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[gonzo]

Is there not a shout for kids to be playing Futsal in the summer rather than rolling around with the local fat kid on a muddy field in December?

 

Kids have been bought up on Futsal on the continent for decades.

 

Would improve ball controll and get kids used passing rather than just passing it to the greedy fast kid.

[Pablo]

I know its just too simple, and wont work because of the other local bigger teams, but in Bolton, im sure that if BWFC built 4 or 5 centre's like Prem 5's, it would benefit them in the future.

 

Although this is a dream, as United / City / Everton / Liverpool, even Wigan & Bury & Burnley would just come and take the good kids.

 

But these clubs should have to stick to their own area's.

[Pablo]

Is there not a shout for kids to be playing Futsal in the summer rather than rolling around with the local fat kid on a muddy field in December?

 

Kids have been bought up on Futsal on the continent for decades.

 

Would improve ball controll and get kids used passing rather than just passing it to the greedy fast kid.

 

 

Plenty of these coaching schools / accademies do this. My lad goes to them, and you will only see the elite players that go to them.

 

Again, back to parents and the mentality, football season ends.....so does the football for their kids. Attitude needs to change.

[Oval White]

3g pitches for all, would be a dream....and unfortunatly is just that. They cost a fortune.

 

Under 7's as of now, play this exact format, and the Bolton & Bury league is sponsored by BWFC. They play at Arena and Prem 5's.

 

Pitches are a huge problem, your spot on. In the wet months, my lad needs armbands, and he has no chance of running with the ball, absolute no chance. So he just gets lost in the game, to the big lads.

 

The finance for the new 3G pitches comes from selling the old  council pitches to housebuilders and the rental fees paid by all the clubs to use the new facilities. The new pitches can be built on cheap land like Everton did at Halewood and Bolton did at Lostock. It just needs a bit of joined up thinking and a bit of relaxation in planning. Unfortunately something which we are not good at in this country. 

[Leyther_Matt]

Can they not join up with local schools etc to get the 3G pitches built? Sure that's what happened in Scotland, plus building centralised centres with indoor and outdoor pitches (Ravenscraig etc). As said, it takes a bit of co-operation and forward planning which is probably why it won't happen.

[Pablo]

The finance for the new 3G pitches comes from selling the old  council pitches to housebuilders and the rental fees paid by all the clubs to use the new facilities. The new pitches can be built on cheap land like Everton did at Halewood and Bolton did at Lostock. It just needs a bit of joined up thinking and a bit of relaxation in planning. Unfortunately something which we are not good at in this country. 

 

 

Council have no interest at all in kids football, unfortunatly.

 

Damn shame, Bolton could be a hotbed.

[Pablo]

The wrong people seem to be the ones charged with making decisions.

[Traf]

Council have no interest at all in kids football, unfortunatly.

 

Damn shame, Bolton could be a hotbed.

 

Start a kabaddi league, they'll soon take an interest, allegedly.

[gonzo]

Start a kabaddi league, they'll soon take an interest, allegedly.

They could do a halal meat raffle in the mosque afterwards.

[MrG]

In 2003, when I worked in Leigh, I set up a football league for all the primary schools - I was initially told that it wouldn't work, it had been tried before etc. Other reasons given were with regards to the state of pitches and how more games would end up being called off etc.

 

This was at the same time that many of the secondary schools in the area were having MUGA pitches (astro pitches) built. So I suggested using one of these schools as a central venue for all the matches. One high school agreed to let us use their pitch and now 11 years later I believe the league continues to run successfully with the same school being used as a central venue.

 

The two leagues I run now are both based at 'central' high school venues and this works for many reasons - the surface allows children to develop their 'touch', games are never really called off, we can play matches all year round if we like as they have floodlights. High schools also like it as they have all those children/parents coming to their school each week and so it can be a potential marketing tool for them.

 

So, with most high school now having these pitches and with many of them being open at weekends for adult learning etc, could local teams not join up with the schools and use existing 'astro-pitches' for their homes matches?

