Politics

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

She puts it a million times better than I ever could. Let's hope this vision doesn't fall on stony ground with the remainers on here. I fear we know the answer already however.

It doesn't matter if it does though really does it

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

Liz Truss changed her mind.

Thats not allowed I’m afraid.

Changing minds, allowed. Call me a cynic but I'mm not she'd be on the good ship leave if the ppolitical wind wasn't blowing a certain way.

But hey, if folk like convictions changing for personal political gain, then she's right up ppeopel's street. The grassroots love her.

I just want the sunlit uplands of these pork markets. Pigs might fly, eh?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

It doesn't matter if it does though really does it

Why?

Surely a more positive approach from everyone is the way forward.

A bit like football ventures have introduced into our club.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

Surely a more positive approach from everyone is the way forward.

A bit like football ventures have introduced into our club.

Because we've voted out, and the goverment are in charge for another few years, so doesn't matter what people think.

[paulhanley]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I did, and truss me, it's wasn't that enlightening - just a load of well worn stats about changing demographics in certain markets that have been around for a while.

Not enough to bunk off your biggest and closest trading partner, its all a bit clutching at straws rather than some amazing vision of the future.

I'm not sure I'm the one who needs to open my mind a bit more, to be fair Paul mate.

Our trade with the EU has been diminishing for years. The EU's proportion of global GDP has been diminishing for years. The EU has been the slowest growing area of the world for years. 

We've not "bunked off" EU trade. We trade under different arrangements. Arrangements that allow us the freedom to strike our own course in a world that has changed vastly since the turn of the century. 

We chose not to stagnate inside a protectionist racket and we chose correctly.

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, paulhanley said:

Our trade with the EU has been diminishing for years. The EU's proportion of global GDP has been diminishing for years. The EU has been the slowest growing area of the world for years. 

We've not "bunked off" EU trade. We trade under different arrangements. Arrangements that allow us the freedom to strike our own course in a world that has changed vastly since the turn of the century. 

We chose not to stagnate inside a protectionist racket and we chose correctly.

Oh god, I've started him up again.

Right, we don't agree on this in any way, shape or form. So lets agree to disagree and get some minutes of our life back.

[paulhanley]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Oh god, I've started him up again.

Right, we don't agree on this in any way, shape or form. So lets agree to disagree and get some minutes of our life back.

I think you have trouble coping with the fact that there is and always been a hugely persuasive case for getting out of the EU.

I also wonder if you are struggling with the fact that the Project Fear predictions of us all ending up living in caves and in irreversible poverty once outside the "enlightened" walls of the EU have proved groundless.

Anyway, as you say.....

and if there's no common ground to be found 5 years after the vote and 9 months after we left the damn thing, there's not much point in this thread continuing.

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It’s a British company though who ultimately loses out. As lots of smaller UK companies are discovering the deal we signed was shit. #taking back control 

French jobs still been lost so the point stands, the deal as it stands does not work well for either party, one side are willing to discuss and amend it so it works better for both parties, the other side are still in punishment mode, they’ll wake up & smell the coffee all in good time. 

[Spider]

The Deal

Lollyroflcopterlollzzzzz

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

I think you have trouble coping with the fact that there is and always been a hugely persuasive case for getting out of the EU.

I also wonder if you are struggling with the fact that the Project Fear predictions of us all ending up living in caves and in irreversible poverty once outside the "enlightened" walls of the EU have proved groundless.

Anyway, as you say.....

and if there's no common ground to be found 5 years after the vote and 9 months after we left the damn thing, there's not much point in this thread continuing.

I've got no trouble coming to terms with anything, I think you a widely wrong and throughly misguided, lead by a fundementalism of anti-european rhetoric and spurred on false promises made by half-wit leaders.

And if you can't see that after how many years and how many months of blatent lies and exsiting deals dressed up in new wrapping there really isn't much point continuing this thread. Well done, sir.

[Spider]

Back in reality, I’m still waiting for anyone to tell me how things are better post Brexit.

Vaccines ✔️
 

Anymore for anymore?

[Sweep]

35 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

Surely a more positive approach from everyone is the way forward.

A bit like football ventures have introduced into our club.

I agree, but it'll never happen.

I say it doesn't matter, because the decision is already made, so it's of little or no consequence if some people don't like or agree with it

[paulhanley]

18 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've got no trouble coming to terms with anything, I think you a widely wrong and throughly misguided, lead by a fundementalism of anti-european rhetoric and spurred on false promises made by half-wit leaders.

