Mounts Kipper Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Sweep said: we don't have a clue do we? I do. None, ST changes his opinion as it suits, then accuses me of telling lies. Quote
Sweep Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I do. None, ST changes his opinion as it suits, then accuses me of telling lies. I'm glad that you know 100% - you would think an FTA would be agreed, as it's common sense, but who really knows. Farage, the cunt, was bleating on the other day saying that he suspects that in order for us to get a full FTA, then we'll have to allow freedom of movement again, and he reckons that Johnson might well be forced into it (now, that would make me laugh a lot if that happened) Quote
Escobarp Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: I do. None, ST changes his opinion as it suits, then accuses me of telling lies. Naive to think we won’t pay any tariffs mounts I’m afraid. Hope you’re right but cannot see it. EU only exists because of its member states. If we can get free access without the ties then why would they stay in? Obviously they are more tied in because of the currency situation but not reversible. But we won’t get tariff free access across all goods and services not a chance. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Lets say "we get Brexit done!" and leave. Any future FTA will either involve money or freedom of movement or both, ala Norway. A worse deal than we have now. Well done. And I will tell you what, we will not broker any FTA that betters the one the EU have already or will despite our new found freedom. Total folly on an economic argument. I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Naive to think we won’t pay any tariffs mounts I’m afraid. Hope you’re right but cannot see it. EU only exists because of its member states. If we can get free access without the ties then why would they stay in? Obviously they are more tied in because of the currency situation but not reversible. But we won’t get tariff free access across all goods and services not a chance. Possibly true. Perhaps it's what's needed though for the EU to reform and become more palatable. It would potentially harm plenty of EU exporters though, so the EU may come under some internal pressure to agree to one. How does the Japanese one work- anybody know? Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 10 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: I broadly agree but the issue is that people also need to vote for something they believe in, rather than just voting to minimise something they don't. The fact that Labour has spectacularly failed to offer something for people to believe in - and that you say, were not voting for them until you looked at the tactical options screams out how they've failed. I don't want Johnson or Corbyn in number 10 and that's the issue - if I vote for anyone else its a wasted vote. But there has never been a stronger argument for proportional representation than now. And both sides can see this - people who want to vote Lib Dem could, equally people who want to vote Brexit party but are worried if they do they might see the Tories lose a seat could without any fear. People talk about a GE and direct representation - we've never ever seen so spectacularly as now why that fails. That was my point to NIC the other night. He’s changed coats quick. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Lets say "we get Brexit done!" and leave. Any future FTA will either involve money or freedom of movement or both, ala Norway. A worse deal than we have now. Well done. And I will tell you what, we will not broker any FTA that betters the one the EU have already or will despite our new found freedom. Total folly on an economic argument. I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform. A bit presumptuous. The advantage of our own agreement with another nation, is that we can negotiate it more in accordance with our specific requirements, based more on what we produce and need. Additionally, if it makes us as a nation have to look to produce more of our own 'stuff', then that should be beneficial from an environmental point of view. Quote
Escobarp Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Possibly true. Perhaps it's what's needed though for the EU to reform and become more palatable. It would potentially harm plenty of EU exporters though, so the EU may come under some internal pressure to agree to one. How does the Japanese one work- anybody know? Company I work for is an Eu manufacturer and exports to the UK. No signs from what they are saying of a tariff free deal and we’ve had it hard wired into our quotation documents and shortened the validity of them as well as the risk is just too big to take as we don’t know what it’s going to be like but we’ve been told to expect tariffs Very large corporate entity as well with good ties to the German government so I like to think they are relatively informed. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: tariff free access to the SM for starters, don't you see the irony of your post? lots more benefits but I have a 4 hour journey now so this will have to wait How timely and convenient. Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Lets say "we get Brexit done!" and leave. Any future FTA will either involve money or freedom of movement or both, ala Norway. A worse deal than we have now. Well done. And I will tell you what, we will not broker any FTA that betters the one the EU have already or will despite our new found freedom. Total folly on an economic argument. I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform. Hold your horses Tonto......”I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform” Who exactly is that aimed at ? I take it you’re a higher authority than the EU itself ? Your memory must be shocking as the likes of Juncker, Barnier, Guy Verhostadt, Merkel etc have all said it needs to reform......shall I carry on ? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Company I work for is an Eu manufacturer and exports to the UK. No signs from what they are saying of a tariff free deal and we’ve had it hard wired into our quotation documents and shortened the validity of them as well as the risk is just too big to take as we don’t know what it’s going to be like but we’ve been told to expect tariffs Very large corporate entity as well with good ties to the German government so I like to think they are relatively informed. I agree it would be very difficult and it makes sense to expect something. Should parties show common sense though, you'd expect these would be small. I raised the question before about the Japanese agreement: obviously they're not and never will be an EU member, but they've nevertheless gone along that route for a reason. Quote