 

I know that Athy Town are looking into building their own behind St. Michael's church (where the crappy all weather pitch is now). So, where I live/work, there could be: Hindsford using Freddie's for home matches, Athy Town using their own (eventually), Pennington using Atherton Community School. (Am not sure if Colls/LR have younger teams? Think LR do?) For teams in Leigh/Astley there are astro pitches at St. Mary's, Bedford, WHS and Lowton. I think Leigh Genesis already play on the pitches at LSV?!

 

I do know that many of the first teams I have mentioned above, already use some of these schools for training on in the winter months and so they already have a link with the schools.

 

I'm not sure what the state is in Bolton with regards to the provision of these pitches at schools or how/if you could join up with them. It would need the whole league to do this as if some teams played on grass there would be talk of how this would hold an advantage for those teams (like QPR, Oldham and PNE with their placky pitches).

 

From the school side, the only potential issue I can think of is opening/locking up. But like I said, many large high schools are already open 'out of hours' and through employing more than one 'caretaker'/site manager they have shift systems set up so it could be covered. If this is not possible I do know of examples where a school has let a named club member become a key holder just for the pitches/pitch area.

[Casino]

renting the astro pitches out to the local clubs for winter training is a nice little earner for schools

 

i don't see why they'd forego that

[Oval White]

In 2003, when I worked in Leigh, I set up a football league for all the primary schools - I was initially told that it wouldn't work, it had been tried before etc. Other reasons given were with regards to the state of pitches and how more games would end up being called off etc.

 

This was at the same time that many of the secondary schools in the area were having MUGA pitches (astro pitches) built. So I suggested using one of these schools as a central venue for all the matches. One high school agreed to let us use their pitch and now 11 years later I believe the league continues to run successfully with the same school being used as a central venue.

 

The two leagues I run now are both based at 'central' high school venues and this works for many reasons - the surface allows children to develop their 'touch', games are never really called off, we can play matches all year round if we like as they have floodlights. High schools also like it as they have all those children/parents coming to their school each week and so it can be a potential marketing tool for them.

 

So, with most high school now having these pitches and with many of them being open at weekends for adult learning etc, could local teams not join up with the schools and use existing 'astro-pitches' for their homes matches?

 

I know that Athy Town are looking into building their own behind St. Michael's church (where the crappy all weather pitch is now). So, where I live/work, there could be: Hindsford using Freddie's for home matches, Athy Town using their own (eventually), Pennington using Atherton Community School. (Am not sure if Colls/LR have younger teams? Think LR do?) For teams in Leigh/Astley there are astro pitches at St. Mary's, Bedford, WHS and Lowton. I think Leigh Genesis already play on the pitches at LSV?!

 

I do know that many of the first teams I have mentioned above, already use some of these schools for training on in the winter months and so they already have a link with the schools.

 

I'm not sure what the state is in Bolton with regards to the provision of these pitches at schools or how/if you could join up with them. It would need the whole league to do this as if some teams played on grass there would be talk of how this would hold an advantage for those teams (like QPR, Oldham and PNE with their placky pitches).

 

From the school side, the only potential issue I can think of is opening/locking up. But like I said, many large high schools are already open 'out of hours' and through employing more than one 'caretaker'/site manager they have shift systems set up so it could be covered. If this is not possible I do know of examples where a school has let a named club member become a key holder just for the pitches/pitch area.

 

Bang on that - It all makes sense because there is very littly down time in the pitches being used so they become economically viable. Also a lot of the newer schools theses days are academy's built by funding from 'sponsors' from industry etc. It would be good (but unlikely) if the some of the schools sponsors could be the local football club. I heard yesterday that Cardiff will recieve more money for finishing bottom this year than Man U recived for winning the title last year. Would be nice if some of that found its way to the local community.

 

My youngest lads team trains twice a week on an astro behind an academy school and the improvement has been unbelievable. They pass the ball around at times like an academy team and a lot of it is down to training on the 3G (and some ability). We finished second in the Warrington premier league this year and were the best passing team in the league by a mile. 

[MrG]

I have been told (but have not checked it for myself) that Everton were the first (only?) football club to set up a school as an academy.

