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I'm not even sure he is splitting fans at the moment as he is doing a good job and I think everyone is behind him. I just disagree he has been on fire for 18 months.

 

This is team is built for him and I'm glad he is doing the business

There's a habit on here of re writing history my friend.

 

You summed it up perfectly a couple of posts ago.

 

Folk just get carried away.

 

We are nowhere near out of the woods financially yet folk are after new contracts being dished out.

 

If there is money to spare I'd rather bring in renforcements than chuck it at Gary Madine as if he's the saviour.

There's a habit on here of re writing history my friend.

 

You summed it up perfectly a couple of posts ago.

 

Folk just get carried away.

 

We are nowhere near out of the woods financially yet folk are after new contracts being dished out.

 

If there is money to spare I'd rather bring in renforcements than chuck it at Gary Madine as if he's the saviour.

All it’s and buts BUT.

 

Say we don’t need to sell Madine in this window, which is the information that we’ve got at the moment. If we don’t sign him up to a new deal then as of summer he’s in the last year of his contract. I don’t believe that we’d have ever got £6m for him but if he’s got 2 years left on his contract then you’ve got a better chance of holding out for £3-4m rather than the £1-2m you’d be having to take it he’s going for fuck all in a years time.

 

If in order to do that we give him a new contract with an extra £4-5k per week, then we’ve spent £80-100k over the next 5 months to be in a far better position to make an extra couple of million if we want to cash in in summer. Plus we keep our best player and he’s probably going to be a happy lad with more cash.

All it’s and buts BUT.

 

Say we don’t need to sell Madine in this window, which is the information that we’ve got at the moment. If we don’t sign him up to a new deal then as of summer he’s in the last year of his contract. I don’t believe that we’d have ever got £6m for him but if he’s got 2 years left on his contract then you’ve got a better chance of holding out for £3-4m rather than the £1-2m you’d be having to take it he’s going for fuck all in a years time.

 

If in order to do that we give him a new contract with an extra £4-5k per week, then we’ve spent £80-100k over the next 5 months to be in a far better position to make an extra couple of million if we want to cash in in summer. Plus we keep our best player and he’s probably going to be a happy lad with more cash.

...well when you put it like that

 

It's all fair enough, I trust KA to handle this accordingly and hope Madine carries on the way he has.

 

I'm just not aboard the hype train like some that's all.

Madine has been good for the past few months but let's be honest he's no mcginley. We will probably give him a better contract and the goals will dry up. If we sell him I for one won't lose any sleep imo we need a lot more than madine to stay up.

Madine has been good for the past few months but let's be honest he's no mcginley. We will probably give him a better contract and the goals will dry up. If we sell him I for one won't lose any sleep imo we need a lot more than madine to stay up.

Lose Madine and we will need even more, not a good idea.

Edited January 22, 20188 yr by Mounts Kipper

Lose Madine and we will need even more, not s good idea.

Agree. Some people don't get it. It's not about Madines ability compared to mcginlay, walker or any other great strikers of the past. He would always be inferior. It's about his value to this team now!

...well when you put it like that

 

It's all fair enough, I trust KA to handle this accordingly and hope Madine carries on the way he has.

 

I'm just not aboard the hype train like some that's all.

this completely

 

Them that reckon Madine’s been like Pele for 18 months are likely to be the same idiots that used to chant Riga, Riga

Edited January 22, 20188 yr by jules_darby

...well when you put it like that

 

It's all fair enough, I trust KA to handle this accordingly and hope Madine carries on the way he has.

 

I'm just not aboard the hype train like some that's all.

it’s not hype it’s facts pal

 

10 goals 5 assists speaks volumes without them we would be certainly planning our league 1 away games

it’s not hype it’s facts pal

 

10 goals 5 assists speaks volumes without them we would be certainly planning our league 1 away games

Give it up pal. Hes dogshit and just having a lucky 4 game spell at the minute

this completely

 

Them that reckon Madine’s been like Pele for 18 months are likely to be the same idiots that used to chant Riga, Riga

Anyone who doesnt admit he was brilliant for us last year is a fuckong idiot imo

 

Slightly different from saying hes like pele

 

We all know you hate the bloke

Give it up pal. Hes dogshit and just having a lucky 4 game spell at the minute

And we are completely set up to play to him so it doesn’t matter if we lose him because any big lump could do it - step forward Mr Wilbraham, in fact he’s even bigger than Madine so will be even better than it.

