Mate of mine is there says a bomb just went off

If they intend to apply the change in the law retrospectively that will almost certainly be subject to a legal challenge. In which case, the government can't lose - the courts find in their favour and they get to implement the policy, the courts rule against them and it's more grist to the mill for the anti-establishment narrative.

Scrapping Control Orders in 2012 as they 'infringed human rights' hasn't helped one bit. Thanks for that Cameron (and the other tosser who then scarpered to go work for FB). Same sort of woolly wrong headed bollocks that led May to scrap stop and search.

Can't blame Labour for either of these utterly stupid decisions. ALL of this country's liberal elite haven't got an ffn clue.

 

49 minutes ago, Burnden Pies said:

Scrapping Control Orders in 2012 as they 'infringed human rights' hasn't helped one bit. Thanks for that Cameron (and the other tosser who then scarpered to go work for FB). Same sort of woolly wrong headed bollocks that led May to scrap stop and search.

Can't blame Labour for either of these utterly stupid decisions. ALL of this country's liberal elite haven't got an ffn clue.

 

To be fair, I'd have expected labour to have done the same, but sooner

But that's supposition

Facts are facts

BOOM

8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If they intend to apply the change in the law retrospectively that will almost certainly be subject to a legal challenge. In which case, the government can't lose - the courts find in their favour and they get to implement the policy, the courts rule against them and it's more grist to the mill for the anti-establishment narrative.

Just as the WW legal team predicted. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51365970

 

 

21 minutes ago, freds dad said:

Just as the WW legal team predicted. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51365970

 

 

Ok, just give them longer sentences to begin with

23 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Ok, just give them longer sentences to begin with

Life without parole would be a good start. 

10 hours ago, Casino said:

Aye

Populist, knee jerk reaction to satisfy the mail

3rd time in recent months the tories have had to rush stuff through the day after something happens

Suppose theyve only had 10 years

Populist knee jerk reaction ?

Nothing to do with public safety then ! You really take the biscuit.

The law is an ass. Execute the bastards - problem solved.

@MrMichaelSpicer on Twitter has a funny piece about Patel and for non Twitter users 

 

Edited February 4, 20206 yr by freds dad

Just a slip of the tongue

Just hang the fuckers. 

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Just hang the fuckers. 

Pay per view and then invest the sales proceeds into funding more offficers to try and prevent it

blowing them up individually would be much more fun and graphic but would be more expensive 

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

Populist knee jerk reaction ?

Nothing to do with public safety then ! You really take the biscuit.

Absolutely. Moving with the times.

Proposals along these lines 10 years or so ago would have been met with outrage from shouty liberals and may have been a vote loser.

A listen to the minister yesterday may have been enlightening in some quarters.

An explanation that the nature of terrorism is changing all the time and is now different to what it was a decade ago. 

It's possible that this is in part due to the efforts of security forces.

Keep up the good work.

As for Alf's point: it's true that these fuckers are just having their release put back, however the minister did say that it won't be automatic any more and they will have to pass evaluation.

Obviously still an issue there, and hopefully we'll toughen up in that regard too and keep them locked up indefinitely if not deemed fit to be released.

It's all very good evaluating them before release but the London Bridge attacker last year had been evaluated and was even attending an event to show how good the system is around changing the mindset of these animals.They will work out how to beat the system and share this knowledge with others.

Either a full life sentence in solitary or a bullet to the head for all convicted terrorists with them being given the choice when convicted.

Just now, freds dad said:

It's all very good evaluating them before release but the London Bridge attacker last year had been evaluated and was even attending an event to show how good the system is around changing the mindset of these animals.They will work out how to beat the system and share this knowledge with others.

Either a full life sentence in solitary or a bullet to the head for all convicted terrorists with them being given the choice when convicted.

Indeed.

A lot of investment supposedly going into the area of psychological evaluation, not convinced myself, but I suppose indeterminate sentences would be considered a step too far at the moment and would have every human rights lawyer licking their lips.

May well happen eventually though.

I believe the Chinese are ahead of us on how to deal with problematic Muslims, perhaps a fact finding visit to Xinjiang Province could be a better way forward, or their rehabilitation incorporated  into a trade deal

4 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

I believe the Chinese are ahead of us on how to deal with problematic Muslims, perhaps a fact finding visit to Xinjiang Province could be a better way forward, or their rehabilitation incorporated  into a trade deal

21 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

I believe the Chinese are ahead of us on how to deal with problematic Muslims, perhaps a fact finding visit to Xinjiang Province could be a better way forward, or their rehabilitation incorporated  into a trade deal

Why don’t you go and have a visit and report back how you get on.

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Just hang the fuckers. 

This....regardless of race or religion.

2 hours ago, Moon boy said:

I believe the Chinese are ahead of us on how to deal with problematic Muslims, perhaps a fact finding visit to Xinjiang Province could be a better way forward, or their rehabilitation incorporated  into a trade deal

Wow! 

2 hours ago, Moon boy said:

I believe the Chinese are ahead of us on how to deal with problematic Muslims, perhaps a fact finding visit to Xinjiang Province could be a better way forward, or their rehabilitation incorporated  into a trade deal

You're called Moon boy for a reason aren't you 

If it's not a crap attempt at humour it must rank as one of the oddest posts on here.

19 hours ago, Casino said:

Aye

Populist, knee jerk reaction to satisfy the mail

3rd time in recent months the tories have had to rush stuff through the day after something happens

Suppose theyve only had 10 years

To be fair it's gone on for years and is known as stable door legistation.

Rose and Crown Hotel in Saffron Walden had a fire on Boxing Day 1969 which led to many hotel and boarding house laws

Top Storey Club in Bolton 1961 led to the Licensing Act

Lots of incidents create lots of legislation. https://www.firesafe.org.uk/history-of-fire-safety-legislation/

I know this page is peculiar to Fire Safety Law but Public Safety Law will be the same.

 

 

44 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

If it's not a crap attempt at humour it must rank as one of the oddest posts on here.

And that’s saying something 

According to this the attacker's mum claims he was further radicalised whilst in jail.

 

I wonder if she thought to say something.