Smiffs Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 This Thursday with the BNP. Methinks Nick Griffin will call Jack Straw a communist or similar, Bonnie Greer will make him look silly by using lots of long words about British heritage, and Barones Warsi will sit there not knowing what side to join so long as they're not gay. Heckling will come from the audience which will be full of bedwetting Tarquins from the Home Counties, with a couple of fat skinheaded blokes with bad teeth and radical Muslims for good measure, whilst David Dimbleby will give the last word to anyone but Nick Griffin which will make him angry and interupt a lot. I think he will stop short of throwing bananas at Bonnie Greer though.
frank_spencer Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Nick Griffin will spend most of his time explaining in various circuitous ways 'as long as you're white you're all right by me'. Hopefully a repeat of my favourite Griffin line 'there's no such thing as a black welshman'
Guest Firthy Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 I can't understand the problem people have with giving the BNP a televised platform for debate. If we live in a supposed democracy, and the BNP have already commanded a couple of parliamentary seats, aren't they entitled to explain their policies on a bigger stage? Providing there's some intelligent opposition present, they'll probably be shown up for the thick racist fuckwits they are, but trying to stop them from airing their views altogether is the exact opposite of the 'free speech' we're supposed to feel priveliged to have in this country. It's weird.
Sweep Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 It should make for interesting viewing, I presume they only give Griffin the air-time, as he actually tends to do more harm for himself than good when he's allowed to speak
frank_spencer Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Plus it takes away one of his main argument that his party isn't given a fair press. He's got a chance now to show he's not the leader of the British Nazi Party and that the BNP are true and fair political party. However as CWP says he'll probably show himself to be the numpty that he is.
JimmyRiddle Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 It should make for interesting viewing, I presume they only give Griffin the air-time, as he actually tends to do more harm for himself than good when he's allowed to speak Well after reading a decent article from one of the broadsheets the main worry of the main stream politicians is not his views on race per se, but that he will get his say on other issues during the hour show. i.e. If he says reasonble things regarding climate change, transport, health, public finances it will show him and the party as a much more rounded organisation than we are led to believe by other politicians. And worse than that some panel memebers may actually have to agree with Griffin on some of these issues which will cause them no end of angst. Should be interesting!!!
mickbrown Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 I can't understand the problem people have with giving the BNP a televised platform for debate. If we live in a supposed democracy, and the BNP have already commanded a couple of parliamentary seats, aren't they entitled to explain their policies on a bigger stage? Providing there's some intelligent opposition present, they'll probably be shown up for the thick racist fuckwits they are, but trying to stop them from airing their views altogether is the exact opposite of the 'free speech' we're supposed to feel priveliged to have in this country. It's weird. Think the problem some people have is that they wouldn't extend the right of free speech to others so why should they have it. Personally, I'm all for em being on.
no balls Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Filthy & CWP are correct. He'll at some point show himself up to be the ignorant Nazi apologist he is. He should be allowed his opinion as people have made them a legitimate party by putting them in the European parliament & local government. The BBC really should dust down their copy of the Annan Report & give it another read before hey get sanctamonious. I really do doubt (hope) his appearance on Question time will sway a floating voter. I hate radical muslims, I hold Griffin in contempt. Surely there's a middle ground we can listen to out there somewhere. God forbid it's the Liberal Demcrats!
Casino Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 anybody who judges folk by their race or religion is vermin thats not to say that terrorists should be appeased, gang rape should be tolerated, smack heads shouldn't be exterminated, white trash baby machines shouldn't be shot if you get my drift the problem is, theres nobody got the bollocks to grasp the nettle and provide an alternative to cameron and blair, so griffin becomes attractive to some decent folk as well as some of the dregs of our society
jayjayoghani Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Filthy & CWP are correct. He'll at some point show himself up to be the ignorant Nazi apologist he is. He should be allowed his opinion as people have made them a legitimate party by putting them in the European parliament & local government. The BBC really should dust down their copy of the Annan Report & give it another read before hey get sanctamonious. I really do doubt (hope) his appearance on Question time will sway a floating voter. I hate radical muslims, I hold Griffin in contempt. Surely there's a middle ground we can listen to out there somewhere. God forbid it's the Liberal Demcrats! to be fair the BBC have had to dig in on this issue of giving Nick Griffin airtime http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8313680.stm No BNP representatives have yet appeared on the BBC's flagship panel show. But the corporation reviewed its position following the party's success in last June's European elections, in which Mr Griffin was one of two BNP candidates to be elected as an MEP. The BBC has said it is obliged to treat all parties with "due impartiality".
no balls Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 to be fair the BBC have had to dig in on this issue of giving Nick Griffin airtime http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8313680.stm Fair play to the bod who dug out the Annan Report then. Like or loathe, they're now legitimate. & Hain can whine as much as he wants, but as Cassie says, folk are voting from them, working class Labour voters.
bolty58 Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) Seen a bit of the bloke down here in recent times being interviewed on Sky News. Utter waste of time as all the interviewer wanted to do was antagonise and badger the bloke rather than let him comment on all of the other policy items away from the race issue. Interviewer insisted on trawling up stuff Griffin had allegedly said 10-15 years ago FFS. The most interesting thing will be seeing whether they do get a fair crack of the whip in the debate rather than shouted down by the completely undemocratic extreme left. Edited October 20, 2009 by bolty58
Ani Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 If the other parties are worried about the BNP then it is either a reflection of the lack of quality in their own members or policies. All the BNP are doing is listing what is wrong with the country they are putting forward nothing that will solve the issues. They just need to keep asking Griffin 'what exactly would you do to sort this out.' Their rhetoric on the problems in the country strikes a chord with people but they offer no solutions.