 

Riga Riga Riga!!

Parky does very much set us up to play off him

 

And for that reason we’d be mad to sell him right now

 

Not sure many are arguing with that are they?

 

You carry on the hysterics though boys

Parky does very much set us up to play off him

 

And for that reason we’d be mad to sell him right now

 

Not sure many are arguing with that are they?

 

You carry on the hysterics though boys

Playing off him is completely different to setting up a team to play for him. It made it sound like he has it easy because the team is set up for him and therefore he should be playing well and scoring goals - it’s completely the opposite, he gets balls lumped up at him, very little support and fuck all chances created. Obviously the team is set up to have Madine in it, but that doesn’t mean that he benefits from that.

 

As for hysterics bringing comparisons to Pele and trying to link him Riga already has that wrapped up.

 

I appreciate that some people will think Madine is better/more important than others, and I’m probably towards the better and more important end, but anyone trying to say he has just done his job, has had 4 good games, is easily replaceable etc is just not happy to admit they were wrong.

Playing off him is completely different to setting up a team to play for him. It made it sound like he has it easy because the team is set up for him and therefore he should be playing well and scoring goals - it’s completely the opposite, he gets balls lumped up at him, very little support and fuck all chances created. Obviously the team is set up to have Madine in it, but that doesn’t mean that he benefits from that.

 

As for hysterics bringing comparisons to Pele and trying to link him Riga already has that wrapped up.

 

I appreciate that some people will think Madine is better/more important than others, and I’m probably towards the better and more important end, but anyone trying to say he has just done his job, has had 4 good games, is easily replaceable etc is just not happy to admit they were wrong.

And that is absolutely spot on!

Promising news on Madine. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/15890107.Wanderers_offer_improved_deal_to_keep_key_man_at_Macron/

Looks like Chris Martin going to Sunderland

Much rather they kept it under wraps

 

As soon as he doesn’t score for 3 or 4 matches he’ll be an even easier target for criticism with some new bigger contract.

 

And if he carries on as he is. Well he’s got a new bigger contract so he should be scoring.

Playing off him is completely different to setting up a team to play for him. It made it sound like he has it easy because the team is set up for him and therefore he should be playing well and scoring goals - it’s completely the opposite, he gets balls lumped up at him, very little support and fuck all chances created. Obviously the team is set up to have Madine in it, but that doesn’t mean that he benefits from that.

 

As for hysterics bringing comparisons to Pele and trying to link him Riga already has that wrapped up.

 

I appreciate that some people will think Madine is better/more important than others, and I’m probably towards the better and more important end, but anyone trying to say he has just done his job, has had 4 good games, is easily replaceable etc is just not happy to admit they were wrong.

Eddie, you're reading what you want into some of this...

 

Nobody has said that it should be easy for Madine because of how we play. We all see the shite floaty balls he has to (and often admirable recently) deal(s) with from the likes of Beevers, Wheater and Dervite

 

That said, he should be involved with the lion's share of our goals. Because of the above and because that's his role. That;s not a critique but a condition.

 

In my opinion (which I am allowed) last season he was ok, nothing more nothing less; He was good in some games but went missing in others; yes we struggled without him, but we had no similar "type"; it said more about that and PP's one plan than his performances in isolation; that said we won promotion and it's happy days all around.

 

I said clean slate for him this season and my opinion again, is that he's been better than he was last season, despite the step up in standard. Overall there can't really be much complaint about him this season - he fluffs stuff and misses sitters, but his contribution more than makes up for it and if he didn't fuck up he'd be playing at a higher level than us.

 

I genuinely think it's a mental thing with him - more so than many players, hence his Jekyll and Hyde like performances. Long may his current state continue, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden those of us that believe he's not always been great for us were wrong. It's like he must be impervious to any criticism or otherwise we don;t appreciate him at all!

 

As for his importance to us now - it's critical; especially given the way PP approaches matches. And easily replaceable? Again, I've not seen that mentioned but not a chance. Particularly to a team that hasn't paid a transfer fee in years!

