Dr. Feelgood Posted March 5 Posted March 5 So keeping playoffs down to 8th & approx 10-12 teams in with a shout right up to the end. Exciting possibilities for more clubs, for longer. I get it, I just hate it. Quote
desperado Posted March 5 Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I went off at a tangent as usual, but I meant to also add that the "one off game" is asking for an undeserved shock to happen. Everyone says the play offs is a lottery but with 2 legged games its rare for the worse team over the 180 minutes to win. With a one off game, it just takes a dodgy sending off or penalty in the first half (and you can see us being the victims!) and 46 games go up in smoke because someone like Wycombe or Peterboro are capable of shit housing their way to a 1-0 win against 10 men in one game. Very unjust. 15 points clear and one foul or pass from Bonham to Sheehan can effectively decide the season. I’m not saying you are wrong at all. Everything you say is true. And i Understand why you and many feel like this, you’ve explained it well. But that list of things you say below, also is the case now and was the case in 1987 when the play offs were introduced. - one off game" is asking for an undeserved shock to happen - With a one off game, it just takes a dodgy sending off or penalty in the first half (and you can see us being the victims!) or an injury - see Maghoma - 46 games go up in smoke - shit housing their way to a 1-0 win against 10 men in one game. - 15 points clear and one foul or pass from Bonham to Sheehan can effectively decide the season - could very much happen in May this year Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, desperado said: I’m not saying you are wrong at all. Everything you say is true. And i Understand why you and many feel like this, you’ve explained it well. But that list of things you say below, also is the case now and was the case in 1987 when the play offs were introduced. - one off game" is asking for an undeserved shock to happen - With a one off game, it just takes a dodgy sending off or penalty in the first half (and you can see us being the victims!) or an injury - see Maghoma - 46 games go up in smoke - shit housing their way to a 1-0 win against 10 men in one game. - 15 points clear and one foul or pass from Bonham to Sheehan can effectively decide the season - could very much happen in May this year To be honest I probably got my lines crossed, as the one off game isn't the top teams, its just those finishing 7th and 8th, so not as bad as the thought of finishing 3rd and losing a one off game. My mistake. I still don't agree with it, but hey ho, it is what it is. What I would say to those that enjoy the excitement of teams in the bottom half still having a chance of promotion with 2 months left, is how far would they take it? Top 10, top 12 in the play offs? The line has to be drawn somewhere and 6th seemed about right. Quote
desperado Posted March 5 Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: To be honest I probably got my lines crossed, as the one off game isn't the top teams, its just those finishing 7th and 8th, so not as bad as the thought of finishing 3rd and losing a one off game. My mistake. I still don't agree with it, but hey ho, it is what it is. What I would say to those that enjoy the excitement of teams in the bottom half still having a chance of promotion with 2 months left, is how far would they take it? Top 10, top 12 in the play offs? The line has to be drawn somewhere and 6th seemed about right. We’ll all be buzzin next year when we’re sat in 12/13th in the championship, with the prospect of facing Tottenham at Wembley to go up to the premier 😂 Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 5 Posted March 5 29 minutes ago, desperado said: We’ll all be buzzin next year when we’re sat in 12/13th in the championship, with the prospect of facing Tottenham at Wembley to go up to the premier 😂 How on earth does any club prepare, in terms of squad etc. Mid table team, nips in at the last minute, with little evidence that they're good enough to go up, let alone survive. Almost mission impossible, and potentially a deep hole for a manager: gets up by a couple of freaky results, then effectively is left with virtually no chance of building a squad remotely capable. Could end up losing a job even more readily. Manager's graveyard. Quote
desperado Posted March 5 Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: How on earth does any club prepare, in terms of squad etc. Mid table team, nips in at the last minute, with little evidence that they're good enough to go up, let alone survive. Almost mission impossible, and potentially a deep hole for a manager: gets up by a couple of freaky results, then effectively is left with virtually no chance of building a squad remotely capable. Could end up losing a job even more readily. Manager's graveyard. I don’t think it’s massively different to the same scenarios we have now. Folk above have mentioned Sunderland and Oxford as recent examples who break that mold. And if a side in 8th wins 4 games at the end of the season to get promotion, who’s to say they won’t make a fist of it. Going up as champions to the prem in 97, I thought we had a better chance of staying in the prem than when we went up in the play-offs in 2001 Quote
freds dad Posted March 5 Posted March 5 It should be 3rd place go straight to the final, 5th play 6th and the winner plays 4th. The winner of that play 3rd in the final so teams are incentivised to finish higher. Quote
Stig Posted March 5 Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: Agree totally, players in 10th position with a game to go can end up getting promotion. Teams in 13th in March win a game and start saying they're having a good season coz they're 5 points off the play offs! The term "play offs" goes from signifying success to something that's achieved by a third of all teams however bad they are. On another note - this means our seasons will end even earlier. I'm no fan of the season carrying on till mid May etc, but for it to finish around mid April is another nail in the coffin of our football season, more Saturdays without a game and more cramming games into midweek. This is what I was looking for and didn't spot in the articles as I was thinking to myself "how will they accommodate another game and still have the may bank holiday weekend for the final?" So an extra midweek game during winter to finish the week earlier - I'm not on board with that. Quote