And if you can't see that after how many years and how many months of blatent lies and exsiting deals dressed up in new wrapping there really isn't much point continuing this thread. Well done, sir.

So Project Fear and all that browbeating by George Osborne has come to be then has it? 

Of course it hasn't. 

And with the failure of those predictions to materialise has gone any shred of credibility ultra remainers ever had. 

You can try to airbrush the remainer track record - but millions have not forgotten the blatant lies that were pushed on us. And that's without even going in to the democracy-denying.

Edited September 16, 2021 by paulhanley

[Spider]

Everyone on here has accepted the decision, despite Paul’s desperate assertions otherwise.

It is the delivery of Brexit that is the issue.

Half the current mob are remainers (well, were until they realised a successful career demanded a change).

A bunch of genuinely shit politicians are making an absolute fucking mess of it. Lying to all and sundry, backing out of deals, ignoring chaos at the ports, never answering questions.

We voted to leave and that’s what will happen.

Alas, the people charged with organising it couldn’t arrange a shit in a toilet, and the proof is all around us.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Spider

[Farrelli]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

Back in reality, I’m still waiting for anyone to tell me how things are better post Brexit.

Vaccines ✔️
 

Anymore for anymore?

Increased wages and better conditions for lorry drivers. Although that was going to happen anyway and it will be fed back to us with higher food prices.

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Increased wages and better conditions for lorry drivers. Although that was going to happen anyway and it will be fed back to us with higher food prices.

Better conditions you say? Taken today:

 

[mickbrown]

24 minutes ago, Spider said:

Back in reality, I’m still waiting for anyone to tell me how things are better post Brexit.

Vaccines ✔️
 

Anymore for anymore?

 

Pretty sure there's loads of EU countries with better vaccination rates than us 

[mickbrown]

Aye 

Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Denmark, France and Italy all above us.

Fuck that red tape.

 

 

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Aye 

Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Denmark, France and Italy all above us.

Fuck that red tape.

 

 

I was referring to the speed at which we got the vaccine and started injecting folk.

Can't blame the government for the thick cunts that won't have it.

[Not in Crawley]

22 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

So Project Fear and all that browbeating by George Osborne has come to be then has it? 

Of course it hasn't. 

And with the failure of those predictions to materialise has gone any shred of credibility ultra remainers ever had. 

You can try to airbrush the remainer track record - but millions have not forgotten the blatant lies that were pushed on us. And that's without even going in to the democracy-denying.

You love having the last word, you little tinker. It's almost as though you've never been told no.

I'm not airbrushing anything nor denying any democratic vote, I think you are fundamentally wrong on quite a bit and disagree with you on these points. 

So, as I said before, let's play nice and agree to disagree. 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

I was referring to the speed at which we got the vaccine and started injecting folk.

Can't blame the government for the thick cunts that won't have it.

Mick can. 

[paulhanley]

9 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

You are Lord Adonis with bells on.

He makes Guy Verhoefstadt look lkke a Eurosceptic.

Picture him in his home with his EU flag fixed in the corner of his window. Starting out in to the gloomy world. Britain in that 90 per cent of the world that's outside the EU. Britain outside of the slowest growing part of the world over three decades. Hoping that the good Lord Adonis will ride to his rescue one day.

[Escobarp]

11 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

You are Lord Adonis with bells on.

A cross between Chris custard and Steve bray more like. 🤡😴🥱

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

I was referring to the speed at which we got the vaccine and started injecting folk.

Can't blame the government for the thick cunts that won't have it.

Well they caught up no bother, so being in Europe ain't an issue supply wise anymore. 

And is there a link with us being out of Europe and a larger number if thick cunts? 

(Dons tin hat and dives in trench)

[paulhanley]

25 minutes ago, Spider said:

Everyone on here has accepted the decision, despite Paul’s desperate assertions otherwise.

It is the delivery of Brexit that is the issue.

Half the current mob are remainers (well, were until they realised a successful career demanded a change).

A bunch of genuinely shit politicians are making an absolute fucking mess of it. Lying to all and sundry, backing out of deals, ignoring chaos at the ports, never answering questions.

We voted to leave and that’s what will happen.

Alas, the people charged with organising it couldn’t arrange a shit in a toilet, and the proof is all around us.

Yet the UK is currently top of the league for economic growth among G7 nations. How strange.....