Guest Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Cheese said: Ok, give an example then. For you? Quote
Cheese Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, boltondiver said: For you? For everyone. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 There goes any chance Johnson had of getting his deal through parliament. Quote
Guest Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Quite a few saying the new Letwin amendment will pass tomorrow - this amendment seems to be to in effect delay a decision on the deal until it comes forward in form of a full withdrawal bill and instead to delay the exit until that point. Which would mean tomorrow is a damp squib and Boris would have to ask for an extension - then present the withdrawal bill on Monday debate it and pass it through the whole house along with accompanying legislation. That would in effect mean an extension secured (or refused) before MPs would vote on the bill one way or another Quote
Sweep Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Boris would have to ask for an extension He'd rather be dead in a ditch than do that Quote
Escobarp Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Macron - there will be no extension unless something major changes Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Macron - there will be no extension unless something major changes Like a second referendum? 💣 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Salford Trotter said: Like a second referendum? 💣 Possibly who knows i for one wouldn’t be voting in it or ever again to be honest and don’t think I will be alone. Quote
Sweep Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Macron - there will be no extension unless something major changes He'll have no problem with an extension if it comes to it, as it means us tipping in another £1B into the coffers for each month that we extend Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 . Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we wouldn't leave on brexit day in March. Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we would be leaving with no deal on brexit day in March. Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we would leave with a bad deal on brexit day in March. etc etc etc. (And Yes, theres more than Cheese who have changed their predictions more often than an Iphone weather forcast, but you get the idea.) Quote
Spider Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Possibly who knows i for one wouldn’t be voting in it or ever again to be honest and don’t think I will be alone. Barnier has said we'd always be welcome back. Fucking hell Imagine the next government putting that in the manifesto "An in/out referendum" Shiiiiit Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Like a second referendum? 💣 I hope you are not suggesting that EU officials are trying to influence UK politics ? Oh, you are. As you were. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: I hope you are not suggesting that EU officials are trying to influence UK politics ? Oh, you are. As you were. Not at all, just trying to work out if a second referendum is what he means by something major. Could be a GE too I suppose Quote
Jol_BWFC Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Several commentators yesterday explained that they're in danger of losing votes and seats at the next election if they ended up forcing a no deal situation. Plenty of unionists up in arms, but plenty seem to be willing to accept something they perceive as being better for their business. If true, then they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Perhaps abstaining wouldn't be seen as bad as voting against. Can't see them abstaining to be honest, but this is a strange time for politics. Thanks for that. Very strange times indeed. If Saturday’s session drags on and they don’t vote until the evening, BBC Parliament will certainly be more interesting viewing than the garbage “entertainment” shown on ITV and BBC1 on Saturday nights. Quote
Sweep Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Like a second referendum? 💣 I'd laugh a lot if that happened - as it would just round the whole farcical affair off nicely, especially if the decision was reversed (and I'm not saying it would be, fuck knows how it would turn out) Quote
Sweep Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said: Not at all, just trying to work out if a second referendum is what he means by something major. Could be a GE too I suppose the "something major" would have to be a GE I think To be fair, the EU should tell us to fuck off, and not offer any extensions at all - either we vote through the deal they've agreed with our PM, or we should go "no deal" we can't keep going back and forth forever Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said: There goes any chance Johnson had of getting his deal through parliament. Not really. I saw some of him earlier, and wasn't sure if he was just using no deal in reference to the trade deal. Whichever, the fact still remains we would have the withdrawal agreement. Any government subsequent to this could look to do a trade deal with the EU or anyone else, whenever they saw fit. Therefore it would make no sense for them not to do it now. Indeed without the backstop, which, as you know some feared would leave us locked into the EU, it would be more incumbent upon the EU to help ensure one was sorted to the benefit of all. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Macron - there will be no extension unless something major changes A bit of pressure. Still not sure they wouldn't grant one, but not guaranteed to do so. Just more politics. Quote
Cheese Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said: Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we wouldn't leave on brexit day in March. Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we would be leaving with no deal on brexit day in March. Cheese wasn't guessing when he said we would leave with a bad deal on brexit day in March. etc etc etc. (And Yes, theres more than Cheese who have changed their predictions more often than an Iphone weather forcast, but you get the idea.) I'm honoured by your obsession. Not sure what your point is, other than a personal one? And I fully admit I was completely wrong about us Leaving with No Deal in March. I have said it many times. I was absolutely convinced at the time. That's why I haven't made any predictions since. I dont know how this makes you feel better about the situation. Edited October 18, 2019 by Cheese Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) To be fair to cheese he always said we will still be in the EU in 2020 (the old banana up arse on the town hall steps bet) He was broadly ridiculed as being insane If we leave on 31st October then he was out by 9 weeks If have another extension, for whatever reason, even if it’s just a case of getting the legal work done then he’s likely to have been proven right *Although the legal work shouldn’t take long as it’s broadly the same deal as TM’s Edited October 18, 2019 by birch-chorley Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 54 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not really. I saw some of him earlier, and wasn't sure if he was just using no deal in reference to the trade deal. Whichever, the fact still remains we would have the withdrawal agreement. Any government subsequent to this could look to do a trade deal with the EU or anyone else, whenever they saw fit. Therefore it would make no sense for them not to do it now. Indeed without the backstop, which, as you know some feared would leave us locked into the EU, it would be more incumbent upon the EU to help ensure one was sorted to the benefit of all. The transition period closes on 31st December 2020 so if the WA passes through parliament tomorrow we have 14 months to negotiate the toughest part of the process. Unless of course we keep delaying that date if we still have a hung parliament post the next election. Quote
Spider Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 We’re not “out” on 31st Oct in any situation. that is simply the withdrawal coming into effect and were still subject to EU rules Cheese won get over it. Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Cheese said: I'm honoured by your obsession. Not sure what your point is, other than a personal one? And I fully admit I was completely wrong about us Leaving with No Deal in March. I have said it many times. I was absolutely convinced at the time. That's why I haven't made any predictions since. I dont know how this makes you feel better about the situation. Sorry, it wasn't intendedto be personal, it was more in response to yourself saying that the pre-ceeding 1000 pages were not full of guesswork. And as I stated, we have been guilty of it. I guessed that the MP's would uphold the will of the people. So we have ll been wrong. Quote
Cheese Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: Sorry, it wasn't intendedto be personal, it was more in response to yourself saying that the pre-ceeding 1000 pages were not full of guesswork. And as I stated, we have been guilty of it. I guessed that the MP's would uphold the will of the people. So we have ll been wrong. I didn't say that, but no worries Ziggy. Edited October 18, 2019 by Cheese Quote
Spider Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Spider said: We’re not “out” on 31st Oct in any situation. that is simply the withdrawal coming into effect and were still subject to EU rules Cheese won get over it. I’m not siding with him he’s still a cunt 😉 Quote
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