[tylswhite]

I have been told (but have not checked it for myself) that Everton were the first (only?) football club to set up a school as an academy.

I know that they do have one but not sure if its the first/only one.

[Pablo]

I have been told (but have not checked it for myself) that Everton were the first (only?) football club to set up a school as an academy.

 

 

Everton have opened a 'Free School', first of its kindin the UK. Not sure of the links to Football though. I know it caused a nightmare with the 'Education board'.

[Traf]

What about the School of Science, Pablo?

 

Is it on its way back, yet?

[frank_spencer]

I know that they do have one but not sure if its the first/only one.

The wanderers one starts in September, be interesting how it helps down the line.

[Dr Faustus]

I was unsure whether to start a new a thread, but this seems as good a place as any.

 

my boy is 4, he lives and breathes football.  he wants to play, and has attended a few schools, most of which have folded through lack of numbers, or poor administration and in-fighting.  I have taken him to a club in the area with a holding group, just to watch toddlers kick shit out of each other.  he didn't enjoy didiekicks, which seems to be  a well established franchise, as he found it babyish.

 

can anyone recommend a coaching school/academy or even club in the area who caters for  4/5 year olds?  ideally one that isn't going to cancel week in week out, and has a reputation for making development fun?  we have travelled between Bolton and Urmston so far.

[Guest]

I was unsure whether to start a new a thread, but this seems as good a place as any.

 

my boy is 4, he lives and breathes football.  he wants to play, and has attended a few schools, most of which have folded through lack of numbers, or poor administration and in-fighting.  I have taken him to a club in the area with a holding group, just to watch toddlers kick shit out of each other.  he didn't enjoy didiekicks, which seems to be  a well established franchise, as he found it babyish.

 

can anyone recommend a coaching school/academy or even club in the area who caters for  4/5 year olds?  ideally one that isn't going to cancel week in week out, and has a reputation for making development fun?  we have travelled between Bolton and Urmston so far.

 

 

DIDIEICKS

 

almost sounds familiar

[Casino]

I was unsure whether to start a new a thread, but this seems as good a place as any.

 

my boy is 4, he lives and breathes football.  he wants to play, and has attended a few schools, most of which have folded through lack of numbers, or poor administration and in-fighting.  I have taken him to a club in the area with a holding group, just to watch toddlers kick shit out of each other.  he didn't enjoy didiekicks, which seems to be  a well established franchise, as he found it babyish.

 

can anyone recommend a coaching school/academy or even club in the area who caters for  4/5 year olds?  ideally one that isn't going to cancel week in week out, and has a reputation for making development fun?  we have travelled between Bolton and Urmston so far.

 

 

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[only1swanny]

They can do all they want at grass level. .

 

While managers are constantly bringing in foreign talent it won't improve.

 

Kids get to about 16/17. . Realise they won't make that break through and the fire dies.

[Mounts Kipper]

They can do all they want at grass level. .

 

While managers are constantly bringing in foreign talent it won't improve.

 

Kids get to about 16/17. . Realise they won't make that break through and the fire dies.

If the fire dies maybe they don't have the desire in the first place there is a route back at a lower level and quite a few have done that and played at international level after.

[tomski]

If the fire dies maybe they don't have the desire in the first place there is a route back at a lower level and quite a few have done that and played at international level after.

Its alot easier to blame foreigners though booooo.

 

I agree with you completely. One of Chelsea's youth team players is on 17k a week already. The lad is made already. It must be a motivational killer having it all already.

[Pablo]

Got a touch of sunburn today out at Euxton, beltin footy tournament, cracking teams, havin a good go.

 

Stella time now.

[Mounts Kipper]

Got a touch of sunburn today out at Euxton, beltin footy tournament, cracking teams, havin a good go.

 

Stella time now.

Cracking day, didn't see you my lads Knackered.the team who won it bright yellow kit beat Euxton blacks in final very very good team very skillful and even a bit cynical if anyone got passed they knew how to take one for the team. Edited May 18, 2014 by Mounts Kipper