mickbrown Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Seen a bit of the bloke down here in recent times being interviewed on Sky News. Utter waste of time as all the interviewer wanted to do was antagonise and badger the bloke rather than let him comment on all of the other policy items away from the race issue. Interviewer insisted on trawling up stuff Griffin had allegedly said 10-15 years ago FFS. The most interesting thing will be seeing whether they do get a fair crack of the whip in the debate rather than shouted down by the completely undemocratic extreme left. But it's the race issue which makes all his other policies unworkable.
frank_spencer Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 But it's the race issue which makes all his other policies unworkable. Aye even hitler had the trains running on time
mickbrown Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Aye even hitler had the trains running on time I don't even know what his other policies are. I don't care what his other policies are.
frank_spencer Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 I don't even know what his other policies are. I don't care what his other policies are. Not sure they even have any other than bold statements they have not need to back up. The obvious things such as reducing crime improving education improving the NHS but no real meat behind how they would actually do this
Maggie Tate Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Another BNP membership list has been leaked today I see. At the end of the day as an elected representative of course there's no reason not to have him on. You can't just out your finngers in your ears and hope they go away without confronting the whole thing head on. Peter Hain is an old arsehole living in the 1970s who represents the worst part of the left. I don't know a large amount about the other panellists other than Jack Straw, but I hope they won't be so wishy washy as to not be as forthcoming in condemning the Islamic fascists as they are the BNP. There are many of us who hate them both equally and I'd like someone of that standpoint to be given some air.
frank_spencer Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Another BNP membership list has been leaked today I see. At the end of the day as an elected representative of course there's no reason not to have him on. You can't just out your finngers in your ears and hope they go away without confronting the whole thing head on. Peter Hain is an old arsehole living in the 1970s who represents the worst part of the left. I don't know a large amount about the other panellists other than Jack Straw, but I hope they won't be so wishy washy as to not be as forthcoming in condemning the Islamic fascists as they are the BNP. There are many of us who hate them both equally and I'd like someone of that standpoint to be given some air. Come on Maggie you should know by now politics doesn't deal with the middle ground, as it's the extremes at either end that provide the core support and funding for the main political parties. the smaller parties need to take this oportunity to speak for the real man in the street, not the skin head right or the wooly left just the other 90% or so of the population
no balls Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Seen a bit of the bloke down here in recent times being interviewed on Sky News. Utter waste of time as all the interviewer wanted to do was antagonise and badger the bloke rather than let him comment on all of the other policy items away from the race issue. Interviewer insisted on trawling up stuff Griffin had allegedly said 10-15 years ago FFS. The most interesting thing will be seeing whether they do get a fair crack of the whip in the debate rather than shouted down by the completely undemocratic extreme left. Why not badger & antagonise him? I'm sure you'd be happy for an interviewer to do this to one of these Imans of Hate we are all well aware of. He's a dangerous man. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in...der/beliefs.stm On anti-semitismIn 1997, Nick Griffin published a booklet entitled "Who are the Mind Benders?". It claimed to prove that Jewish people controlled the British media and thereby were able to brainwash white British people into accepting multiculturalism. On the Holocaust Between 1995 and 1997, Nick Griffin edited 'The Rune'. Griffin referred to the Holocaust as a "Holohoax". In 1998 Nick Griffin said, "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
Maggie Tate Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Well I certainly don't agree that by now politics doesn't deal with the middle ground, in fact I think that is actually a large part of the whole trouble. Both parties are in a scramble for the middle ground, Labour v Tories hasn't been an ideological battle since Kinnock. It's now about image and presentation and whether Cameron's nice hair is worth voting for over Brown's weird thing he does when he breathes in. I suspect most major donators are big businessmen who are motivated by that rather than ideology also. You talk about the extremes providing the core support, but it's a long time since Dennis Skinner or any of the other Labour reds made up their core. I think the Tories have changed less, but they're also very much diluted.
no balls Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Well I certainly don't agree that by now politics doesn't deal with the middle ground, in fact I think that is actually a large part of the whole trouble. Both parties are in a scramble for the middle ground, Labour v Tories hasn't been an ideological battle since Kinnock. It's now about image and presentation and whether Cameron's nice hair is worth voting for over Brown's weird thing he does when he breathes in. I suspect most major donators are big businessmen who are motivated by that rather than ideology also. You talk about the extremes providing the core support, but it's a long time since Dennis Skinner or any of the other Labour reds made up their core. I think the Tories have changed less, but they're also very much diluted. Thing is though like him or loathe him, he didn't dress up his views, sticks by them and lives by them. Unfotunately, as you say, PR machines work over time for politicians these days. The common man really doesn't know what they stand for & so it's no wonder they are looking to minority parties these days. Hell, I'm not even sure I'll vote next time, and I never thought I'd say that.
Carlos Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Why not badger & antagonise him? I'm sure you'd be happy for an interviewer to do this to one of these Imans of Hate we are all well aware of. He's a dangerous man. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in...der/beliefs.stm Yes, yes, but that was 10-15 years ago hence can apparently be consigned to history.
no balls Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, yes, but that was 10-15 years ago hence can apparently be consigned to history. And still not apologised for or explained as the petulance of yoof. He's a dangerous man.
Guest Biff Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Aye even hitler had the trains running on time Actually that was Mussolini.
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