns out to be, it will be entertaining and we’re stuck with it for now.

Stuffing Wigan would be a step in the right direction.

We aren't worse, we've lost once and have dominated nearly every game. Some wrinkles still need ironing out but we are heading in the right direction. 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

So you think I'm wrong ?

No. I think results have to improve and SS has every opportunity to improve them / no excuses left other than the work in progress thing and that will only last so long - and if results don’t improve we’re stuck with it so I really hope and pray they do.

9 minutes ago, Arrested development said:

We aren't worse, we've lost once and have dominated nearly every game. Some wrinkles still need ironing out but we are heading in the right direction. 

I’d like to think so too but the table doesn’t lie unfortunately and neither does 4 wins in 20. We look impressive and have all the good looking moves but…

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7 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

I’d like to think so too but the table doesn’t lie unfortunately and neither does 4 wins in 20. We look impressive and have all the good looking moves but…

1 defeat in the last 12 competitive matches isn't bad though 

4 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

1 defeat in the last 12 competitive matches isn't bad though 

True - that’s why we can hope that we’re heading in the right direction but promotion is decided by league points and we need wins where it matters, hopefully starting tomorrow.

Im sorry this whole debate about us needing wins has resurfaced, especially on the eve of this match, but someone else brought it up and so I’m going to leave it until we have a definitive answer as I’ve no idea ATM whether or not SS will come through for us. 

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13 hours ago, Zog1 said:

While nobody is calling for anyones heads and it'd be insane to do so right now. If we don't start getting some results then surely the very first wiff some pressure must start to be applied.

For me the defence and midfield are working, we're defending well, the ball is going from/ through midfield and is being recycled into the forwards. 

It's just the final 3rd where things just aren't clicking. Potential real opportunities are being stuff out in what seemingly seems to be an attempt to score wonder goals almost non stop.

While it goes down on paper as a shot and looks good stats wise, it's proability of going in or even beating the first man is very low and ultimately the real opportunity to score is snuffed out. It's a Statistical Mirage, like Evatt's possession stats. 

I'm worried the only time it looks like it clicks is when we're against 10 men or less.

I really want SS to fix this but i'm not sure he sees the problem and if we don't fix it soon we're looking at mid table if we're lucky. 

You've made some reasonable points, but bookended them by saying it'd be insane to call for anyone's head, whilst then saying pressure must start to be applied if we don't get a result and you're not sure SS can see the problem. It does sound a little inconsistent.

Anyway, if he does go and you can see the problem he doesn't, the job will be there for you to take.

Zog 1's super white army.

 

28 minutes ago, thebells said:

You've made some reasonable points, but bookended them by saying it'd be insane to call for anyone's head, whilst then saying pressure must start to be applied if we don't get a result and you're not sure SS can see the problem. It does sound a little inconsistent.

Anyway, if he does go and you can see the problem he doesn't, the job will be there for you to take.

Zog 1's super white army.

 

If we're stuck around 10th come January i think questions have to start being asked, this is the sort of thing that slowly ramps up over time, When i say the start of pressure it's like 0.01%, if you had to give it a measure. 

Out of curiosity i had a look via highlights how his team set up under Plymouth, Stoke and us, the difference is quite profound.

Key difference seems to be lots of play right in that centre attacking midfield area, where balls are passed through to the stikers in on goal or out to the wingers, who then cross, pass or shoot. 

Our play seems to be for the ball to go direct to the wingers, This isn't working, and it never will, reliably. 

 

1 hour ago, Wanderlust said:

True - that’s why we can hope that we’re heading in the right direction but promotion is decided by league points and we need wins where it matters, hopefully starting tomorrow.

Im sorry this whole debate about us needing wins has resurfaced, especially on the eve of this match, but someone else brought it up and so I’m going to leave it until we have a definitive answer as I’ve no idea ATM whether or not SS will come through for us. 

anyway

anything to report from the wigan forums?

4-0 @ 30/1  & 4-1 @ 33/1, the bookies don't seem to fancy us but I still think that with an early goal, we'll gub someone. These'll do.

45 minutes ago, Zico said:

anyway

anything to report from the wigan forums?

Yes.   15 of them have got their new Lonsdale and slazenger vests ready to take the town hall steps singing 'bolton get battered '   .    Again they are gonna claim this as a result.    

It's like fat Frank's crew turning up at leigh library and claiming the same 

46 minutes ago, Zico said:

anyway

anything to report from the wigan forums?

4 straight top 8 finishes which he singularly failed to mention, presumably because they don't fit in with his blinkered view of the world when buttering up opponents forums. 

Europe discussed as though we had similar experiences and outcomes which is ridiculous. 

Poor show yet again. 

Anyone know any bar in Sunny Beach that will have the game on ?

5-0 @ 50/1

Wigan/Bolton at 22/1

SKY have us clear favourites

No scoreline predictions from me. I am sure many will predict 1-1 given our recent form. 

I will however observe that we have not had a penalty in the league as yet and we have not scored a very early goal.

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

No scoreline predictions from me. I am sure many will predict 1-1 given our recent form. 

I will however observe that we have not had a penalty in the league as yet and we have not scored a very early goal.

We don't score many in the first half!

Wouldn't mind betting Wigan will attempt to boot ACD and Gale all over the park tomorrow.

We need a decent Ref.

COYFWM.

16 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Wouldn't mind betting Wigan will attempt to boot ACD and Gale all over the park tomorrow.

We need a decent Ref.

COYFWM.

Well, it's ... 

Ben Speedie (a Scouser)

Mark Cunliffe and Bradley Hall Assistants

Fourth Official: Jamie O'Connor

So far this seadon he's refereed 9 EFL matches 

Issuing 25 Yellows, 2 Reds.

6 hours ago, jmjhb said:

1 defeat in the last 12 competitive matches isn't bad though 

 

Not really. Draw every game and you'll go undefeated but might get relegated too.

1 defeat in 10 in the league, but at a PPG of 1.3. I'd say that is 'bad'.

4 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Not really. Draw every game and you'll go undefeated but might get relegated too.

1 defeat in 10 in the league, but at a PPG of 1.3. I'd say that is 'bad'.

My point was you can easily cherry-pick statistics to suit your narrative

1 hour ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Wouldn't mind betting Wigan will attempt to boot ACD and Gale all over the park tomorrow.

We need a decent Ref

Come on let's keep it realistic

57 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Well, it's ... 

Ben Speedie (a Scouser)

Mark Cunliffe and Bradley Hall Assistants

Fourth Official: Jamie O'Connor

So far this seadon he's refereed 9 EFL matches 

Issuing 25 Yellows, 2 Reds.

Any stats on ratio of right to wrong decisions? 😀

3 hours ago, Chadderton said:

Anyone know any bar in Sunny Beach that will have the game on ?

Happy Duck.

 

I’d take a point now.

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d take a point now.

Fuck that 

No 

42 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Any stats on ratio of right to wrong decisions? 😀

All wrong. Every damn one. Which makes him equal best of all referees.