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15 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Have your cake and eat it basically, it doesn’t take into account the red lines laid out by the EU 

It’s as far fetched as anything Boris has come up with 

But again, it’s easy offering a position when you don’t have to go and deliver it 

Its very deliverable. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was exactly where we end up on this merrygoround.

It won't please the hardcore Brexiteers though - but there does appear to be a parliamentary plan being hatched to push towards this option. 

I'm not saying it is a good one - simply that May ruled it out right from the start - and actually it is a better option economically in all likelihood than what she has delivered. 

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56 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nonsense. There's nothing in the legal advice that wasn't already revealed in the Withdrawal Agreement. The oddest thing about all this is why the Government were so willing to act in contempt of Parliament to keep it hidden. Bizarre.

That is true. Except that the government and May specifically tried to insinuate that EU and international law meant in reality we couldn't be "trapped" - a poster on here picked up on that a while ago in one of her Commons' addresses. However, the legal advice says the exact opposite!

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2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

So then, which poster is winning the prediction race ?

 

Im pretty sure Mounts has consistently said No Deal will be the final outcome.

 

Will leave my rod on the riverbank.....:D

No he hasn't. He's said we'll get a great deal and everything will be cushty.....time and time again. 

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1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Norway has free movement of people as well, not quite the model people voted for 

I’m fine with it though 

Well indeed - but then who knows what people voted for? Certainly not what is on offer. One might argue that more would support the Norway model than the one on the table given a Norway model would satisfy some Brexiteers and a lot of remainers. 

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39 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Its very deliverable. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was exactly where we end up on this merrygoround.

It won't please the hardcore Brexiteers though - but there does appear to be a parliamentary plan being hatched to push towards this option. 

I'm not saying it is a good one - simply that May ruled it out right from the start - and actually it is a better option economically in all likelihood than what she has delivered. 

Is it? 

From what I can recall from the Confrence speech Corbyn was very woolly with regards free movement of people to work and travel across the EU. I’m sure his position was that he wouldn’t ignore the country’s clear message from the referendum - take back control 

Trying to get full access to the single market whilst refusing to accept free movement of people has always been a red line 

 

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Norway applied for EEC membership at the same time as Denmark, Ireland and UK.

Like Denmark and Ireland, Norway held a referendum before joining, but the Norwegian proposal was lost, so Norway remained in EFTA (where UK and the others had been), whereas the Danish and Irish populations agree to join. The UK (Heath's Conservative government) joined without a public vote, but the Labour government (Wilson's second) gave a referendum on staying or leaving.

Norway tried again but the public again did not accord with the political class, so they settled for their current position (out with no representation, but some benefits at significant cost).

No-one, not Mark Carney, not Mervyn King knows how this will pan out whichever option we end up with.

The USA has its problems (!), Germany is at the end of an era and preparing for the unknown, France's brash new broom is threatening to fall apart, Russia continues to act as a rogue state and China massages its growth figures.

So, all in all, everything is a mess and I doubt anyone knows what will be the situation in 5 or 10 years' time.

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27 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Is it? 

From what I can recall from the Confrence speech Corbyn was very woolly with regards free movement of people to work and travel across the EU. I’m sure his position was that he wouldn’t ignore the country’s clear message from the referendum - take back control 

Trying to get full access to the single market whilst refusing to accept free movement of people has always been a red line 

 

Oh aye there are problems with Labour's position which moves constantly. And he went from calling for a Norway model to not calling for a Norway model to essentially calling for it but not calling it a Norway model. Its a mess. 

However, what I meant was, May could have agreed that deal with the EU. And probably had a better chance with it . Both the Tory red lines and Labour tests are "undeliverable" in their entirety. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The commons will vote against TM plan and the government will have to go back to the EU for more concessions and suprise suprise concessions will follow.  I see just as predicted earlier in this thread Corbyn failed to do the TV debate. It’s all so predictable.

The only thing you’ve correctly predicted in the last 2 years is the result of the referendum 

beyond that, your record is dreadful

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2 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

Norway applied for EEC membership at the same time as Denmark, Ireland and UK.

Like Denmark and Ireland, Norway held a referendum before joining, but the Norwegian proposal was lost, so Norway remained in EFTA (where UK and the others had been), whereas the Danish and Irish populations agree to join. The UK (Heath's Conservative government) joined without a public vote, but the Labour government (Wilson's second) gave a referendum on staying or leaving.

Norway tried again but the public again did not accord with the political class, so they settled for their current position (out with no representation, but some benefits at significant cost).

No-one, not Mark Carney, not Mervyn King knows how this will pan out whichever option we end up with.

The USA has its problems (!), Germany is at the end of an era and preparing for the unknown, France's brash new broom is threatening to fall apart, Russia continues to act as a rogue state and China massages its growth figures.

So, all in all, everything is a mess and I doubt anyone knows what will be the situation in 5 or 10 years' time.

At times of uncertainty there is strength in numbers

i do believe Mr Churchill said something along those lines. He certainly benefited from the assistance of a large ally....

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8 minutes ago, Spider said:

At times of uncertainty there is strength in numbers

i do believe Mr Churchill said something along those lines. He certainly benefited from the assistance of a large ally....

We allied with Stalin's unholy Soviet Union before Pearl Harbour brought FDR's USA into action. JSL

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3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

That is true. Except that the government and May specifically tried to insinuate that EU and international law meant in reality we couldn't be "trapped" - a poster on here picked up on that a while ago in one of her Commons' addresses. However, the legal advice says the exact opposite!

A sovereign nation such as UK can abrogate a treaty.

An international body, such as EU, is not a nation and cannot do so. EO

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3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

 

 

Im pretty sure Mounts has consistently said No Deal will be the final outcome.

 

 

That's the exact opposite of what he's predicted - in fact he's always maintained we'll have an excellent deal, that sees us a lot better of than we currently are

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3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 

However, what I meant was, May could have agreed that deal with the EU. And probably had a better chance with it .

 

 

so, a deal that saw free movement at its core

not a chance

 

for me, id go norway deal but a seat at the making the decisions table

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29 minutes ago, Casino said:

so, a deal that saw free movement at its core

not a chance

 

for me, id go norway deal but a seat at the making the decisions table

Not a chance of what? Getting through parliament? I think it would. Pleasing everyone? No it wouldn’t but then nothing will.

 

I will go with your third line! Absolutely.

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56 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That's the exact opposite of what he's predicted - in fact he's always maintained we'll have an excellent deal, that sees us a lot better of than we currently are

 Nearly right but not quite, I’ve said a deal will get sorted, but I never ever said a lot better off. 

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