Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 17 hours ago, bolty58 said: Fucking hell. From you. Of course I do. Just another day having to read garbage from fucking morons like you. You still haven't twigged it have you? The game he plays is to have any opposition off balance. Once achieved the serious negotiations can start. Plenty of things he does are seemingly crazy until you consider his regular tactic. Yes, I do acknowledge that some are actually crazy. As I have repeated many times, there are plenty of things he does/says which I disagree with but 'the greater good' and all that (such as Venezuela, Iran, drug shipment attacks, illegals removal etc.). What will always make me smile is the way he pushes the buttons of his detractors - you included. He was the disruptor the world needed. In just under 1,100 days the disruption will end. At least you get it, unlike most on here... it's basic "Maslow", I've used it myself many times... knock them down the hierarchy of needs to "survival" and then start talking. Trump draws on McGregor X and Y also Quote
Winchester White Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Dimron said: At least you get it, unlike most on here... it's basic "Maslow", I've used it myself many times... knock them down the hierarchy of needs to "survival" and then start talking. Trump draws on McGregor X and Y also Why does he not use his amazing negotiating skills on Putin then? He has also led 6 casinos/hotels into bankruptcy; he isn't some amazing businessman he's a grifter and bully. He is also starting to lose his marbles and having a load of sycophants surrounding him isn't great. If he actually did just concentrate on USA and stop interfering with fellow NATO allies then all would be much better. Quote
Sweep Posted January 18 Posted January 18 32 minutes ago, Dimron said: At least you get it, unlike most on here... it's basic "Maslow", I've used it myself many times... knock them down the hierarchy of needs to "survival" and then start talking. Trump draws on McGregor X and Y also I think you may be giving Trump a bit too much credit....still,we'll only really know how good our bad he is once his term finishes. At the minute, unless he's being really, really clever I'd say he looks like he's making it up as he goes along Quote
Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 19 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Why does he not use his amazing negotiating skills on Putin then? He has also led 6 casinos/hotels into bankruptcy; he isn't some amazing businessman he's a grifter and bully. He is also starting to lose his marbles and having a load of sycophants surrounding him isn't great. If he actually did just concentrate on USA and stop interfering with fellow NATO allies then all would be much better. Trump is the only one who actually meets and phones Putin unlike Starmer who just "tut tuts" in his lawyer speak and Queen Ursulla of Europe who is fundamentally shit scared of the Russians coming from Saxony Quote
Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Sweep said: I think you may be giving Trump a bit too much credit....still,we'll only really know how good our bad he is once his term finishes. At the minute, unless he's being really, really clever I'd say he looks like he's making it up as he goes along But isn't blagging and battering the oppo part of the process? Quote
Winchester White Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Dimron said: Trump is the only one who actually meets and phones Putin unlike Starmer who just "tut tuts" in his lawyer speak and Queen Ursulla of Europe who is fundamentally shit scared of the Russians coming from Saxony Putin is only interested in meeting with Trump. Look at what happened when Macron met Putin, the same would happen if any UK PM met him. Quote
Spider Posted January 18 Posted January 18 27 minutes ago, Dimron said: Trump is the only one who actually meets and phones Putin unlike Starmer who just "tut tuts" in his lawyer speak and Queen Ursulla of Europe who is fundamentally shit scared of the Russians coming from Saxony Putin only meets Trump so he can show the world who wears the pants in that relationship Quote
Sweep Posted January 18 Posted January 18 56 minutes ago, Dimron said: But isn't blagging and battering the oppo part of the process? Not usually as far as World leaders go it isn't, but we are now in very different times. Years ago, I'm sure this sort of stuff went on, and we heard very little about it, as I'm sure those involved generally had the courtesy to speak to each other before anything was released to the outside world. These days, it seems, the first anybody in the world knows about his ideas/policies, is when Trump himself puts it out on TruthSocial. Quote
Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: Not usually as far as World leaders go it isn't, but we are now in very different times. Years ago, I'm sure this sort of stuff went on, and we heard very little about it, as I'm sure those involved generally had the courtesy to speak to each other before anything was released to the outside world. These days, it seems, the first anybody in the world knows about his ideas/policies, is when Trump himself puts it out on TruthSocial. He negotiates like I do on construction projects... this is why folk like me shouldn't be in charge of the world's biggest economy 🫢 Quote
Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 56 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Putin is only interested in meeting with Trump. Look at what happened when Macron met Putin, the same would happen if any UK PM met him. They found common ground regarding defeating terrorism as I recall... something to build on? Quote
Zico Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Dimron said: But isn't blagging and battering the oppo part of the process? In construction, maybe Quote
Winchester White Posted January 18 Posted January 18 13 minutes ago, Dimron said: He negotiates like I do on construction projects... this is why folk like me shouldn't be in charge of the world's biggest economy 🫢 That's why it won't be the worlds biggest economy for much longer. Quote
