Politics

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Jonathan Pie:

 

Dominic Raab said Northern Ireland’s part in the Brexit deal is a positive because: “They will remain in the UK but also have equal access to the Single Market.” So exactly like what the rest of the UK has while currently in the EU, you painfully ludicrous bellpipe.

Genius

I still can't believe we're actually doing this.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

You’re so clever, you should definitely go into politics 

You should go into professional point-missing.

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

You’re so clever, you should definitely go into politics 

Was thinking the same. I bet these multi millionaires all look at smegma and fanny5 and just wish they could be as clever as them 😍😍😍😍

[Guest]

Just now, Cheese said:

You should go into professional point-missing.

I withdraw my comment

[Jol_BWFC]

I may be missing something, but why would the DUP abstain? By doing that they would be complicit in helping the deal to pass - which they don’t want to happen.

[Escobarp]

Just now, Jol_BWFC said:

I may be missing something, but why would the DUP abstain? By doing that they would be complicit in helping the deal to pass - which they don’t want to happen.

Agree and don’t think you’re missing anything. Political suicide it would be and would serve no purpose whatsoever for them. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That post just about sums you up it’s all about being proven correct so much so you wish is that our economy tanks to be proven correct, that is beyond reprehensible. For the record you’ll be waiting for a long time.... unless labour perform a miracle and get into power that is. 

No I don't want it to happen. Its going to though. It won't tank because we have a deal - it will just remain in its sluggish state until end of 2020 and then depending upon what happens likely remain sluggish. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Was thinking the same. I bet these multi millionaires all look at smegma and fanny5 and just wish they could be as clever as them 😍😍😍😍

Wow. So if someone has made money we should all show deference to whatever nonsense they decide is "best". Seems to be that having an opinion is a bad thing in your world. Not mine. You don't have to be very clever to run rings round the likes of Raab. 

[Escobarp]

14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Wow. So if someone has made money we should all show deference to whatever nonsense they decide is "best". Seems to be that having an opinion is a bad thing in your world. Not mine. You don't have to be very clever to run rings round the likes of Raab. 

Isn’t deciding what’s best for the country not the paid profession of elected MP’s? Is that not what they are supposed to do? As well as “enact the will of the people”. The real issue is there are a large number of people who feel they know better. 

In “my world” I’m all for opinions actually and it’s all about how they are expressed and acted upon. 

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Isn’t deciding what’s best for the country not the paid profession of elected MP’s? Is that not what they are supposed to do? As well as “enact the will of the people”. The real issue is there are a large number of people who feel they know better. 

In “my world” I’m all for opinions actually and it’s all about how they are expressed and acted upon. 

 

MPs are there to do what they consider best for their constituents. Most MPs I think do this in general.

The government less so since they play a game of politics rather than serving the country. 

For example - this very Brexit deal when the EU offered it - and May considered it - the very same people who are saying they will now vote for it were saying it was an outrage to put a border down the Irish sea. Including Boris. The politics means those very same people are now saying what a good deal it is. Nothing at all to do with the good for the country - simply about politics. 

 

 

 

[birch-chorley]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

We already know that, part of this great new deal that Boris is talking about actually states that we cannot have/negotiate more favourable terms than the EU already has (level playing field)  - fishing is a bit fucked as well I think.

 

Sadly it means Farage is going to be around for many more years yet

We really do need to stop talking about fishing. It’s absolutely tiny and has no impact whatsoever on the U.K. economy 

I don’t think the UK fishing Industry is even a quarter of the size of B&M Bargains, nobody bothers asking what the deal means for B&M! 

The questions need to be, what would a deal deliver for Financial Services, Service sector in general, Car Manufacturing, Industries that actually make a contribution ffs 

Not aimed at you Sweep but I can’t fathom why Fishing is such an emotive part of BREXIT 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

MPs are there to do what they consider best for their constituents. Most MPs I think do this in general.

The government less so since they play a game of politics rather than serving the country. 

For example - this very Brexit deal when the EU offered it - and May considered it - the very same people who are saying they will now vote for it were saying it was an outrage to put a border down the Irish sea. Including Boris. The politics means those very same people are now saying what a good deal it is. Nothing at all to do with the good for the country - simply about politics. 

 

 

 

A different example

parliament delegated the vote to the people 

 

You know the rest

[Escobarp]

Just now, boltondiver said:

A different example

parliament delegated the vote to the people 

 

You know the rest

Took the words out of my mouth. 

[Sweep]

48 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I may be missing something, but why would the DUP abstain? By doing that they would be complicit in helping the deal to pass - which they don’t want to happen.

they wouldn't as in this instance abstaining is the same as voting for it, pretty much. There will be enough rebel Labour MPs to get it over the line, with or without the DUP anyway I reckon

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I can’t fathom why Fishing is such an emotive part of BREXIT 

I'm the same to be honest, I'd be quite happy if we just sold all the fishing grounds off and forgot about it as an industry, it's always brought up though

[Spider]

Just now, Sweep said:

I'm the same to be honest, I'd be quite happy if we just sold all the fishing grounds off and forgot about it as an industry, it's always brought up though

I wouldn't mind but as a nation we only bother with 4 or 5 varieties of fish anyway. Most of the stuff dredged up is sold to the Meds.

If all the cod, pollock, mackerel and plaice could just gather off the coast of Scarborough, we'd make a fortune selling the rest to the spanish.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

58 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I may be missing something, but why would the DUP abstain? By doing that they would be complicit in helping the deal to pass - which they don’t want to happen.

