Terror Attacks

[Zico]

Fair enough.  So one country?

 

As I said, I'm surprised (well, not by Pakistan) but if it turns out that all countries that have corporal punishment also have high rates of violent rime then Id be happy to reconsider my thoughts on it.

 

Again, it is in no way fully indicative of what introducing it into the UK might bring about for a specific instance such as this.

 

20 Most Violent Countries - there's other lists too, but they're based on things like war, so this one based on crime seems a good start

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/worlds-most-dangerous-countries-colombia-yemen-el-salvador-pakistan-nigeria-a7934416.html

 

Countries with death penalty:

https://www.infoplease.com/world/political-statistics/death-penalty-worldwide

 

it's 12-8 to those with the death penalty

 

make of it what you will, but I suspect you just want to bring corporal punishment back based on a hunch

[madthatter]

So equally, why would you think the cultural norms of an eye for an eye from Pakistan would work in Britain?

 

Careful.

 

Again you can't make a direct comparison.

 

If it was stated by the powers that be tomorrow that anyone found guilty of an acid attack would have similar treatment as punishment the shock value would be much higher than in Pakistan.  The little fcukers that do these things know full well they'll get away relative scot free.

 

if that situation changes they'd more than think twice I reckon.  And once one person has that fate, not many more would want it upon themselves.

 

Folk say above about the victims saying they don't want that kind of retribution -well that's fine.  They find peace.

 

The flip side of that is perhaps someone who faces that punishment might one day come out and say it was the right thing, they deserved it and now want to make positive differences with their lives.  Who knows, but that's why i think that but it's not as simple as saying I want Pakistani law is it?

[madthatter]

20 Most Violent Countries - there's other lists too, but they're based on things like war, so this one based on crime seems a good start

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/worlds-most-dangerous-countries-colombia-yemen-el-salvador-pakistan-nigeria-a7934416.html

 

Countries with death penalty:

https://www.infoplease.com/world/political-statistics/death-penalty-worldwide

 

it's 12-8 to those with the death penalty

 

make of it what you will, but I suspect you just want to bring corporal punishment back based on a hunch

 

Those stats are for corporal or capital?  Big difference.

 

Zico, I'm not really that arsed as it's not what i was ever getting at other than in response to what's happening in the UK.

 

I'll happily admit it's a 'hunch' as there are no other precedents.  You can look at other countries all day but, well, see my other posts.

[mickbrown]

And you teach? Bet you hark back to the good old days of twatting little kids for fogetting their homework

[madthatter]

And you teach? Bet you hark back to the good old days of twatting little kids for fogetting their homework

 

Don't think the ones I teach should have to do compulsory homework . . . so there!

 

Cheap digs now because I have a different opinion.

 

What was NiC on about the other day?  

[mickbrown]

Don't think the ones I teach should have to do compulsory homework . . . so there!

 

Cheap digs now because I have a different opinion.

 

What was NiC on about the other day?

Nope. Not a cheap dig. Just a hunch. Or an opinion. Take your pick

[madthatter]

Nope. Not a cheap dig. Just a hunch. Or an opinion. Take your pick

 

My opinion and hunch are that it was a dig  

[Zico]

Those stats are for corporal or capital?  Big difference.

 

Zico, I'm not really that arsed as it's not what i was ever getting at other than in response to what's happening in the UK.

 

I'll happily admit it's a 'hunch' as there are no other precedents.  You can look at other countries all day but, well, see my other posts.

 

if you're not arsed, stop asking the questions

 

but, globally, culture to culture, capital or corporal punishment rarely if ever acts as a deterrent

 

acid attacks are increasing, as are knife crimes, as is crime in general

 

there's no way we'd go backwards and bring back corporal or capital punishment for a variety of reasons, so deal with it

 

restricting the sale of acid is about the best chance we've got of reducing these types crimes

 

that and getting more police back on the street

 

admittedly that doesn't sound as "exciting" or carry the same sense of justice for some, but it's more plausible

 

or you could go and do a protest on downing street or something like a online petition if you think it'll do any good and believe in it that much

[mickbrown]

My opinion and hunch are that it was a dig

Well you do seem to make a habit of having the 'wrong' opinions.

[Boby Brno]

Let’s have a referendum, that’ll sort it once and for all.

Well, maybe not.

[bolty58]

thing about the death penalty, for me, is innocent people will get killed as well

 

 

How many innocent people did the Beatles kill FFS?

[miamiwhite]

Anyway you bunch of left wing arse bandits....what did Owen Jones have to say on the death sentences ?

