(That long since we've had any, couldn't find the thread)

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Bolton lead the race for the 20 year old midfielder"

Edited December 11, 20169 yr by Ratwhite

Well it doesn't appear that they necessarily view ACD as first choice whatsoever.

Not sure how you correlate one cost with another, considering they are different situations.

52 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Well it doesn't appear that they necessarily view ACD as first choice whatsoever.

Not sure how you correlate one cost with another, considering they are different situations.

There certainly is considering the Swedish lad has played 13 games total.

Hope his nickname The Priest.

6 hours ago, jmjhb said:

There certainly is considering the Swedish lad has played 13 games total.

One they see enormous potential in and view the price worth paying, especially as other clubs will no doubt have noticed.

One they paid nothing for, have sent out on loan to lower league clubs twice already, and don't appear to view him as ready for the first team yet.

Reportedly, they are in talks over a new contract, but the lad himself may feel that he needs to look elsewhere, given new arrivals.

So quite clear different situations, and prospective transfer fees will be poles apart.

Whether we could afford that fee, who knows, but of course it would also depend upon how much any club is prepared to offer, and how much the lad wants to stay or go.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

One they see enormous potential in and view the price worth paying, especially as other clubs will no doubt have noticed.

One they paid nothing for, have sent out on loan to lower league clubs twice already, and don't appear to view him as ready for the first team yet.

Reportedly, they are in talks over a new contract, but the lad himself may feel that he needs to look elsewhere, given new arrivals.

So quite clear different situations, and prospective transfer fees will be poles apart.

Whether we could afford that fee, who knows, but of course it would also depend upon how much any club is prepared to offer, and how much the lad wants to stay or go.

I’d think he’d sign a new contract with Brighton if there’s an offer on the table, doubt he’d get the same salary anywhere else.

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d think he’d sign a new contract with Brighton if there’s an offer on the table, doubt he’d get the same salary anywhere else.

Depends exactly how much they're offering and how much he wants to play.

Long term, he may be better off (including financially) to play games.

14 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't think the barrier to us re-signing ACD is him playing for their first-team but going elsewhere on loan

They signed ACD on a 4 year deal, if that 3rd year is spent out on loan (like the previous 2) then maybe they don't fancy him. Would they loan him out, and then let him come back in his final year, when he'll be able to walk away for nothing?

I'd be surprised if they don't try and sell him this year, whilst he has some value, especially now they've signed (or are about to) this bloke for £21M

If they're happy to loan him or again, we have a chance. If they want to sell, we don't, I wouldn't have thought

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Sweep

It makes sense for ACD to sign a new deal at Brighton and get that security. He's already had an underwhelming champ spell, better for him to take a new deal at Brighton and then come back to us and prove himself in the champ.

43 minutes ago, Sweep said:

If they're happy to loan him or again, we have a chance. If they want to sell, we don't, I wouldn't have thought

This sums up the situation. His value has risen whilst out on loan last season so another season on loan would make sense, unless they think he is nearly ready for first team.

If he is going out on loan be surprised if that is higher level than Championship, so where would be better than Bolton ? He is settled here and crucially when injured was looked after by our staff. One thing SS has ensured is that injured players have not been rushed back and given time to recover fully.

I would be disappointed if he went out on loan it was not to us. Especially if in this country including Scotland.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Depends exactly how much they're offering and how much he wants to play.

Long term, he may be better off (including financially) to play games.

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d think he’d sign a new contract with Brighton if there’s an offer on the table, doubt he’d get the same salary anywhere else.

but as we've seen quite a bit in recent years lads will go out to European leagues to get top flight games rather than bench warm or be loaned out to the championship

and be much better off for it

I agree with the view that loan, we have a chance, buy we don’t.

Just using it as an example though, it’s where the world of second tier football becomes a massive gamble. We won’t break even without profit on players and frankly, £1m here and there won’t do it either.

Say Brighton would sell for £5-6m with a nice sell on clause - I don’t think we have the capital backing to stump it up at this point, but if we did and the shareholders saw the opportunity, do you find the £5m on the gamble that he has a wonder season either this year or next in the championship and suddenly you can sell for £10-15m?

He’s the kind of player that could have that season, he’s the kind of player that would catch the attention, but then again he could have another season like he did at Rovers and there goes your £5m.

Glad it’s not me making those decisions (again, I don’t think we’re in a place at the mo to be making such big ones but maybe at the £2-3m mark we are).

Unless we've got long term investment coming in - I would be taking as few risks as possible unfortunately

58 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I agree with the view that loan, we have a chance, buy we don’t.

Just using it as an example though, it’s where the world of second tier football becomes a massive gamble. We won’t break even without profit on players and frankly, £1m here and there won’t do it either.

Say Brighton would sell for £5-6m with a nice sell on clause - I don’t think we have the capital backing to stump it up at this point, but if we did and the shareholders saw the opportunity, do you find the £5m on the gamble that he has a wonder season either this year or next in the championship and suddenly you can sell for £10-15m?

He’s the kind of player that could have that season, he’s the kind of player that would catch the attention, but then again he could have another season like he did at Rovers and there goes your £5m.

Glad it’s not me making those decisions (again, I don’t think we’re in a place at the mo to be making such big ones but maybe at the £2-3m mark we are).

But to play devil's advocate, it's £5m and we offer him a 4 yr deal, it's only £1.25m a season in instalments...

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

But to play devil's advocate, it's £5m and we offer him a 4 yr deal, it's only £1.25m a season in instalments...

Agreed, there would be ways to soften the blow. But then let’s say we go straight back down, you’re locked into another £3.75m of future payments with £12m less revenue. Whichever way you look at it, to make big (enough) you’ve got to be spending big (relatively) in the first place, unless you can rely on an academy system to produce them instead - which is why Conway will be given a good shot at it next season because if he can prove himself to some degree at the Championship level then we’ve potentially developed our own c.£5m asset.

Anyway, straying into the finance side but it was just to highlight that the gambles on player signings have (possibly obviously) just stepped up a notch!

24 minutes ago, Traf said:

But to play devil's advocate, it's £5m and we offer him a 4 yr deal, it's only £1.25m a season in instalments...

Amortisation doesn't mean the transfer fee is actually paid to the selling club in installments. It's just recorded that way on the books.

...we don't even know if he's good enough for the championship.

Can you all stop talking about finance in the transfer thread, people don't want to read that shit!!!

(or so they keep telling me).

14 minutes ago, Traf said:

But to play devil's advocate, it's £5m and we offer him a 4 yr deal, it's only £1.25m a season in instalments...

It all depends on how the club applies the Squad Cost Rules (SCR), the EFL have not made the detail known to the clubs as yet (not publicly anyway).

I know you amongst many others hate my lengthy posts so I'll make this as short as I can.

There is about £5m equity in the club now I reckon, so FV need to put investment into the club - under SCR it is capped at £15m per season.

Basically this equity has been covering our annual trading losses. which was last known to be £13m (the club) or £14m (FV - as the holding company), whichever the ERL applies it to.

It is reasonable to assume a similar trading loss will be made in our first season in the Championship, meaning another £15m investment is needed for the second season as well.

The problem hits in the third season as SCR only allows investment of £33m over a three year period.

The remaining £3m of equity under the SCR cap will not be enough to fund the club through that season..

That's one of the issues resulting from SCR clubs like ours will need to plan for.

FFS