 

 

 

OK, ok, I was winding you up with the Riga comment.....

 

 

 

 

let me replace it with this - the same idiots that were clamouring for the wonderful Derik to return 

Derik?

Now he is dogshit.

 

We should also remember that as well as Madine is doing right now, he was one of our best hide & seek player last time around in this league when the shit began to hit the fan and that prior to this season, his record on this division was something like 10 goals in 90 games.

 

ie this might be a purple patch.

Eddie, you're reading what you want into some of this...

 

Nobody has said that it should be easy for Madine because of how we play. We all see the shite floaty balls he has to (and often admirable recently) deal(s) with from the likes of Beevers, Wheater and Dervite

 

That said, he should be involved with the lion's share of our goals. Because of the above and because that's his role. That;s not a critique but a condition.

 

In my opinion (which I am allowed) last season he was ok, nothing more nothing less; He was good in some games but went missing in others; yes we struggled without him, but we had no similar "type"; it said more about that and PP's one plan than his performances in isolation; that said we won promotion and it's happy days all around.

 

I said clean slate for him this season and my opinion again, is that he's been better than he was last season, despite the step up in standard. Overall there can't really be much complaint about him this season - he fluffs stuff and misses sitters, but his contribution more than makes up for it and if he didn't fuck up he'd be playing at a higher level than us.

 

I genuinely think it's a mental thing with him - more so than many players, hence his Jekyll and Hyde like performances. Long may his current state continue, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden those of us that believe he's not always been great for us were wrong. It's like he must be impervious to any criticism or otherwise we don;t appreciate him at all!

 

As for his importance to us now - it's critical; especially given the way PP approaches matches. And easily replaceable? Again, I've not seen that mentioned but not a chance. Particularly to a team that hasn't paid a transfer fee in years!

 

 

 

OK, ok, I was winding you up with the Riga comment.....

 

 

 

 

let me replace it with this - the same idiots that were clamouring for the wonderful Derik to return

A well balanced and spot on summary.

 

Long may he continue his decent form and it's good the club are in a position to keep wanted players.

Eddie, you're reading what you want into some of this...

 

Nobody has said that it should be easy for Madine because of how we play. We all see the shite floaty balls he has to (and often admirable recently) deal(s) with from the likes of Beevers, Wheater and Dervite

 

That said, he should be involved with the lion's share of our goals. Because of the above and because that's his role. That;s not a critique but a condition.

 

In my opinion (which I am allowed) last season he was ok, nothing more nothing less; He was good in some games but went missing in others; yes we struggled without him, but we had no similar "type"; it said more about that and PP's one plan than his performances in isolation; that said we won promotion and it's happy days all around.

 

I said clean slate for him this season and my opinion again, is that he's been better than he was last season, despite the step up in standard. Overall there can't really be much complaint about him this season - he fluffs stuff and misses sitters, but his contribution more than makes up for it and if he didn't fuck up he'd be playing at a higher level than us.

 

I genuinely think it's a mental thing with him - more so than many players, hence his Jekyll and Hyde like performances. Long may his current state continue, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden those of us that believe he's not always been great for us were wrong. It's like he must be impervious to any criticism or otherwise we don;t appreciate him at all!

 

As for his importance to us now - it's critical; especially given the way PP approaches matches. And easily replaceable? Again, I've not seen that mentioned but not a chance. Particularly to a team that hasn't paid a transfer fee in years!

 

 

 

OK, ok, I was winding you up with the Riga comment.....

 

 

 

 

let me replace it with this - the same idiots that were clamouring for the wonderful Derik to return

Fair enough Jules, can’t disagree with most of that.

 

The point about confidence is spot on, you can tell that he’s going out there now believing that he can play in this league and cause problems - having the whole away end singing your name for basically the whole match (and 3 different songs) at somewhere like Sheffield United must be massive for him.

 

The less said about Derik the better - he did play for Real Madrid though you know.

A well balanced and spot on summary.

 

Long may he continue his decent form and it's good the club are in a position to keep wanted players.

Yes and yes

The main reason for keeping madine is going with wilbraham will 100pc mean relegation

Federico Marchetti signed ??

Coyle has signed ngog for ross county