Several commentators yesterday explained that they're in danger of losing votes and seats at the next election if they ended up forcing a no deal situation.

Plenty of unionists up in arms, but plenty seem to be willing to accept something they perceive as being better for their business.

If true, then they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Perhaps abstaining wouldn't be seen as bad as voting against.

Can't see them abstaining to be honest, but this is a strange time for politics.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

I wouldn't mind but as a nation we only bother with 4 or 5 varieties of fish anyway. Most of the stuff dredged up is sold to the Meds.

If all the cod, pollock, mackerel and plaice could just gather off the coast of Scarborough, we'd make a fortune selling the rest to the spanish.

How often do you go down to the fish market?

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

I wouldn't mind but as a nation we only bother with 4 or 5 varieties of fish anyway. Most of the stuff dredged up is sold to the Meds.

If all the cod, pollock, mackerel and plaice could just gather off the coast of Scarborough, we'd make a fortune selling the rest to the spanish.

Exactly. Good British fish. Fuck all those foreign gilled cunts and the traitor fish who choose to swim outside British waters.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Cheese

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

A different example

parliament delegated the vote to the people 

 

You know the rest

The difference being those who wanted to stay - still have that conviction now. They still have that belief. And they also will say that the projections including those of the government show people will be worse off. So an MP that doesn't have a strong view either way has to decide do I vote for honouring the result in the belief I make my constituents poorer? Its somewhat less clear cut. 

But what you're not having  is someone 6 months ago say "this is a terrible thing that no Conservative government ever could or should agree to" 6 months later say "wow isn't this a good deal, who's a clever boy then".

The difference is that parliamentary votes are not always an indicator of an individuals specific opinion on a matter. Boris voted for May's deal for example....

The behaviour of governments is not limited to this current one - they've all done it, said one thing and ended up politically doing another. This current one seems particularly egregious in that regard though.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The difference being those who wanted to stay - still have that conviction now. They still have that belief. And they also will say that the projections including those of the government show people will be worse off. So an MP that doesn't have a strong view either way has to decide do I vote for honouring the result in the belief I make my constituents poorer? Its somewhat less clear cut. 

But what you're not having  is someone 6 months ago say "this is a terrible thing that no Conservative government ever could or should agree to" 6 months later say "wow isn't this a good deal, who's a clever boy then".

The difference is that parliamentary votes are not always an indicator of an individuals specific opinion on a matter. Boris voted for May's deal for example....

The behaviour of governments is not limited to this current one - they've all done it, said one thing and ended up politically doing another. This current one seems particularly egregious in that regard though.

 Important bit missing. What about those who want to leave like Corbyn but are doing everything in their power to disrupt us leaving as it doesn’t suit his own political agenda? These people are the lowest of the low

[birch-chorley]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 Important bit missing. What about those who want to leave like Corbyn but are doing everything in their power to disrupt us leaving as it doesn’t suit his own political agenda? These people are the lowest of the low

Boris is the prime example of this when TM brought her deal back, did you think he was the lowest of the low? I did for the record 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 Important bit missing. What about those who want to leave like Corbyn but are doing everything in their power to disrupt us leaving as it doesn’t suit his own political agenda? These people are the lowest of the low

Corbyn is reflecting what his party's membership wants....based on a democratic vote of those members. His position is a joke - but I don't really see it as "lowest of the low". He could have resigned his leadership on principle. I wish he had. Instead he tried to carry through what his members wanted - eventually. Corbyn lost many voters from Labour including myself when he came out with his weak support for the EU during the referendum and the year immediately after.

Boris has changed his tune on the EU - being pro EU - then a soft Brexiteer - then a hard Brexiteer - then a unionist - then a Brexit dealer who just needs a deal, any deal no matter the consequences. He's done so at every turn to further his own career - and now is PM and still is just doing whatever he can to cling on. That is lowest of the low. There is nobody he won't sell out - just ask the DUP. And see his speech to them last year - playing for their support. 

 

[Escobarp]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Boris is the prime example of this when TM brought her deal back, did you think he was the lowest of the low? I did for the record 

Yes i did because I still believe he doesn’t want to leave with this deal and expects it to get beat albeit closely and then look for the GE and no deal when he wins that. 

But if the deal does get through then at least he’s managed to deliver that for me 

there are plenty of other people in the HoC that should be utterly ashamed with themselves to a much greater extent than Boris in my opinion. 

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Corbyn is reflecting what his party's membership wants....based on a democratic vote of those members. His position is a joke - but I don't really see it as "lowest of the low". He could have resigned his leadership on principle. I wish he had. Instead he tried to carry through what his members wanted - eventually. Corbyn lost many voters from Labour including myself when he came out with his weak support for the EU during the referendum and the year immediately after.

Boris has changed his tune on the EU - being pro EU - then a soft Brexiteer - then a hard Brexiteer - then a unionist - then a Brexit dealer who just needs a deal, any deal no matter the consequences. He's done so at every turn to further his own career - and now is PM and still is just doing whatever he can to cling on. That is lowest of the low. There is nobody he won't sell out - just ask the DUP. And see his speech to them last year - playing for their support. 

 

I’m intrigued. Which part of what Corbyn has done has played to the party members desires?

ive listened intently this week to a number of not only Party members but also Labour MPs past and present who sing a very different tune about mr Corbyn and what he’s been doing. 

Before he had seen the new WA that had been agreed he stated that he would vote against it. Can you explain to me how that is a) correct and proper and b) how that fits with the desire of the party members. 

i am for once genuinely interested so please