[Zico]

How many innocent people did the Beatles kill FFS?

 

to be honest, I wouldn't be that bothered what happened to them

 

if another country chooses to kill them, so be it - have said before that ISIS and Nazis can be dealt with however the country in which they commit their crimes see fit

 

wouldn't want it back in this country for various reasons, one being innocents will invariably get killed

 

most of theses terrorists are willing to die for their cause anyway, so I don't think death would bother them that much

 

would much rather see them in solitary for the rest of their lives slowly going mad or something

[miamiwhite]

to be honest, I wouldn't be that bothered what happened to them

 

if another country chooses to kill them, so be it - have said before that ISIS and Nazis can be dealt with however the country in which they commit their crimes see fit

 

wouldn't want it back in this country for various reasons, one being innocents will invariably get killed

 

most of theses terrorists are willing to die for their cause anyway, so I don't think death would bother them that much

 

would much rather see them in solitary for the rest of their lives slowly going mad or something

Personally, the life imprisonment is always at risk of some human rights lawyer trying to get folk off from crimes they’re guilty of.

Plus the obvious chance of radicalising others is high on the security concerns too.

 

Re the death sentence......there should be an exemption and used sparingly when there is absolute clear cut proof of guilt.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I keep hearing words to the effect of 'if we execute them we are sinking to their level'. Bollocks.

 

These two primitively cruel cunts won't be beheaded, burned alive, drowned in cages or thrown off high building. A humane lethal injection if they are sent to the right US state.

 

Against the death penalty generally but not in special cases like this where the human race should not be paying for the upkeep of such sub human scum.

 

Hang em high.

I can go with that.

As for these Beatles; seems to be a lack of clarity as to whether they were stripped of their citizenship.

Also on the radio earlier was a bloke explaining how there are loads of western jihadies being captured out there at the moment and there is a need for their countries to act with regard to getting them back and tried.

Seemed fair enough; and if they are sentenced to life or death then I won't lose a great deal of sleep over it.

[miamiwhite]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Imdz1sBGuwc

 

Say it as it is son...

[Guest]

How many innocent people did the Beatles kill FFS?

 

 

Eleanor Rigby?

[kent_white]

 

Say it as it is son...

Madthatter looks nothing like how I'd pictured him

[Tonge moor green jacket]

25 years seems reasonable.

[Youri McAnespie]

It's possible to sentence twenty years already, the full tariff isn't enforced though.

 

The cowardly cunt who ordered the attack on Katie Piper got a tariff of 16 years - this is the longest sentence of the cases I've read about.

 

It's such a reprehensible crime I doubt even the woolliest of liberals would object to 25 year (every day of) sentences.

[madthatter]

Madthatter looks nothing like how I'd pictured him

 

I'm much more gammon than that with big sausage like fingers and droopier jowels.

 

The golf club tie with embossed logo is spot on though.  Never leave home without it   

[madthatter]

if you're not arsed, stop asking the questions

 

but, globally, culture to culture, capital or corporal punishment rarely if ever acts as a deterrent

 

acid attacks are increasing, as are knife crimes, as is crime in general

 

there's no way we'd go backwards and bring back corporal or capital punishment for a variety of reasons, so deal with it

 

restricting the sale of acid is about the best chance we've got of reducing these types crimes

 

that and getting more police back on the street

 

admittedly that doesn't sound as "exciting" or carry the same sense of justice for some, but it's more plausible

 

or you could go and do a protest on downing street or something like a online petition if you think it'll do any good and believe in it that much

 

I asked if you felt the rates would reduce - that's all.

 

You don't, which is fair enough, but then proceeded to dig up stats on countries crime rates and methods of punishment.  That's what i wasn't that arsed about.

 

Doesn't really say much for what could happen here but it doesn't really bother me either as for this specific crime I'd have that punishment.  I don't care if you, Mick or anyone else disagrees but you aren't going to change my mind on this by showing me such data, as I've said. 

 

I'll readily admit these sort of crimes sicken me at a deep level - that they'll most likely be walking free in a few years after using up their free gym memberships and what not doesn't sit right at all.

 

And if you think getting more police back on the street is more plausible then you're well potty

Edited July 25, 2018 by madthatter

[deane koontz]

You don't get more cowardly than throwing acid at folk never mind at  a bloody 3 year old. I'd happily watch the cunts getting drowned in a vat of acid. 

[miamiwhite]

Anyone going to support him ?

 

Minus Zero fucks from me

 

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[Casino]

Hes a cnut

 

And cons who think they can be judge and jury are cunts, too