Winchester White Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Hold your horses Tonto......”I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform” Who exactly is that aimed at ? I take it you’re a higher authority than the EU itself ? Your memory must be shocking as the likes of Juncker, Barnier, Guy Verhostadt, Merkel etc have all said it needs to reform......shall I carry on ? Have they? Apart from massive EU fanboy Verhofstadt who wants ever closer union of course? Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Have they? Apart from massive EU fanboy Verhofstadt who wants ever closer union of course? Google it....I’ve posted many links on here about that FACT. THANKS IN ADVANCE. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: I do. None, ST changes his opinion as it suits, then accuses me of telling lies. You are at it again 😂 When have I changed my opinion? Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: What tariffs are we paying once we leave? We haven't even agreed the WA yet! How the hell can we know what tariffs we'll pay until we know if we are leaving with or without a deal? Unbelievable As for your other Q.. I couldn't be bothered picking loads of points out so take your pick from these https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/ Quote
miamiwhite Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: You are at it again 😂 When have I changed my opinion? Pete, please refresh my memory pal.....you said remain would win and Trump wouldn’t be elected didn’t you ? You're not exactly The Voice of Reason are you ? As you were chum. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, miamiwhite said: Pete, please refresh my memory pal.....you said remain would win and Trump wouldn’t be elected didn’t you ? You're not exactly The Voice of Reason are you ? As you were chum. I don't recollect saying Trump wouldn't win the 2016 election. I have said Trump won't win the 2020 election and I was hardly on my own with the remain position as were Farage and Johnson... As you were Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: We haven't even agreed the WA yet! How the hell can we know what tariffs we'll pay until we know if we are leaving with or without a deal? Unbelievable As for your other Q.. I couldn't be bothered picking loads of points out so take your pick from these https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/ You'd better vote for Boris then. Guarantee to go with the WA as agreed. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: You'd better vote for Boris then. Guarantee to go with the WA as agreed. I can't trust him to make a genuine effort to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU if he secures a majority. He may surprise me but there are so many examples of his underhand tactics that I am convinced he will pay lip service to the transition period and take us out without a deal. If that transpires he and the Tories will never be forgiven. Quote
Casino Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: Lets say "we get Brexit done!" and leave. Any future FTA will either involve money or freedom of movement or both, ala Norway. A worse deal than we have now. Well done. And I will tell you what, we will not broker any FTA that betters the one the EU have already or will despite our new found freedom. Total folly on an economic argument. I do however have sympathy for those who see the EU as largely undemocratic and need of reform. Streets in front of owt else on this thread Absolutely nailed on all fronts Quote
Guest Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: A bit presumptuous. The advantage of our own agreement with another nation, is that we can negotiate it more in accordance with our specific requirements, based more on what we produce and need. Additionally, if it makes us as a nation have to look to produce more of our own 'stuff', then that should be beneficial from an environmental point of view. Can you provide a tangible example of how we will get a better trade deal with the EU than that which we currently enjoy? Given any deal will ultimately need to benefit both sides. Quote
Casino Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 The argument may be we can get a better deal with ulan bator than the eu can get Im a bit shania twain over that, if im honest Quote
Ani Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Casino said: The argument may be we can get a better deal with ulan bator than the eu can get Im a bit shania twain over that, if im honest Ulan Bator is a city not a country. Mongolia. Bob Geldof went there on his honeymoon. Was also the name of a race horse. Which begs the question ..why name your city after a racehorse. Quote
Casino Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Oh aye Still, brexiteers would claim a result if we got a trade deal with the jewish quarter of ouagadougou, let alone the might of ulan bator Quote
bolty58 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Casino said: Oh aye Still, brexiteers would claim a result if we got a trade deal with the jewish quarter of ouagadougou, let alone the might of ulan bator I don't care what the others say. I think you're a master Bator. Quote
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