To The Orange Warriors (knobs)

[M G WHITES]

The way I see it is that stewards are there for our safety and if some kids who probably won't come again anyway want to spoil someone else's night then they should be ejected.

 

It is the knobs who use excess force to throw people out, the one's who think they

 

are policemen as soon as they put an orange jacket on that are pissing people off.

[Carlos]

The way I see it is that stewards are there for our safety and if some kids who probably won't come again anyway want to spoil someone else's night then they should be ejected.

 

Maybe you should stick to bowls or dominoes then Grandad? I'd rather lose some coffin dodger than someone with their life infront of them personally, if only for the long-term well-being of the club. Indeed, if you think people should be assaulted for impinging on your enjoyment then you could do us all a favour and end it now. You have nothing more to give to civilised society anyway.

 

Stewards are there to open a 2ft high gate should there be a crush and to keep the emergency exits clear, do you really think they could do ANYTHING if there was a serious incident? They aren't highly trained professionals, they are basically unskilled, uneducated people dragged off the street, that's why they are working for minimum wage. I certainly don't need them there for my safety, I do far more dangerous things than attending The Reebok each and every day. Indeed your journey to and from the stadium are probably by far the most hazourdous parts of the night.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Carlos

[Sluffy]

Maybe you should stick to bowls or dominoes then Grandad? I'd rather lose some coffin dodger than someone with their life infront of them personally, if only for the long-term well-being of the club. Indeed, if you think people should be assaulted for impinging on your enjoyment then you could do us all a favour and end it now. You have nothing more to give to civilised society anyway.

 

Stewards are there to open a 2ft high gate should there be a crush and to keep the emergency exits clear, do you really think they could do ANYTHING if there was a serious incident? They aren't highly trained professionals, they are basically unskilled, uneducated people dragged off the street, that's why they are working for minimum wage. I certainly don't need them there for my safety, I do far more dangerous things than attending The Reebok each and every day. Indeed your journey to and from the stadium are probably by far the most hazourdous parts of the night.

 

Ah, but they are not - well not unless the club is breaking the law.

 

It will obviously surprise you (and no doubt many others) but anyone working in the Private Security Industry have to be licensed since 2001 (such as the bouncers who work on the doors of pubs and clubs) - football stewards are no different (or at least those stewards who search, intervening against and ejecting spectators who are in breach of ground regulations - such as standing during the match).

 

In September 2005 there was an amendment to the Act which allowed in-house stewards at football clubs not to be registered under the main Act of Parliament so long as they -

 

1 - be trained to a nationally accredited standard and that this training most specifically include how to deal with conflict management.

 

2 - be vetted by the Criminal Record Bureau, and

 

3 - be suitably and regularly monitored.

 

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/ria...905?view=Binary

 

The two accredited qualifications are the NVQ in Spectator Control or the Certificate in Event and Matchday Stewarding.

 

All stewards are trained in conflict management. Those involved in searching, intervention and ejection have to take a special training element as well.

 

The Football Licensing Authority as already issued guidance to all clubs on stewarding.

 

The local authority (Bolton MBC) as the responsibility to ensure that the stewards training is being undertaken. If the club does not fulfil the proper training of the stewards the Town Hall can instruct the club to reduce its capacity, or close parts of the ground, or in the most extreme case close the ground.

 

The stewards? report to the football clubs Safety Officer - they are contrary to your belief - indeed there for your safety.

 

Oh, and before anyone asks I have nothing at all to do with stewarding - I simply have tried to see both sides of the argument.

 

If you believe the stewards assaulted the two young lads then you should report the incident for the matter to be investigated. As I have said already on this thread their actions would have been recorded on CCTV at the time and so the matter can be proved one way or the other.

[Carlos]

That's what you call highly trained, an NVQ! Fcuk me, you should be on stage.

 

Thanks for informing me who my local authority is though, I'd always wondered.

[twiggy47]

chaps do you relise the ste wards are ex bolton boys !!!!

[Ani]

The way I see it is that stewards are there for our safety and if some kids who probably won't come again anyway want to spoil someone else's night then they should be ejected.

 

but do you admit that by over reacting the stewards can make it worse ?

 

 

the club did miss an opporunity here, they could have written to everyone with season ticketsin NS and explained what they were doing.

 

if people did not like it then offer them a free seat anywhere else in the ground.

 

 

but if we are moaning about swearing at football then lets just forget the whole thing, we are doomed.

