frank_spencer Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Off course Davies could afford to make it happen but he's choosing to not even make a half arsed effort to take the club forward and that's his prerogative it's his investment and it's his worry what return he's going to get when he finally gets rid of the club, so I shouldn't be unduly worried but it seems to me that he's decided to cut his nose off to spite his face, that means we've a chance of being relegated, lower crowds , less money and likely a poorer selling price for the club, it's a perfect storm and the refusal to stump up for a decent striker who wanted to come to the club might just be the straw that breaks the camels back. So Eddie breaks the wallet open to sign ALF what do we bin off to cover the losses under ffp? The debt has cock all to do with our inability to sign ALF or similar striker. The budget is set by what we bring in through player sales, ticket sales, merchandise corporate etc. Until we can generate cash flow. We could have Bill Gates bank balance at the club but unless our turnover improves this is our future for the foreseeable. Quote
Naytch Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Joking apart the decision not to sign Le Fondre could turn out to be the biggest drop bollock in a long list of drop bollocks by the powers that be at BWFC and don't give me that we couldn't afford him, the alternative is to once again flirt or even worse with relegation, ever dwindling attendances and value of the club. For supposed business men they don't seem to understand or cannot make a judgment on risk taken to reward gained, they reap what they sow. Pathetic. 100% agreed. SURELY there must have been a way we could have agreed a deal for Le Fondre when it was so fucking obvious we needed him Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 So Eddie breaks the wallet open to sign ALF what do we bin off to cover the losses under ffp? The debt has cock all to do with our inability to sign ALF or similar striker. The budget is set by what we bring in through player sales, ticket sales, merchandise corporate etc. Until we can generate cash flow. We could have Bill Gates bank balance at the club but unless our turnover improves this is our future for the foreseeable. It's hardly breaking Eddies wallet could have took him on loan like wolves have, a bit of success on the back of ALFs goals would have attracted bigger crowds and possibly paid for itself, however he's decided to belatedly pay 10k for a striker when 15k would've got Le Fondre, short term thinking in the extreme deserves to get relegated. Quote
Big E Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 100% agreed. SURELY there must have been a way we could have agreed a deal for Le Fondre when it was so fucking obvious we needed him i may be being daft here but to sign him needed money. money which bwfc did not have. therefore no le fondre? Quote
Carlos Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 SURELY we could have borrowed it from Wonga? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) i may be being daft here but to sign him needed money. money which bwfc did not have. therefore no le fondre? Eddies got money, he's choosing not to spend it to try and push club forward that's fine it's up to him but he shouldn't be surprised when we're struggling with sub 10k crowds and a league 1 club. Oh and I'll still be there when he's gone, but I'll be one of the very few. Edited September 24, 2015 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Big E Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Eddies got money, he's choosing not to spend it to try and push club forward that's fine it's up to him but he shouldn't be surprised when we're struggling with sub 10k crowds and a league 1 club. Oh and I'll still be there when he's gone, but I'll be one of the very few. #superfan i don't think he is moaning is he? i certainly haven't heard him. the fact still remains BWFC could not afford it and so it did not happen. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 It's hardly breaking Eddies wallet could have took him on loan like wolves have, a bit of success on the back of ALFs goals would have attracted bigger crowds and possibly paid for itself, however he's decided to belatedly pay 10k for a striker when 15k would've got Le Fondre, short term thinking in the extreme deserves to get relegated. Eddies got money, he's choosing not to spend it to try and push club forward that's fine it's up to him but he shouldn't be surprised when we're struggling with sub 10k crowds and a league 1 club. Oh and I'll still be there when he's gone, but I'll be one of the very few. Mounts, seriously... Eddie cannot bankroll salaries. That's not how FFP works. He could bankroll transfer fees, and add it to the debt, but the wages need to be covered by gate receipts etc. If we got promoted it would be a gamble that pays off, but if not then we'd be in the shit. I don't think anyone wants that. Quote
gonzo Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 I wanted ALF as much as the next man but you have to ask yourself,from the boards point of view what's the point? What's the point in busting the bank to sign a player to score a few goals to push us on around mid table? His stay was very nice last season but it cost us a shit load of cash for an end of season piss about with the odd goal chucked in. You're either going for it or you're happy treading water where we are. I think the club are happy just doing the latter for the time being. The shop is shut until someone buys it. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Mounts, seriously... Eddie cannot bankroll salaries. That's not how FFP works. He could bankroll transfer fees, and add it to the debt, but the wages need to be covered by gate receipts etc. If we got promoted it would be a gamble that pays off, but if not then we'd be in the shit. I don't think anyone wants that. Have you thought this through? He's now given Lennon 10k when ALF is around 15k that's hardly bank rolling a salary a few extra supporters through the turnstile would cover the gap, every goal scored could take us within sight of play offs, increase crowds and possibly hike up the value of the club and create interest of a possible new owner. Like I've said its Eddies call but I can't for the life of me agree that it's the right course of action for the club or the business. Edited September 24, 2015 by Mounts Kipper Quote
