Happy Wanderer Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Staff at Bolton NHS Foundation Trust have today been sent an email giving formal notice that approximately 500 whole time equivalent posts will need to go! Nice timing before Christmas, well done to the Trust (not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 14, 2012 oh ffs nah, can't be arsed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Wearing my cardigan and all that, hasn't the head honcho run up huge debts there hence the redundancies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Staff at Bolton NHS Foundation Trust have today been sent an email giving formal notice that approximately 500 whole time equivalent posts will need to go! Nice timing before Christmas, well done to the Trust (not). Is it ever good timing? I can assure you from personal experience it is never good timing. Though without gonig into the ins and outs, let's see how much is "natural wastage". P.S. Don't be blaming us insensitive fuckers on here, the unions want to have a look at their mate, Cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Plenty to come at our place too. From a purely selfish point of view hopefully the majority covered by early retirements and voluntary redundancies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Plenty to come at our place too. From a purely selfish point of view hopefully the majority covered by early retirements and voluntary redundancies. Frank, not taking the piss here.... When the Corpy look at these things do they consider which departments actually help create work and employment in the borough (ie Building Services, Planning, Highways etc) or are you lumped in with the wishy washy bollocks lot who create fuck all but policies and paper? I can imagine Donald Trump rolling into town with 500zillion to rebuild the place and the Corpy saying, sorry mate, the planner is off this week and the highways mons on part time. Can you come back another time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted November 14, 2012 Site Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2012 If BMBC is anything like our place, they'll just accept volunteers for redundancy and then fill posts in by relocating other people into different departments. All it means is that you end up taking inexperienced folk and transplanting them to where there was an experienced person, thus diluting that department's effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie Tate Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 My Mam (Bolton Uni admin) is either getting her cards or a pay cut of 35%. She's 60 with a mortgage to pay. The bloke who made this decision was a regular feature in Private Eye for weeks when he worked in Doncaster awarding himself 50% pay rises and giving contracts to his friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Frank, not taking the piss here.... When the Corpy look at these things do they consider which departments actually help create work and employment in the borough (ie Building Services, Planning, Highways etc) or are you lumped in with the wishy washy bollocks lot who create fuck all but policies and paper? I can imagine Donald Trump rolling into town with 500zillion to rebuild the place and the Corpy saying, sorry mate, the planner is off this week and the highways mons on part time. Can you come back another time? The way it works mainly is individual funding streams pay for individual job types the government cuts these funding sources so the jobs linked to them go. Anyone was free to apply for retirement/redundancy now those applications are in they're looked at to see if they can be accepted or if it'll leave a hole in services. Our department has been pretty save from compulsory redundancies for 2 reasons 1) we've had lots of senior engineers take early retirement to save us younger ones (and for the payout obviously) and 2) our department is self funding as our wages come from capital schemes rather than from the councils day to day revenue budget. theres not many senior (age wise) engineers left so i'm hopeful the budget side of things saves me this time round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 14, 2012 maybe its just me, but wtf is all this voluntary redundancy shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Magoo Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Well its basically offering to be unemployed, redundant. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 maybe its just me, but wtf is all this voluntary redundancy shit Nothing wrong with voluntary redundancy for those who want it. I used to work at a company where it was offered, a couple of the girls in the office who had been there for c20 years were very happy to take it as they weren't overly happy (but too idle to look for another job) - they both got something knocking on for amounts totalling over £25K each, had a couple of months off and then went looking for new jobs (to be fair, this was back in 2001/2 when it was a bit easier to get a job.....and they were offered soemthing like a months wage for each year they had been there....I presume people aren't offered that type of payoff anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 maybe its just me, but wtf is all this voluntary redundancy shit I like the term "natural wastage". Does that mean they weren't needed in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Mate of mine has taken voluntary redundancy 3 times; twice he had already lined up a job, the other he had a little holiday and then walked into another job. If you're skills are required by the market, it's a nice little earner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Nothing wrong with voluntary redundancy for those who want it. I used to work at a company where it was offered, a couple of the girls in the office who had been there for c20 years were very happy to take it as they weren't overly happy (but too idle to look for another job) - they both got something knocking on for amounts totalling over £25K each, had a couple of months off and then went looking for new jobs (to be fair, this was back in 2001/2 when it was a bit easier to get a job.....and they were offered soemthing like a months wage for each year they had been there....I presume people aren't offered that type of payoff anymore 3 months wage on top of a lump sum dependant on your years service. nowhere near what my friends got at Barclays when they shut salford quays they got similar to what CWP mentioned plus a lump sum. one bloke had been at barclays for 30+ years so got 3 years wages in one lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted November 14, 2012 Members Share Posted November 14, 2012 As a once-upon-a-time legacy of ICI, a lot of employees at my place are gagging for voluntary redundancy due to the excellent terms, especially those employees who've been here for 40 years or so. What it means for them is a big, fat lump sum of cash and a tidy pension. They can then take a part time job elsewhere and ease themselves into retirement comfortably. 'Natural wastage' generally means contractors' contracts aren't renewed, therefore not technically redundancies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 one bloke had been at barclays for 30+ years so got 3 years wages in one lump. Mrs CWP was doing some recruitment for the new John Lewis distribution site at Milton Keynes, becuase they had opened that place they closed down a large section of the old distribution site in Stevenage. Apparently some of the voluntary redundancy offerings there were ridiculously high. She knows one bloke who had been there for donkeys years and he was given a massive lump sum and about 4 years wage. He was due to retire in about 8 years anyway, so he was well happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I know some lads from Aerospace. Never apparently did much of a week, did shit loads on overtime at weekends, took voluntary redundancy and not many needed to work again. Nice work when they could get it. I managed to go to Uni on mine luckily but they don't offer packages like they used to, it's very much a take it or leave it which brings us nicely round to private v public, it's a take it or leave it. I'd be interested to see what the NHS ones are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I worked for BT for nearly 17 years and in late 2009 they were looking for redundancy volunteers. I made myself available and walked away with a sizeable sum, then started a new job in April 2010. Only 14 months after leaving BT wrote to me and asked me if I wanted to return back to work for them. I politley declined but they did take back on some of the folk they made redundant at the same time as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 14, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) reet, i know exactly what voluntary redundancy is i just don't get why its being offered get the matrix drawn up, get it designed to weed out the shit to hell with volunteers who may we be a more expensive option Edited November 14, 2012 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 reet, i know exactly what voluntary redundancy is i just don't get why its being offered get the matrix drawn up, get it designed to weed out the shit to hell with volunteers who may we be a more expensive option Perhaps because the hard faced bastard approach isn't always necessary. that step comes next. get rid of those willing to go so you don't have to get rid of as many who need their income to live on. It works the same in the private sector too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 My Mam (Bolton Uni admin) is either getting her cards or a pay cut of 35%. She's 60 with a mortgage to pay. The bloke who made this decision was a regular feature in Private Eye for weeks when he worked in Doncaster awarding himself 50% pay rises and giving contracts to his friends. My Mrs is in exactly the same position. No doubt they'll soon be both chasing the same job. The whole problem came about because The Uni grossly over-estimated how many students would want to come this year. Someone has fucked up royally, and as per, it's the staff who suffer. I also got my email from Bolton Hospital re possible redundancies this morning. As a couple living on the Public Sector gravy train we're having a belting week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I like the term "natural wastage". Does that mean they weren't needed in the first place? What's unnatural wastage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 What's unnatural wastage? The stuff that comes from Spider's arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 What's unnatural wastage? Spider should be able to explain that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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