[HomerJay]

to be fair, many of the lads who get in trouble with the stewards are cunts, even they themselves would admit that.

 

but what fookin harm are they doing anyone, whilst in their own section? the worst offences are probably standing and swearing!

 

the mind boggles as to how the club continually see it fit to throw such supporters out of the stadium.

[Sluffy]

That's what you call highly trained, an NVQ! Fcuk me, you should be on stage.

 

Thanks for informing me who my local authority is though, I'd always wondered.

 

That is what the law considers an appropriate qualification - not I.

 

It is Bolton MBC that is the licensing authority for the Reebok Stadium and not Horwich Town Council - hence why I stated as such.

[MickyD]

1 - be trained to a nationally accredited standard and that this training most specifically include how to deal with conflict management.

 

Conflict? Management?? Never will the two words be used in the same sentence when talking about BWFC stewards!

[MickyD]

Except maybe "BWFC stewards are not very good at conflict management."

[Carlos]

Conflict? Management?? Never will the two words be used in the same sentence when talking about BWFC stewards!

 

My primary thoughts are that the stewards are there to assist should there be a catastrophy, you know - fire, explosion, structural collapse, cat up a tree, the sort of stuff MickyD deals with. They would assist in the evacuation, and with that in mind, keep emergency routes and exits clear at all times.

 

Conflict management, having a bronze swimming certificate or a penchant for getting 12 year old kids in a headlock doesn't help them, so it appears they have no relevant training.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Carlos

[frank_spencer]

That's what you call highly trained, an NVQ! Fcuk me, you should be on stage.

 

Thanks for informing me who my local authority is though, I'd always wondered.

 

You obtain the NVQ by turning up for 10 matches and being assesed and attending 3 days of training on fire safety, 1st aid, evacuation proceedures etc.

 

I've no idea how fair the 'Heavy Mob's' training goes, but the general stewards qualification is a piece of piss.

[Sluffy]

My primary thoughts are that the stewards are there to assist should there be a catastrophy, you know - fire, explosion, structural collapse, cat up a tree, the sort of stuff MickyD deals with. They would assist in the evacuation, and with that in mind, keep emergency routes and exits clear at all times.

 

Conflict management, having a bronze swimming certificate or a penchant for getting 12 year old kids in a headlock doesn't help them, so it appears they have no relevant training.

 

From the Home Office (guidance on stewarding) - Stewards Job Descriptions - listed from page 10 onwards of the following link -

 

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/ria...905?view=Binary

[Horwich]

They can kick as many out as they want, There is always someone else who is longing for a spare seat at the reebok and hasnt been able to get in for years.

[Gonk]

You obtain the NVQ by turning up for 10 matches and being assesed and attending 3 days of training on fire safety, 1st aid, evacuation proceedures etc.

 

I've no idea how fair the 'Heavy Mob's' training goes, but the general stewards qualification is a piece of piss.

 

Day 1 - Fire - run as fast as you can away from the fire, whilst removing the orange coat as it is highly flammable

Day 2 - How to revive a punter after asphyxiation whilst removing them from the stadium

Day 3 - Evacuation - That's the same as throwing them out.

 

You're right, it is a piece of piss

[frank_spencer]

Day 1 - Fire - where you fire exits are the importance of a fire evacuation proceedures (anyone who has seen footage of the Bradford fire knows how important these are), how to use fire extinguishers spotting fire risks.

Day 2 - First aid including CPR, Heimlich manouver, helping epeleptics etc just a basic first aid course specialised to a football stadium.

Day 3 - Evacuation - watch hilsborough, bradford etc and tell me stewards are not needed.

 

It is a piece of piss and yes some stewards are c?nts of the highest order and god forbid you ever need ones help but not all are the same caliber as the 'heavy mob'

[alibob]

You obtain the NVQ by turning up for 10 matches and being assesed and attending 3 days of training on fire safety, 1st aid, evacuation proceedures etc.

 

I've no idea how fair the 'Heavy Mob's' training goes, but the general stewards qualification is a piece of piss.

 

I've been to 10 matches, I'm sure I could put out a fire... where do I sign up?

[Casino]

I've been to 10 matches, I'm sure I could put out a fire... where do I sign up?

 

[Carlos]

Day 1 - Fire - where you fire exits are the importance of a fire evacuation proceedures (anyone who has seen footage of the Bradford fire knows how important these are), how to use fire extinguishers spotting fire risks.