snowball Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Mounts, seriously... Eddie cannot bankroll salaries. That's not how FFP works. He could bankroll transfer fees, and add it to the debt, but the wages need to be covered by gate receipts etc. If we got promoted it would be a gamble that pays off, but if not then we'd be in the shit. I don't think anyone wants that. We are already in the shit. Relegation certainties begging for a striker from our rivals, we can't expect any better than Madine. It's embarrassing. If our owner was interested he would have found a way round FFP, like other clubs have. He's not putting another penny in and that's his right.The club is drifting so why should the ordinary fans who are despised on here fork to watch a club in terminal decline. Especially as the Chairman who has made bad decision after bad decision is trousering a massive salary whatever happens on or off the pitch. ALf could have made a difference but we didn't have money at the time but is got nothing to do with a badly run football club? Just watch us waste money now we are desperate on another no hoper. Already knocked away days on the head and the Gartside Appreciation Society can sit in a near empty Macron next season congratulating themselves that they are the proper fans anyway, hope you enjoy it. Quote
frank_spencer Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Which other clubs have 'found a way round ffp' Certainly not forest or Blackburn. That's despite forest selling 2 of their best players last January to try and avoid it. Quote
frank_spencer Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Have you thought this through? He's now given Lennon 10k when ALF is around 15k that's hardly bank rolling a salary a few extra supporters through the turnstile would cover the gap, every goal scored could take us within sight of play offs, increase crowds and possibly hike up the value of the club and create interest of a possible new owner. Like I've said its Eddies call but I can't for the life of me agree that it's the right course of action for the club or the business.15k a week is 50% more than the alleged 10k a week we've cobbled together. Not forgetting any loan fee.Also Lefondre joined wolves before the Ream sale freed up some room in the budget. Quote
waffer cup 07 Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 FFP is to restrictive some control was needed but if ffp send clubs into decline, how can that be good for the game. Quote
frank_spencer Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 FFP is to restrictive some control was needed but if ffp send clubs into decline, how can that be good for the game.If we'd stuck to similar rules as ffp we wouldn't be in so much debt. Davies, Gartside etc do have to shoulder the blame for allowing spending to be so out of control for so long. But as has been said before nobody cared til we were relegated and the shit really hit the fan Quote
MancWanderer Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 It can be debated all day but two things are clear 1. Eddie Davies is putting no more money into the club 2. We haven't got a pot to piss in, selling off part of the car park and borrowing money off a loan company to pay the bills We can carry on debating it but at the end of the day as supporters of the club we can do two things 1. Stop going and become a shitfan 2. Keep on going and be a superfan Will either of the above two make a big difference to where the club ends up? But we can keep on debating it.... Sadly, it's fuck all to do with us. The very people that really keep a club going Quote
Cheese Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Have you thought this through? He's now given Lennon 10k when ALF is around 15k that's hardly bank rolling a salary a few extra supporters through the turnstile would cover the gap, every goal scored could take us within sight of play offs, increase crowds and possibly hike up the value of the club and create interest of a possible new owner. Like I've said its Eddies call but I can't for the life of me agree that it's the right course of action for the club or the business. Where has this "15k" figure suddenly come from? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Where has this "15k" figure suddenly come from? I'm pretty sure that's the figure mentioned last season. Quote
Cheese Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 I'm pretty sure that's the figure mentioned last season. In other words - you have no idea. Quote
victor meldrew Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Nile Ranger is available Rather have Madine. madine = the lame ranger!! Quote
bwfc87 Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Pretty sure there's a debt thread. Jsl Quote
Sweep Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Pretty sure there's a debt thread. Jsl True, but it still seems there are plenty don't get our current plight, hence it has to be pointed out on a regular basis Quote
superkev Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Nile Ranger is available Rather have Nile Rodgers Quote
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