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[Sweep]

49 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

So the customer decides fuck that I’m not buying from eu supplier I’ll look for a similar product from U.K. supplier, U.K. suppliers are not being charged the 1.5% therefore U.K. supplier gains the extra business, that’s a benefit to U.K. 

Presumably only if the UK supplier isn't anymore than 1.5% more expensive, if they are, you may as well still buy from the EU based supplier that you selected in the first place.

At the end of the day, it's not going to make masses of difference to people is it, it's not great paying an extra little bit, but it's not going to stop a great deal of transactions happening I wouldn't have thought

I'm not sure why Mounts thinks it's a great thing and it's going to benefit UK manufacturing, which is what I think he's getting at - it'll change very little, if anything I reckon

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, dave2980 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541

This article explains things. You have to pay VAT on imported goods

That article also says UK goods may be more expensive if bought in the EU, surely that is wrong ? Mounts will explain.

Remember someone on this thread was arguing tariffs were a good idea as would generate more income for UK Govt ? 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Presumably only if the UK supplier isn't anymore than 1.5% more expensive, if they are, you may as well still buy from the EU based supplier that you selected in the first place.

At the end of the day, it's not going to make masses of difference to people is it, it's not great paying an extra little bit, but it's not going to stop a great deal of transactions happening I wouldn't have thought

I'm not sure why Mounts thinks it's a great thing and it's going to benefit UK manufacturing, which is what I think he's getting at - it'll change very little, if anything I reckon

The Original post from farreli he was trying to make an argument that because we’d left the EU MasterCard we’re putting up fees to 1.5% from 0.03% while that matters little in the great scheme of thinks he as always was looking for a Brexit negative, in reality prices haven’t gone up for U.K. suppliers so in effect it was a nett positive to redirect your purchasing from eu supplier to U.K. supplier and when you factor in the extra charges that folk are having to pay for eu goods then it makes even more sense to try to direct your purchases towards U.K. companies. 

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

That article also says UK goods may be more expensive if bought in the EU, surely that is wrong ? Mounts will explain.

Remember someone on this thread was arguing tariffs were a good idea as would generate more income for UK Govt ? 

Don’t you think it would be a good idea for U.K. and eu to sort this out... I do. 

[Spider]

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Edited January 26, 2021 by Spider

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The Original post from farreli he was trying to make an argument that because we’d left the EU MasterCard we’re putting up fees to 1.5% from 0.03% while that matters little in the great scheme of thinks he as always was looking for a Brexit negative, in reality prices haven’t gone up for U.K. suppliers so in effect it was a nett positive to redirect your purchasing from eu supplier to U.K. supplier and when you factor in the extra charges that folk are having to pay for eu goods then it makes even more sense to try to direct your purchases towards U.K. companies. 

He's just looking for any excuse to post anything that isn't positive - the truth is, there are positives and negatives, we all know that. We just have to hope that, overall, the positives outweigh the negatives, and only time will tell there

The MasterCard fees going up from 0.3% (not 0.03%) to 1.5% is really not going to affect anything in the grand scheme of things I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Ani]

31 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Don’t you think it would be a good idea for U.K. and eu to sort this out... I do. 

They had sorted it, one of the benefits of being such a large trading body was good deal from a 'supplier'. We walked away. If we want to be independent why should we get better terms to deal within EU than within USA ? 
 

Do I think it will end up being 1.5% ? Probably not, unless Visa do the same, but you were claiming it as good news which it clearly is not  

[Ani]

25 minutes ago, Sweep said:

He's just looking for any excuse to post anything that isn't positive - the truth is, there are positives and negatives, we all know that. We just have to hope that, overall, the positives outweigh the negatives, and only time will tell there

The MasterCard fees going up from 0.3% (not 0.03%) to 1.5% is really not going to affect anything in the grand scheme of things I wouldn't have thought.

 

1.2% on top on £bns of business does make a difference though. Not sure if the BBC article is correct but says all Amazon transactions are processed in Europe. Sure they will find a way round it but for small traders maybe not.

As you say will be positives and negatives and horror stories each way, but if Leavers claim Aldi and TVR as vindication of the decision to Leave stories like this have to be held up to the same light . 

[Farrelli]

21 minutes ago, Ani said:

1.2% on top on £bns of business does make a difference though. Not sure if the BBC article is correct but says all Amazon transactions are processed in Europe. Sure they will find a way round it but for small traders maybe not.

As you say will be positives and negatives and horror stories each way, but if Leavers claim Aldi and TVR as vindication of the decision to Leave stories like this have to be held up to the same light . 

