Politics

[dave2980]

21 minutes ago, kent_white said:

So did that used to be added automatically and I just never realised? Or is another 20% being whacked on that never used to be there? 

 

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

VAT always been there hasn't it.

Perhaps it was labelled differently previously. 

I'm not sure for Joe Bloggs consumers but for VAT registered businesses you didn't need to pay VAT (or the local equivalent) on purchases made in the EU. 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Yeah and as I said earlier doubt it will end up being 1.5%. 

It won't be 1.5%, the EU will not block any vaccines, and TVR will never build any of those electric cars they're papping on about.

All three bits of those news won't come to fruition, but they'll give the Gammons on Twitter something to complain about for a few days

[Mounts Kipper]

17 minutes ago, Ani said:

Under EU agreement a charge was capped at 0.3%.

It is now potentially being increased to 1.5%. That cost will ultimately be borne by people buying in the UK. So it is a negative caused by leaving. As per my earlier post there will be some down sides of leaving and some upsides. 
 

Those same people could potentially buy U.K. product (where there’s no increase card costs) rather than EU, so potentially an upside, either way it’s most likely negligible either way, certainly not a remain argument to remain as farreli attempted to claim. Hope that clears that up. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I agree with you, but if that's as bad as the negatives get, then I'd be more than happy, as I'm sure would everybody

I'm not sure Mounts will ever admit to there being any negatives at all, ever.

Have you missed my posts where I’ve said they’ll be winners & losers? you seem very selective regarding my posts, no surprise though as you were a remainer. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, dave2980 said:

 

I'm not sure for Joe Bloggs consumers but for VAT registered businesses you didn't need to pay VAT (or the local equivalent) on purchases made in the EU. 

As consumers we pay vat on all goods that it applies to.

Kent's figures though- fucked if I know.

Perhaps they're exploiting the situation and trying to grab some extra cash?

I'd be looking into the small print or asking for an explanation. 

Maybe speaking to trading standards. 

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Have you missed my posts where I’ve said they’ll be winners & losers? you seem very selective regarding my posts, no surprise though as you were a remainer. 

You dismiss the losers as treasonous screechers who should know their place and get on with it.

Just maybe they have a right to feel aggrieved at their circumstances changing from good to bad for no real benefit to them.

Im being reasonable here. Aldi - good, vaccines -good (unless we shoot ourselves in the foot with Pfizer). 
 

You simply refuse to acknowledge that anything bad is happening and I honestly find that weird.

Edited January 26, 2021 by Spider

[miamiwhite]

20 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Sounds like being more agile was useful when it came to securing vaccines. Big early win.

But if the EU now puts the brakes on exportation of the vaccines we'll end up losing 2-1

Interesting thread on this, doesn't look good for them if they try to pull that stunt.

They sound like the bully they are asking to see the order list etc.

 

 

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Those same people could potentially buy U.K. product (where there’s no increase card costs) rather than EU, so potentially an upside, either way it’s most likely negligible either way, certainly not a remain argument to remain as farreli attempted to claim. Hope that clears that up. 

You keep saying that and people keep saying how about booking a hotel in Spain. It is now negligible, earlier you were rebuilding the UK manufacturing sector on the back of it  

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Those same people could potentially buy U.K. product (where there’s no increase card costs) rather than EU, so potentially an upside, either way it’s most likely negligible either way, certainly not a remain argument to remain as farreli attempted to claim. Hope that clears that up. 

The increased fees apply regardless of where you use the card, you silly sausage.

[Guest]

Brexit has been such a calamity that they are catastrophising about credit card fees

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The increased fees apply regardless of where you use the card, you silly sausage.

Not sure they apply to uk/uk transactions  

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Ani said:

You keep saying that and people keep saying how about booking a hotel in Spain. It is now negligible, earlier you were rebuilding the UK manufacturing sector on the back of it  

No I was just pointing out that farreli claiming it was a brexit loss was incorrect as there was also a potential upside, don’t you agree? 
 