Day 2 - First aid including CPR, Heimlich manouver, helping epeleptics etc just a basic first aid course specialised to a football stadium.

Day 3 - Evacuation - watch hilsborough, bradford etc and tell me stewards are not needed.

 

It is a piece of piss and yes some stewards are c?nts of the highest order and god forbid you ever need ones help but not all are the same caliber as the 'heavy mob'

 

Day 1, The Reebok is made out of concrete, Valley Parade was made out of wood like the Manny Road stand. Football has moved on an long way since then. These days, if there is a fire, they no longer lock all the doors and I know the way out. However, there should be someone there pointing to the nearest exit for those unfamiliar with the ground.

 

Day 2, thanks all the same, there's more chance of there being a doctor or nurse in the vacinity anyway, plus there's 2 ambulances, St John's and the club doctor. Orange Warrior - get the fcuk off me. Are they trained in ball to head related incidents? ::::::::

 

Day 3, I've seen both of those, Bradford was due to a wooden stand and lack of exits, we don't have these anymore. Hillsborough was due to a combo of pissed up Scousers, criminally incompetent Policing and the 10 foot high spiked fences that Thatcher introduced. The fences have gone, we now have an all seater stadium with a 2 foot high fence with a gate, I can handle that myself.

 

What day is the tw?tting kids training on?

[Casino]

re hillsborough

 

add in imo criminally negligent officials of sheffield wednesday

[Guest as]

Carlos for PM

[Bobcat]

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Edited February 19, 2008 by Bobcat

[frank_spencer]

Day 1, The Reebok is made out of concrete, Valley Parade was made out of wood like the Manny Road stand. Football has moved on an long way since then. These days, if there is a fire, they no longer lock all the doors and I know the way out. However, there should be someone there pointing to the nearest exit for those unfamiliar with the ground.

do you? which way would you go then?

 

yup the reebok is concrete safe and compliant with all the new construction laws etc but the law says there must be stewards so there is.

 

Unfortunately it's the twatty minority who create this impression that all stewards are cocks. And due to this you no longer get your decent folk being stewards so the clubs have to bring in agency security staff who usually are complete morons who get joy out of giving kids a kicking.

[Guest as]

do you? which way would you go then?

 

yup the reebok is concrete safe and compliant with all the new construction laws etc but the law says there must be stewards so there is.

 

Unfortunately it's the twatty minority who create this impression that all stewards are cocks. And due to this you no longer get your decent folk being stewards so the clubs have to bring in agency security staff who usually are complete morons who get joy out of giving kids a kicking.

 

The only stewards I have any time for are the owd fella's dotted about, who usually do the job without causing a scene and are THERE TO HELP, as opposed to trying to kick off with the paying public.

 

The bunch of stewards before the NSL v Madrid were truly embarassing, grown men whispering in each others ear about who theyr're targetting next, it was f?cking shameful. Their wives much have gone a good few year without any, as they looked nearing orgasm by grabbing a little lad out in a headlock and sticking his head near their groin.

[no balls]

do you? which way would you go then?

 

yup the reebok is concrete safe and compliant with all the new construction laws etc but the law says there must be stewards so there is.

 

Unfortunately it's the twatty minority who create this impression that all stewards are cocks. And due to this you no longer get your decent folk being stewards so the clubs have to bring in agency security staff who usually are complete morons who get joy out of giving kids a kicking.

I strongly disagree. I have not in my many years at the Reebok, met a pleasant or helpful one. In fact. I'll go as far as to say, they are ALL nobends for varying reasons & in varying degrees!

Whilst oustide the ground in Macedonia, both I & EG had a bit of an incident regarding the theft of some of our possessions. The thieving bast?rds they call the police over there stated it ass confiscation. What I am going to do with a lip gloss, camp up a man to within a inch of his life FFS? Anyway, the crux of the matter is I asked one of the helpful orange men who had got a free holiday over there to go and find English OB or someone senior. The silly old c?nt just carried on leaning again the wall and said it was nowt to do with him.

My experience of these people is one of contempt towards me for actually disagreeing with the status quo or complete indifference to my requests for help (as happened during a M?nich game the other year, when I requested some c?nt giving the large behind me either get moved or tw?tted by my good self) & the violence we have clearly seen on match days which, luckily I have not been on the receiving end of (presumable because I'm almost of the female persuasion).

So, in conclusion Frank, I do believe that if you are refering to the stewards here at our club, you are wrong.