Well said👍

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

He's just looking for any excuse to post anything that isn't positive - the truth is, there are positives and negatives, we all know that. We just have to hope that, overall, the positives outweigh the negatives, and only time will tell there

The MasterCard fees going up from 0.3% (not 0.03%) to 1.5% is really not going to affect anything in the grand scheme of things I wouldn't have thought.

 

I’m really not, there are just far more negatives than positives. Aldi investing in their UK infrastructure is great news but they were doing it anyway. Nissan still making cars is great news but one major reason they moved to Sunderland was as a gateway to the EU in the first place. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Farrelli

[miamiwhite]

23 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I’m really not, there are just far more negatives than positives. Aldi investing in their UK infrastructure is great news but they were doing it anyway. Nissan still making cars is great news but one major reason they moved to Sunderland was as a gateway to the EU in the first place. 

Priceless....an EXTRA £3.5billion a year purely to our producers, does extra indicate it is in addition to you or is it the Status Quo in your eyes ?

The major point re Nissan, is most remain voters were adamant they would leave the UK, I'm certain there were numerous posts on here by folk claiming that.  

This clip from below shows the EU for what it really is, and the guy is a well known remain voter 👇

 

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, dave2980 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541

This article explains things. You have to pay VAT on imported goods

So did that used to be added automatically and I just never realised? Or is another 20% being whacked on that never used to be there? 

[Mounts Kipper]

 

something tangible not a 1.5% credit card charge, actually saving lives being out of EU. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, kent_white said:

So did that used to be added automatically and I just never realised? Or is another 20% being whacked on that never used to be there? 

VAT always been there hasn't it.

Perhaps it was labelled differently previously. 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

VAT always been there hasn't it.

Perhaps it was labelled differently previously. 

That's what I was wondering. 

Otherwise - they kept that bit bloody quiet! 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

The whole Oxford AZ set up was established early on as detailed above. Even the mhra were involved early.

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

something tangible not a 1.5% credit card charge, actually saving lives being out of EU. 

Do not think anyone has defended the EU over vaccines. You said the charge was a benefit. 
 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That's what I was wondering. 

Otherwise - they kept that bit bloody quiet! 😁

What were the figures again?

Is the tax one fifth of the sum of the cost and tax?

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Do not think anyone has defended the EU over vaccines. You said the charge was a benefit. 
 

Its potentially more a benefit for us than a negative as Farrell tried to point out, unless you can point out why it’s a benefit or positive to remain in the eu. I’m all ears.  

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

What were the figures again?

Is the tax one fifth of the sum of the cost and tax?

Paid £200

Invoice said 

Government charges £43.84

Brokerage charges £11.50

Freight charges £0

VAT £0

Note: The total value used for the calculation of all duty-based fees is £0.00

 

Can't make head not tail out of it!

[kent_white]

Sounds like being more agile was useful when it came to securing vaccines. Big early win.

But if the EU now puts the brakes on exportation of the vaccines we'll end up losing 2-1

[Ani]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Its potentially more a benefit for us than a negative as Farrell tried to point out, unless you can point out why it’s a benefit or positive to remain in the eu. I’m all ears.  

Under EU agreement a charge was capped at 0.3%.

It is now potentially being increased to 1.5%. That cost will ultimately be borne by people buying in the UK. So it is a negative caused by leaving. As per my earlier post there will be some down sides of leaving and some upsides. 
 

[Sweep]

Just now, Ani said:

Under EU agreement a charge was capped at 0.3%.

It is now potentially being increased to 1.5%. That cost will ultimately be borne by people buying in the UK. So it is a negative caused by leaving. As per my earlier post there will be some down sides of leaving and some upsides. 
 

I agree with you, but if that's as bad as the negatives get, then I'd be more than happy, as I'm sure would everybody

I'm not sure Mounts will ever admit to there being any negatives at all, ever.

[Ani]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Sounds like being more agile was useful when it came to securing vaccines. Big early win.

But if the EU now puts the brakes on exportation of the vaccines we'll end up losing 2-1

The latest phrase is 'vaccine nationalism' which sums up how shit this all sounds. If you want to take the EU view on this, they have ordered a supply of vaccine and like us paid up front for it. If that supply is not delivered they are saying they want to monitor vaccine leaving the EU. 

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I agree with you, but if that's as bad as the negatives get, then I'd be more than happy, as I'm sure would everybody

I'm not sure Mounts will ever admit to there being any negatives at all, ever.

Yeah and as I said earlier doubt it will end up being 1.5%.