And if I book a hotel I can always use a U.K. travel or hotel company. 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Brexit has been such a calamity that they are catastrophising about credit card fees

They're wrong to do so, as the increase of the fees is going to be a boost to UK Manufacturing apparently 😉

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No I was just pointing out that farreli claiming it was a brexit loss was incorrect as there was also a potential upside, don’t you agree? 
 

And if I book a hotel I can always use a U.K. travel or hotel company. 

@Traf 

I’ll take his view on this. Not yours.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

Not sure they apply to uk/uk transactions  

They don’t. Cheese wrong again... never. 😂

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/25/mastercard-to-raise-fees-to-eu-firms-by-500-percent-for-online-sales-to-uk-shoppers

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

@Traf 

I’ll take his view on this. Not yours.

Even better book with Traf... that’s if his company U.K. based. 

[Spider]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Even better book with Traf... that’s if his company U.K. based. 

And if it isn’t?

[Traf]

It doesn't matter that my business is based in the Cayman Islands, does it?

It's whatever price I charge the client that matters.

[Spider]

Just now, Traf said:

It doesn't matter that my business is based in the Cayman Islands, does it?

It's whatever price I charge the client that matters.

No no no no no.

You’re fired. Traitor xxx

[Traf]

Just now, Spider said:

No no no no no.

You’re fired. Traitor xxx

Sorry, I meant to say It doesn't matter IF my business is based in the Cayman Islands, does it?

It's actually based in Lancashire, the next county along from yours

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No I was just pointing out that farreli claiming it was a brexit loss was incorrect as there was also a potential upside, don’t you agree? 
 

And if I book a hotel I can always use a U.K. travel or hotel company. 

I do not agree that the outcome of this will be people flocking to use UK companies instead so i do not agree. 

Second point, not if you book direct. 
 

Everyone knows there are upsides and downsides to Brexit, no idea why you are trying to deny this is a downside. 

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They don’t. Cheese wrong again... never. 😂

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/25/mastercard-to-raise-fees-to-eu-firms-by-500-percent-for-online-sales-to-uk-shoppers

I hold my hands up, stand corrected, and doff my cap in your direction. I am a silly sausage.

[Spider]

The irony is that mounts keeps telling me that UK manufacturing are at the epicentre of the Brexit bonuses.

I keep explaining that - as a British manufacturer - it’s causing nowt but aggro so far, and we were losing customers before it kicked in.

He then tells me I’m wrong. Or unlucky. Or shit. Depending on the weather.

I would love this not to be the case. Then I would shut the fuck up and revel in my victory.

Right now it feels a bit of an own goal. Needs to sort itself rapid before things become irretrievable.

Edited January 26, 2021 by Spider

[Farrelli]

19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Brexit has been such a calamity that they are catastrophising about credit card fees

Catastrophising ? I don't even know if that's a word but we are debating the negative effects of brexit, it was always going to happen.  The Mastercard and VAT issue is just todays thing really. I think the company's who are being told to set up a hub in the EU instead of creating jobs in the UK is far worse.  Imagine voting to leave to remove the shackles of this monstrous trading bloc and then one month in being told actually you would be better with a new site in France, forget those 20 jobs you were going to create in the UK. Now that is quite some uturn 😂  

[Mounts Kipper]

17 minutes ago, Ani said:

I do not agree that the outcome of this will be people flocking to use UK companies instead so i do not agree. 

Second point, not if you book direct. 
 

Everyone knows there are upsides and downsides to Brexit, no idea why you are trying to deny this is a downside. 

You can argue all you like that you don’t agree, the fact is if something can be bought cheaper the buyer is more likely to buy it from the cheaper supplier and that the 1.5% is an added cost to the eu supplier it follows that if your in the U.K. it’s likely to be cheaper buying from a U.K. supplier.  I’ll rest my case. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Mounts Kipper