Politics

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Fibber, I know you're busy selling your Spanish property and looking for a cottage in Devon....

Patriot.

Does this mean we all have to pay import taxes for goods from the EU now? 

I thought the point was that we stayed as we were as consumers? Or have I missed something.

I'm asking you as Mounts has disappeared. It's not a loaded question either I've genuinely no idea - but thought you might know as you're importing and exporting.

[Farrelli]

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The supplier pays the fee not you but no doubt they will charge you the 1.5% transaction fee, answer is pay on debit card, or Visa card who don’t have same fee. It’s not difficult to think of a way round it unless your farreli that is, you need to stop looking for brexit negatives, open your mind to the possibility there’s also positives. 

I think closing your mind is more appropriate.  Paying on debit card does not offer the same protection as credit card if cancelling or asking for a refund.  Get a Visa is what you are saying, welcome to the new limited world of brexit britain.

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Does this mean we all have to pay import taxes for goods from the EU now? 

I thought the point was that we stayed as we were as consumers? Or have I missed something.

I'm asking you as Mounts has disappeared. It's not a loaded question either I've genuinely no idea - but thought you might know as you're importing and exporting.

Don’t ask me I’m just being a negative nelly.

Mounts tends to disappear when his argument crumbles.

He wants everyone to buy British - a commendable viewpoint I would add - but when you need something not manufactured here that argument, however well meaning and arrogant, just carries no practical weight.

I wish we mined copper in Britain but it isn’t here. Not sure how Buying British gets round this rather chunky issue.

Overall, it would be lovely to get everything made here. But reasonable people know that’s not possible.

A reasonable man would say it’s great to have a holiday home in Spain. But when you’re told you should be buying British it sort of follows that you should back up the position by following your own advice.

Just saying.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s good for U.K. businesses as there is no increase in charge for U.K. businesses the charge only applies to EU businesses when a U.K. cardholder buys from EU business. So our business not effected. Think that’s another positive of leaving the EU along with getting vaccinated in U.K. quicker than our European friends.

So if I want to book a hotel direct for my holiday in say Lanzarote or hire a car whilst over there I should use a UK supplier instead ????

Seriously to try and twist this into a Brexit benefit is nonsense. The impact of it may not be massive, but there is a clear impact of something costing more than it did before. Personally I do not use a Credit Card but for the millions that do it has implications  

[Ani]

18 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Does this mean we all have to pay import taxes for goods from the EU now? 

I thought the point was that we stayed as we were as consumers? Or have I missed something.

I'm asking you as Mounts has disappeared. It's not a loaded question either I've genuinely no idea - but thought you might know as you're importing and exporting.

I think some companies are charging fees to cover the extra admin required to send here. 

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Perhaps a nice opportunity for a U.K. manufacturer, one of the big wins in leaving the EU should be to increase our manufacturing capability in order to rebalance our economy, this will happen at pace now we’ve left. 

where we not allowed to have manufacturing in the UK before Brexit?

Anyway, I hope we do increase our manufacturing capability, but we won't, as we still won't be competitive enough compared to most of the rest of the world

Edited January 26, 2021 by Sweep

[Traf]

56 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You’ll be seeing less EU made cars, less European imports and more imports from around the globe, more U.K. manufacturing and a better balanced economy. And that’s why we voted to leave. 

Is it?

Is that really why we voted to leave?

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

Is it?

Is that really why we voted to leave?

You know the rules someone who voted to Leave knows why everybody voted to Leave. Anyone who voted Remain does not why anybody voted to Leave. 
And immigration was never an issue. 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

You know the rules someone who voted to Leave knows why everybody voted to Leave. Anyone who voted Remain does not why anybody voted to Leave. 
And immigration was never an issue. 

Very true, I just forgot for a moment.

It was also nothing to do with bullshit on a bus either.

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

You know the rules someone who voted to Leave knows why everybody voted to Leave. Anyone who voted Remain does not why anybody voted to Leave. 
And immigration was never an issue. 

Speaking of which

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/19034643.7-000-eu-nationals-apply-stay-bury-eu-settlement-scheme/

[Mounts Kipper]

29 minutes ago, Traf said:

Is it?

Is that really why we voted to leave?

Sorry I forgot it was to keep the blackies out. 🙄

[Tonge moor green jacket]

43 minutes ago, Sweep said:

were we not allowed to have manufacturing in the UK before Brexit?