Stig Posted March 5 Posted March 5 The whole premise of this is leading to fewer "dead rubbers" during the regular season but if you expand the play offs it also becomes harder to drop out of them. Not sure they'll get the reduction in meaningless games expected when 2 or 3 of the play offs placed teams start resting players if they're secure. Home advantage is less of a motivational tool than ending your season Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, desperado said: I don’t think it’s massively different to the same scenarios we have now. Folk above have mentioned Sunderland and Oxford as recent examples who break that mold. And if a side in 8th wins 4 games at the end of the season to get promotion, who’s to say they won’t make a fist of it. Going up as champions to the prem in 97, I thought we had a better chance of staying in the prem than when we went up in the play-offs in 2001 I do. Business planning will be impossible for a mid table team. Someone like Cardiff and Lincoln can pretty much have their squad assessed, targets identified and budgets set. A play off team in the format now has a more difficult time, but with an idea that much of the squad will likely be taken forward. A mid table team, with no thoughts of going up, suddenly finding themselves nipping in last minute may have to have a plan b that looks at replacing most of its squad to have the slightest chance. If it wasn't going to be much different, then why not extend it further? Just ends up making a mockery of the league set up we currently have. Quote
desperado Posted March 5 Posted March 5 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: If it wasn't going to be much different, then why not extend it further? Because there’s a tipping point which makes it a farce. You think it’s there, I’m not sure. I just think there’s a rational balance of opinion out there which isn’t as against this as you and others are and Im just putting it out there. Thats all. Quote
DazBob Posted March 5 Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, desperado said: Because there’s a tipping point which makes it a farce. You think it’s there, I’m not sure. I just think there’s a rational balance of opinion out there which isn’t as against this as you and others are and Im just putting it out there. Thats all. Aye. It wasn't all that long ago (depending on your age) that the thought of a team finishing 6th could go up was preposterous. I do think, however, if so many more teams are involved, there should be a big advantage for the team that finished third (and maybe fourth). It does tickle me when people say why change something that isn't broken ... When the playoffs only came into play less than 40 years ago. Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted March 6 Posted March 6 I’ve done the long-winded play offs in Scotland and bloody hell it’s a right pain in the arse with so many extra games to pay for and sort with work etc at such short notice Quote
jayjayoghani Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) They've just changed the playoffs in AFL to the top 10 teams. Trying to achieve the same objective, fewer dead games but with no relegation that is tricky. So 10 out of 18 teams playoff. And 10th can win the whole thing! The playoffs are weighted to suit higher finishing teams which I think the Football League playoffs could improve. Edited March 6 by jayjayoghani Quote
gonzo Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Tried it NL last season didn't they. York didn't go up with 96 points. Sure Southend finished 7th and made the final 20 points behind or summet Quote
bwfc4ife Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Be reet when we go up this year, finish 8th next season and have an outside shout of going back up to the premier league 😎 Quote
bolton in bedford Posted March 6 Posted March 6 So as it stands, Derby in 8th winning 14 and losing 12 with a GD of +6. Birmingham two points behind having only won one more game than they’ve lost on 0 GD. We see every year at least one team struggle and get relegated when they’ve been 20 plus points ahead of the play off teams. You get the odd team who have money behind them or carry momentum in the the premier league for a season but the gap is so big. Will see teams barely getting 15 points in the prem, but then get parachute payments making the gap between the prem and championship, and the gap between the championship and league 1 get bigger and bigger. Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted March 6 Posted March 6 11 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Just ends up making a mockery of the league set up we currently have. Last year in the Championship, going in to the last day of games Sheff U were 13 points ahead of the team (Sunderland) who actually went up. You can debate how fair that is - but "tough" is I guess a not unreasonable respone. However, at that point Boro were 25 points behind and would have made the new playoffs had they won their last game. I think it's fair to say getting the chance to pip a team you are 25 points behind after 45 games is a bit rich? Quote
Whitestar Posted March 6 Posted March 6 No, lets go full on family entertainment, in the last Premier League games of the season any teams that haven't qualified for Europe or been relegated go onto a a big glittery wheel that is spun round by Bradley Walsh, whoever it lands on is chosen Stay or Go on another glittery wheel by Bradley Walsh's son, if it lands on Go then 20 currently non-league clubs are selected on a glittery wheel by Martin Kemps son and they will start the following season in the premier League replacing the unlucky mid table Premier League club. " So over to the studio, Brad, spin the wheel,,,,,,,,, Everton! ,,oooooh spin the wheel Brad's son,,,,,,,,,Go!, ooooooh, over to you Martin Kemps son,,,,,,,,, Curzon & Ashton! So there you go folks , wow what a season it promises to be eh???? Quote
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