Guest Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: So our win famine has more or less lasted the same length as the Brexit extension. Bloody Hell! And neither are over, yet! Quote
fatolive Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Can't disagree, but I do think that solutions can and will be found. Whether they will be agreed....? Think that’s exactly the point I was making, there are solutions, from custom unions, sea borders , remote checks. , agri food alliance etc etc, but such is the complexity each either causes an issue for one side or the other or in some cases causes myther for every one on both sides. Every solution has a problem in this case ! That line has been causing problems since it was first conceived. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, fatolive said: Perhaps, but to do that they would need to have an alternative proposal to agree too? It was Britain’s proposal in the first place that was rejected , so now they are saying, ok, you’re parliament rejected it, what’s the alternative? Not aware we’ve given them one We'll have to see. The point is a simple one though. TM government/eu agreed to it. Parliament said no. Parties involved don't want no deal- therefore sort out an alternative. What does it matter who comes up with it? If Britain offers a solution, and the EU say no, then does it mean they should then find an alternative? This is the essence of the issue. Too many of those involved don't really want brexit to happen. Will use whatever measures to scupper it. Instead of accepting a democratic vote result and working together for a common good. One thing is does suggest in my mind that we were definitely right to vote to leave. Quote
fatolive Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We'll have to see. The point is a simple one though. TM government/eu agreed to it. Parliament said no. Parties involved don't want no deal- therefore sort out an alternative. What does it matter who comes up with it? If Britain offers a solution, and the EU say no, then does it mean they should then find an alternative? This is the essence of the issue. Too many of those involved don't really want brexit to happen. Will use whatever measures to scupper it. Instead of accepting a democratic vote result and working together for a common good. One thing is does suggest in my mind that we were definitely right to vote to leave. Get the point , but no not really, those wanting to leave voted against TM deal with it in, so up to them initially I’d say, but agree it doesn’t matter who does, but can’t blame the EU because no one has given them anything to refuse yet . But it’s round in circles this And fucking wilbraham just scored so bollox to it Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, fatolive said: Get the point , but no not really, those wanting to leave voted against TM deal with it in, so up to them initially I’d say, but agree it doesn’t matter who does, but can’t blame the EU because no one has given them anything to refuse yet . But it’s round in circles this And fucking wilbraham just scored so bollox to it Do you think Boris and his lot would have waited so long if the EU had signalled a more positive, open stance on it all. Remember the WA wasn't for renegotiation. Hardly conducive to getting together for the greater good. It's just what they do, and precisely what David Davis said they'd do years ago. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: See you soon in person not behind a keyboard. Enjoy your night with Razor x Are you stalking me? I’m really not that handsome. Quote
fatolive Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Do you think Boris and his lot would have waited so long if the EU had signalled a more positive, open stance on it all. Remember the WA wasn't for renegotiation. Hardly conducive to getting together for the greater good. It's just what they do, and precisely what David Davis said they'd do years ago. The EU said yes to the British governments proposal, how much more positive do they need to be? The British government went back then and said, that proposal got rejected the EU said ok give us the alternative we haven’t done so. Slightly praphrased but that’s the gist It’s not like we are chucking ideas at them that they keep saying no to, we have not given them anything since that deal got rejected and TM tried getting it through again and again, Boris voted for it once even I think but to be honest ive lost track and as I said, it’s round and round in circles. Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We'll have to see. The point is a simple one though. TM government/eu agreed to it. Parliament said no. Parties involved don't want no deal- therefore sort out an alternative. What does it matter who comes up with it? If Britain offers a solution, and the EU say no, then does it mean they should then find an alternative? This is the essence of the issue. Too many of those involved don't really want brexit to happen. Will use whatever measures to scupper it. Instead of accepting a democratic vote result and working together for a common good. One thing is does suggest in my mind that we were definitely right to vote to leave. What % of the people in Ireland (North and South) voted for the U.K. to leave the EU? Your simplifying it as it doesn’t mean as much to you However it does matter to the people who will have to live with ‘the solution’ I could live with either TM’s deal or the Irish Sea solution in between mainland Britain and Ireland Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 11 hours ago, birch-chorley said: What % of the people in Ireland (North and South) voted for the U.K. to leave the EU? Your simplifying it as it doesn’t mean as much to you However it does matter to the people who will have to live with ‘the solution’ I could live with either TM’s deal or the Irish Sea solution in between mainland Britain and Ireland If you go back a few hundred pages you'll find I was suggesting take TM deal. Work on changes in time if things could be improved to mutual benefit. As for the people who live there; perhaps they'd have much more confidence if their elected representatives stopped pulling in different directions, stopped the constant criticism and worked together. Simply accept the result and come up with answers. Quote
