Escobarp Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, leigh white said: It's on;y Trump anyway, who the fuck his he. Let’s be honest his country benefit more if we leave with no deal im sure everyone can see that. As such why would he champion any deal with the EU? but then again I’m thick so god knows Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: Your so sad, so triumphant when you think it’s bad news for the U.K. not in the slightest, I am very proud of my country but you were so bullish that these trade deals would be so easy to agree and you are just realising that will not be the case. Welcome to the real world Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: not in the slightest, I am very proud of my country but you were so bullish that these trade deals would be so easy to agree and you are just realising that will not be the case. Welcome to the real world We will get a deal, you’ll be wrong again as per usual. Your constant negativity is utterly grinding. Quote
Moon boy Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: They've had 9 years and created this mess. It comes to something when the government of the day launched an election saying "stability with me or chaos with Ed". Then within a year the PM had launched a referendum to settle an internal Tory dispute, lost the referendum, stepped down the day after, created a huge vacuum, the vacuum filled by a new leader who said she didn't want an election, but then called for one, on the basis of "strong and stable leadership and getting Brexit done" lost seats in the election and had to run a minority government with the DUP nutters offering support - failed to get Brexit done because her own party and partners wouldn't support it, then was forced out by her own party, to be replaced by Boris - who said he'd get Brexit done, no ifs, no buts - then chucked out 20 odd of his own MPs then failed to get it done because his DUP partners wouldn't back his deal....and in all that - in all that chaos wrought by the Tory party and their internal wrangling and chaos and instability - they have the gaul to blame the opposition. What's worse is many swallow it up. In fairness its a superb piece of propaganda and lies - but still the most ridiculous situation we're in that a single person, any single person can't look at this debacle and say "the Tory party have brought us here for their own reasons". Party before country every step of the way. The point in history where we failed was 2015. It was a disaster all round that EM didn't win that election. Cos he couldn't eat a sandwich. Sometimes you have to wonder whether someone is playing a hugely elaborate joke on us all. Because Ed Miliband couldn’t eat a bacon sandwich we’ve ended up in this position, does anyone else on here agree with this synopsis, you truly are a fantasist Quote
Sweep Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: We will get a deal, you’ll be wrong again as per usual. I'm not sure there's any doubt that we'll get a deal, how good it'll be we don't know, but we'll get something. It's not in anybodies interest for it to end up "no deal" Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: We will get a deal, you’ll be wrong again as per usual. Your constant negativity is utterly grinding. It's called reality mate that you interpret as negativity. So assuming we get the deal sanctioned in Parliament how do we get this huge trade deal with the US? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said: It's called reality mate that you interpret as negativity. So assuming we get the deal sanctioned in Parliament how do we get this huge trade deal with the US? Utterly tedious, utterly grinding. I tend to stay away from negative folk, time for me to do the same on here. Edited October 31, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Let’s be honest his country benefit more if we leave with no deal im sure everyone can see that. As such why would he champion any deal with the EU? but then again I’m thick so god knows Thick and old and racist. You'll need the NHS sooner or later, probably sooner. Pity we'll have sold it off to Trump himself. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, boltondiver said: If people already get what they deserve, then what is the point in saying so? None But we both know they don’t. Not really. Also, he’s kicking off an election campaign. Best get used to it mate, they’ll be a lot more like that coming your way. Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, mickbrown said: But we both know they don’t. Not really. Also, he’s kicking off an election campaign. Best get used to it mate, they’ll be a lot more like that coming your way. I know and I'll be trying to keep out of it If I can. Oh, and, in what way don't people get what they deserve? Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I know and I'll be trying to keep out of it If I can. Oh, and, in what way don't people get what they deserve? Wouldn’t you like nurses to be better paid for instance? Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, mickbrown said: Wouldn’t you like nurses to be better paid for instance? Well, they knew what they were getting into when they went into Nursing, I reckon. And, if they are discontent with their lot, they can do something else. As many do. My point isn't so much around £, more a philosophical view. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, boltondiver said: Well, they knew what they were getting into when they went into Nursing, I reckon. And, if they are discontent with their lot, they can do something else. As many do. My point isn't so much around £, more a philosophical view. So is mine. I’m looking at value to society. But you’re probably one of Thatcher’s children and believe that society is dead. Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: So is mine. I’m looking at value to society. But you’re probably one of Thatcher’s children and believe that society is dead. Well, actually, I think salaries should be set in line with supply and demand. Value to society? I don’t think, by and large, that people go into most employments looking at their value to society, so why remunerate them in line with that? I’m really happy to be wrong, of course. My sister was a nurse, then left to do something else. Did she make those decisions based on her value to society? I’ll ask her. Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: Well, actually, I think salaries should be set in line with supply and demand. Value to society? I don’t think, by and large, that people go into most employments looking at their value to society, so why remunerate them in line with that? I’m really happy to be wrong, of course. My sister was a nurse, then left to do something else. Did she make those decisions based on her value to society? I’ll ask her. Oh and I guess the “Thatchers children” was intended as a slur. Quote
kent_white Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Well, actually, I think salaries should be set in line with supply and demand. Value to society? I don’t think, by and large, that people go into most employments looking at their value to society, so why remunerate them in line with that? Awesome - salaries in line with supply and demand? We're about 100,000 nurses short so I I'll let everyone know we're in for a fat Christmas bonus! To be fair - I think if you ask the vast majority of nurses why they chose nursing - they'll tell you it's because they want to make a difference to people's lives. I know I did. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Oh and I guess the “Thatchers children” was intended as a slur. Not at all. Don’t be such a mard arse😊 Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Well, actually, I think salaries should be set in line with supply and demand. Value to society? I don’t think, by and large, that people go into most employments looking at their value to society, so why remunerate them in line with that? I’m really happy to be wrong, of course. My sister was a nurse, then left to do something else. Did she make those decisions based on her value to society? I’ll ask her. And as Kent pointed out, some jobs won’t follow your nice linear supply and demand curve. Maybe these types of folks are the ones Corbyn is talking to? Quote
Sweep Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, boltondiver said: You'll need the NHS sooner or later, probably sooner. Pity we'll have sold it off to Trump himself. They've been papping on about this on the radio all day - so what if they do sell it off, I'm all for it, if it helps reduce my tax/NI bill. SUrely private medical insurance is the way forward Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: Awesome - salaries in line with supply and demand? We're about 100,000 nurses short so I I'll let everyone know we're in for a fat Christmas bonus! To be fair - I think if you ask the vast majority of nurses why they chose nursing - they'll tell you it's because they want to make a difference to people's lives. I know I did. Well then I hope we pay the rate required to bolster numbers and I’m really pleased with the integrity and authenticity of nurses. Quote
Guest Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: They've been papping on about this on the radio all day - so what if they do sell it off, I'm all for it, if it helps reduce my tax/NI bill. SUrely private medical insurance is the way forward Very simply; the promise is that it is free at the point of treatment. in my view, as long as it is sustainable in the long term, I don’t really mind who provides it. I guess Kent will point out that it isn’t an efficient service. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sweep said: They've been papping on about this on the radio all day - so what if they do sell it off, I'm all for it, if it helps reduce my tax/NI bill. SUrely private medical insurance is the way forward I think it is inevitable that to access the best treatment you’ll need to have some private medical insurance. Quote
leigh white Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sweep said: They've been papping on about this on the radio all day - so what if they do sell it off, I'm all for it, if it helps reduce my tax/NI bill. SUrely private medical insurance is the way forward Don't get proper ill, when you have to fork out for all kinds of treatments in the future. Quote
Escobarp Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, leigh white said: Don't get proper ill, when you have to fork out for all kinds of treatments in the future. It’s what private Heath insurance is for. Just out of an appointment now would’ve been £400 down if not On top of the 1500 spent to date a Further £2000 in a couple of weeks and maybe 20k for an op 👍🏼 Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It’s what private Heath insurance is for. Just out of an appointment now would’ve been £400 down if not On top of the 1500 spent to date a Further £2000 in a couple of weeks and maybe 20k for an op 👍🏼 Our tax and NI are our health insurance. We don’t need to introduce a layer of profit into the mix Quote
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