Spider Posted January 18 Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, Dimron said: They found common ground regarding defeating terrorism as I recall... something to build on? The thing is Ron Once you’ve shown your hand, and people realise you play the same hand every time, you’re not as strong. Trump’s MO is now exposed and it’s fucking shite. Fortunately for him he has a massive military to back him up but you can’t really go around threatening your centuries-old allies with that, it won’t work. The bloke is thick as fuck. Quote
Dimron Posted January 18 Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, Zico said: In construction, maybe Trump always tells us he loves construction... I recognise the tactics straight away Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: Putin is only interested in meeting with Trump. Look at what happened when Macron met Putin, the same would happen if any UK PM met him. Putin isn't that interested in Trump. Putin may be interested in lining the pockets of certain septics for a bit of blind eye turning, but he won't care one jot for the American president. Trump's action in Venezuela is one massive swipe at Putin, as is the seizure of tankers. No doubt something in it for Trump etc, but the only reason him and Putin aren't going at it hammer and tongs in the availability of nukes. America would win in a heartbeat: Putin knows that, hence trying to placate Trump whilst actually doing nowt to end the Ukraine war. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 18 Posted January 18 58 minutes ago, Dimron said: They found common ground regarding defeating terrorism as I recall... something to build on? Then Russia commits one huge act of terrorism. Loads to build on. Not. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Putin isn't that interested in Trump. Putin may be interested in lining the pockets of certain septics for a bit of blind eye turning, but he won't care one jot for the American president. Trump's action in Venezuela is one massive swipe at Putin, as is the seizure of tankers. No doubt something in it for Trump etc, but the only reason him and Putin aren't going at it hammer and tongs in the availability of nukes. America would win in a heartbeat: Putin knows that, hence trying to placate Trump whilst actually doing nowt to end the Ukraine war. Not sure I totally agree, it keeps Putin relevant. Let's be honest they are both egotistical wankers. Quote
MancWanderer Posted January 18 Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Spider said: The dementia seems to be setting in fast. Hhhhmmm. I’m not sure. There’s an obvious age-related cognitive decline and coupled with massive narcissistic tendencies is driving his behaviour I think According to him he “passed” his MoCA test. You don’t “pass” a MoCA test. A MoCA test measures your cognition. There is no pass or fail. He may have had a result that says he has an acceptable measure of decline based on his age. That’s not “passing” it. His narcissism has led to him claiming “victory” I think his narcissism is getting worse not his dementia personally Quote
Spider Posted January 18 Posted January 18 17 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Hhhhmmm. I’m not sure. There’s an obvious age-related cognitive decline and coupled with massive narcissistic tendencies is driving his behaviour I think According to him he “passed” his MoCA test. You don’t “pass” a MoCA test. A MoCA test measures your cognition. There is no pass or fail. He may have had a result that says he has an acceptable measure of decline based on his age. That’s not “passing” it. His narcissism has led to him claiming “victory” I think his narcissism is getting worse not his dementia personally Fair points. Unfortunately what we now have are 2 significant world leaders with obsessive levels of self interest. Putin wants to be seen as the saviour of the Soviets, and Trump wants to be seen as fucking Superman or Batman or something. It’s a fucking mess. Quote
MancWanderer Posted January 18 Posted January 18 19 minutes ago, Spider said: Fair points. Unfortunately what we now have are 2 significant world leaders with obsessive levels of self interest. Putin wants to be seen as the saviour of the Soviets, and Trump wants to be seen as fucking Superman or Batman or something. It’s a fucking mess. I completely agree. Both would happily sabre rattle us back to a Cold War imo. Obviously you will disagree but I genuinely think that @bolty58 has a point that Trump’s modus operandi is disruption, which I get, and can see a logic, however, his utter narcissism negates this ever being a positive. Put Obama doing the same thing and I’d be on board Quote
Spider Posted January 18 Posted January 18 20 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: I completely agree. Both would happily sabre rattle us back to a Cold War imo. Obviously you will disagree but I genuinely think that @bolty58 has a point that Trump’s modus operandi is disruption, which I get, and can see a logic, however, his utter narcissism negates this ever being a positive. Put Obama doing the same thing and I’d be on board I agree about him being disruptive. But that’s all he is. There’s no plan, just act the cunt and hope for the best. It might work when you’re playing with daddy’s money but this is world politics. The guy couldn’t be any less suited to diplomacy is he tried. Quote
MancWanderer Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, Spider said: I agree about him being disruptive. But that’s all he is. There’s no plan, just act the cunt and hope for the best. It might work when you’re playing with daddy’s money but this is world politics. The guy couldn’t be any less suited to diplomacy is he tried. Yep. It’s where he comes up short. I genuinely get his “disruption” but he hasn’t got the capability to make it work Quote
bolty58 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 10 hours ago, waffer cup 07 said: The lunatic will do anything to deflect attention from the Epstein Files. I can't disagree. I've tried Arctic Monkeys references and all sorts. Nothing seems to have worked. Quote
bolty58 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 9 hours ago, kent_white said: He does seem very keen to pick off easy targets - and less so the ones with any chance of actually resisting. Operation Urgent Fury. A fine template Quote
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