Guest Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: If you go back a few hundred pages you'll find I was suggesting take TM deal. Work on changes in time if things could be improved to mutual benefit. As for the people who live there; perhaps they'd have much more confidence if their elected representatives stopped pulling in different directions, stopped the constant criticism and worked together. Simply accept the result and come up with answers. Yet weren't you one who applauded Gove going on the offensive against Corbyn? Its funny how you want people to work together but it seems very one sided. Why hasn't Boris established a cross-party group to support his Brexit work? He knew the numbers before starting..... Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Trade secretary Liz Truss on R5L Apparently our trade strategy post BREXIT is to strike trade deals with free market, democratic countries such as USA, Japan and Australia I thought we were meant to be ‘unshackling’ ourself from the EU so we can strike Trade Deals with the growing economies? Forgive me if I am wrong but GDP growth in those countries has been very similar to the EU over the past 20 - 30 years surely? Quote
Casino Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 james cleverly on radio 5 this morning another one who gave me no confidence loads of waffle and he even claimed to not know the content of bozos 'final offer' Quote
Guest Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Casino said: james cleverly on radio 5 this morning another one who gave me no confidence loads of waffle and he even claimed to not know the content of bozos 'final offer' He's one of the most objectionable ones in that he's completely and utterly stupid, and will toe the party line no matter what. He literally has done an about turn from when May was in charge. I cannot stand that level of duplicity and stupidity - yet he's rarely properly challenged. He was humiliated on QT by Gina Miller yet then just ignored it. No substance. He's just a mouthpiece who will say whatever he's told to say without thinking or questioning it. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Well well. A somewhat different approach than TM. Some nifty ideas, DUP inside, and an opportunity for the assembly to have some level of control. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Well well. A somewhat different approach than TM. Some nifty ideas, DUP inside, and an opportunity for the assembly to have some level of control. Bit late in the day though Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Bit late in the day though Tactics. A big concession (particularly the DUP), for an all Ireland goods area. Steve Baker has just said that he backs this aspect of the 'deal'. Still wants more detail on future relationship, which he will discuss later. No doubt some tweaks to be done, and hopefully the EU will bend a little. If however he can get the erg on side as well as the DUP, there's a decent chance of it getting through. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Tactics. A big concession (particularly the DUP), for an all Ireland goods area. Steve Baker has just said that he backs this aspect of the 'deal'. Still wants more detail on future relationship, which he will discuss later. No doubt some tweaks to be done, and hopefully the EU will bend a little. If however he can get the erg on side as well as the DUP, there's a decent chance of it getting through. I have a feeling Ireland and the EU won't like some aspects, let's see. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I have a feeling Ireland and the EU won't like some aspects, let's see. Of course. Dublin will have a lot of soul searching to do. Listening to Malcolm Rifkind earlier. He's no fan of Boris but was pleasantly surprised and supportive. As he explained, Dublin regarded anything including checks anywhere as being a hard border. He went on to say that was daft, as movement for people and goods won't be affected and there will be no infrastructure, so in no way represents a move back towards the previous set up. He was intimating that if Dublin was prepared to go for it, then that would be good enough for the EU. Just needs some common fucking sense to be applied. Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Of course. Dublin will have a lot of soul searching to do. Listening to Malcolm Rifkind earlier. He's no fan of Boris but was pleasantly surprised and supportive. As he explained, Dublin regarded anything including checks anywhere as being a hard border. He went on to say that was daft, as movement for people and goods won't be affected and there will be no infrastructure, so in no way represents a move back towards the previous set up. He was intimating that if Dublin was prepared to go for it, then that would be good enough for the EU. Just needs some common fucking sense to be applied. I see a flaw in your plan. Quote
Casino Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Baker and his mongy mates in the ERG aren t going to be backing this so called proposal And bozo knows as much If it gets put to parliament, will he be sacking those in his party who don't support it Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 49 minutes ago, Casino said: Baker and his mongy mates in the ERG aren t going to be backing this so called proposal And bozo knows as much If it gets put to parliament, will he be sacking those in his party who don't support it Oh dear, NiC will be grilling you for insulting people. Then again..... Quote
Spider Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Another day, another few inches closer to No Deal. The NI proposal is weaker than pint of Iranian lager. But the sTories know that better than anyone. Closed another Irish account today. It’s. All. Going. Really. Well. And. Is. Fantastically. Organised. Quote
paulhanley Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Relentless remainer lies. One after another. From politicians of all colours. Shameful. Quote
Spider Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 Priti Patel is one of the most terrifying politicians of recent times. Disgustingly, I still would. I feel all queer. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 2, 2019 Author Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Spider said: Priti Patel is one of the most terrifying politicians of recent times. Disgustingly, I still would. I feel all queer. If you feel queer fella, then I’m the biggest woofter going, as I’d certainly treat her to the best five minutes of her life. Quote
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