Anyway, I hope we do increase our manufacturing capability, but we won't, as we still won't be competitive enough compared to most of the rest of the world

If your last sentence was wholly true, it would apply to the eu then too?

However even the more affluent, bigger countries in the EU have larger amounts of manufacturing than we do.

Which you know.

One of the measures of a 'first world economy' is the proportion of the service sector. 

If that was the only driver, then we'd have the best one in Europe (apart from Monaco etc).

It's also been a factor in our economic drop during the pandemic.

We are one of the world's leading space technology countries: we are able to compete in high end industries, and with green technologies being pushed, there is the potential for a bit of a shift in our industrial mix.

Just got to make the most of it.

 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If your last sentence was wholly true, it would apply to the eu then too?

However even the more affluent, bigger countries in the EU have larger amounts of manufacturing than we do.

 

 

It is of course equally true of the EU - our manufacturing base won't increase no matter if we're in or out of the EU.

Whilst we lead the way in some industries, as you mention, they're not going to create millions of jobs in manufacturing. Mounts seems to think we'll end up with places making clothes and other commodities, that ship sailed many decades ago not just for the UK, but for the other powerhouse economies in Europe

 

I know Germany has a larger manufacturing base than the UK does, and possibly the French, but other than that, do any of the others?

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Sorry I forgot it was to keep the blackies out. 🙄

darkies, not blackies - stop being to racist

[ZiggyStardust]

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The supplier pays the fee not you but no doubt they will charge you the 1.5% transaction fee, answer is pay on debit card, or Visa card who don’t have same fee. It’s not difficult to think of a way round it unless your farreli that is, you need to stop looking for brexit negatives, open your mind to the possibility there’s also positives. 

Real World:

Mastercard change supplier extra 1.5%.

Supplier doesn't pass on charge initaially.

Supplier loses revenue.

Eventually supplier charges customer extra 1.5% as standard.

Customer buys on Visa, pays 1.5% extra. 

And thats a benefit ?

[Sweep]

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The supplier pays the fee not you but no doubt they will charge you the 1.5% transaction fee, answer is pay on debit card, or Visa card who don’t have same fee. It’s not difficult to think of a way round it unless your farreli that is, you need to stop looking for brexit negatives, open your mind to the possibility there’s also positives. 

Surely if you're making any sort of half reasonable purchase you would always use a credit card wouldn't you, you'd have to be bonkers to use a debit card

[kent_white]

4 hours ago, Ani said:

I think some companies are charging fees to cover the extra admin required to send here. 

It says 'Government Taxes'

Which makes it sound like it's imposed......

[Ani]

21 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Surely if you're making any sort of half reasonable purchase you would always use a credit card wouldn't you, you'd have to be bonkers to use a debit card

Visa Debit gives most of the cover although not exactly the same  

Edited January 26, 2021 by Ani

[Ani]

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It says 'Government Taxes'

Which makes it sound like it's imposed......

Hmmm, thought it sounded like 'security tax' airlines started to charge,

[Mounts Kipper]

54 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Real World:

Mastercard change supplier extra 1.5%.

Supplier doesn't pass on charge initaially.

Supplier loses revenue.

Eventually supplier charges customer extra 1.5% as standard.

Customer buys on Visa, pays 1.5% extra. 

And thats a benefit ?

So the customer decides fuck that I’m not buying from eu supplier I’ll look for a similar product from U.K. supplier, U.K. suppliers are not being charged the 1.5% therefore U.K. supplier gains the extra business, that’s a benefit to U.K. 

[Ani]

37 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

So the customer decides fuck that I’m not buying from eu supplier I’ll look for a similar product from U.K. supplier, U.K. suppliers are not being charged the 1.5% therefore U.K. supplier gains the extra business, that’s a benefit to U.K. 

what if you are booking a hotel in Spain ? 

[Sweep]

58 minutes ago, Ani said:

Visa Debit gives most of the cover although not exactly the same  

Didn''t know that. I've always used my CC and then just paid it straight off

[Spider]

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

what if you are booking a hotel in Spain ? 

Should be on a British holiday anyway so fuck em

[dave2980]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

It says 'Government Taxes'

Which makes it sound like it's imposed......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541

This article explains things. You have to pay VAT on imported goods

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Didn''t know that. I've always used my CC and then just paid it straight off

I used to run Credit business in my younger days. The cover on C cards  is legally binding whereas you are more reliant on Visa if you use their debit card.