Politics

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, paulhanley said:

I appreciate that in posting this there will be a few remainers who aren't open minded enough to listen to a speech by Liz Truss because she's a Tory. Others will dismiss anything a leaver says.

However this is an articulation of our post-Brexit future of a far, far greater quality than I could ever give. An explanation of how we are on a journey to being an exporting nation based on our existing and developing strengths, aiming at those speedily growing economies in Asia - a trend that is leading to the whole centre to the world's trading gravity shifting east. As these economies expand there are burgeoning middle-classes there with cash to spend and whole new markets for us. We have digital expertise par excellence in this nation and doors are open to us should we choose to walk through them.

Staying in the EU under these circumstances no longer made huge sense. Please, please watch. It's what I think - but said a million times better.

You want visionary ? This is visionary.

 

Excellent that Paul. Liz Truss a possible future PM?

[Not in Crawley]

48 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Excellent that Paul. Liz Truss a possible future PM?

Wouldn't that be quite a thing.

[paulhanley]

51 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Excellent that Paul. Liz Truss a possible future PM?

Far from impossible....but she's got a big old job to prove herself in now.

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Far from impossible....but she's got a big old job to prove herself herself

Given the duffers some folk like to prop up, why not? I mean, it's not exactly a government of all the talents. 

Yeah, fuck it, let's give Liz a go. Maybe she could roll out some more well worn stats about world demographics, we'll be drowning in pork and cheese and making millions off the far East middle classes by the end of the year. 

Onwards, brothers and sisters, the sunlit uplands are but a Liz Truss away....

 

[jayjayoghani]

After the current shitshower I'd give anyone a go who is fundamentally a decent, honest person..couldn't give a fuck what party. That's probably too much to ask.

[Spider]

It just shows how low the bar has been set

[Morizio]

Liz Truss is a fuckwit

[Biggish Dave]

I barely read this thread, fuck me I can tell why just reading the last 24 hours posts.

He said, she said. Not hard to spot political persuasions. More playground squabbles than H.O.C

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

I barely read this thread, fuck me I can tell why just reading the last 24 hours posts.

He said, she said. Not hard to spot political persuasions. More playground squabbles than H.O.C

You can tell the ones working from home😊

[mickbrown]

I reckon Reece Mogg is in there as a barometer. If a northern bloke working in education finds him acceptable they can get away with literally anything.

[Youri McAnespie]

P.E. Teacher - Nailed on.

[Youri McAnespie]

Probably awards himself penalties in a dual role as ref and in character as CR7...

Then demands a retake after missing claiming the 'keeper was fully off his line...

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

You can tell the ones working from home😊

You are right, I'm sat in front of a computer all day, three screens blasting out all day, its pretty easy to post on here, especially now face to face meetings are a rarity. This week has been great as I'm approving grant applications so I'm even allowed to put my OOO on so no fucker can email me as well.

It's great, get up at 9, brew, log on, finish at 6. 

Fuck the office.

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Probably awards himself penalties in a dual role as ref and in character as CR7...

Then demands a retake after missing claiming the 'keeper was fully off his line...

In my mind, he's very much the modern version of the bloke in Kes.

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Biggish Dave said:

I barely read this thread, fuck me I can tell why just reading the last 24 hours posts.

He said, she said. Not hard to spot political persuasions. More playground squabbles than H.O.C

It's a debate, and it's just a bit of fun, it changes nothing in the real world. No need to be all sniffy biggie.

[paulhanley]

5 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Given the duffers some folk like to prop up, why not? I mean, it's not exactly a government of all the talents. 

Yeah, fuck it, let's give Liz a go. Maybe she could roll out some more well worn stats about world demographics, we'll be drowning in pork and cheese and making millions off the far East middle classes by the end of the year. 

Onwards, brothers and sisters, the sunlit uplands are but a Liz Truss away....

 

Calm down dear. We know you've not been happy since the Blair/Brown interruption of consistent Conservative government since 1979. Just occasionally the toys go out of the pram to prove it. 

Still I'm sure you can be "progressive" in your own front room. An Englishman's home is his castle and all that.

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Calm down dear. We know you've not been happy since the Blair/Brown interruption of consistent Conservative government since 1979. Just occasionally the toys go out of the pram to prove it. 

Still I'm sure you can be "progressive" in your own front room. An Englishman's home is his castle and all that.

I'm as calm as a clam, dear Paul, it was just a mild ribbing for you and your fellow travellers.

I'm afraid your last para makes no sense to me at all. Unless you are asking everyone who disagrees with you to shut their doors and be quiet? Now you wouldn't be suggesting that would you paulino? 

The good news is because of what I do, I can be as progressive as I choose to be and make a difference in ways deemed fit. As an independent charity we are beholden to no wims and wills of the government for funding or who we give money to.

Tune into the BBC on Tuesday, you can have a good old seethe at the metropolitan arts elite celebrating the amazing work done in the community - from museums having to act as food banks and free school dining rooms in Essex to working with immigrant and local deprived communities and councils putting money towards culture to do this in Yorkshire. Inspiring stuff done despite the lack of central government assistance.

It's one big fuck you to the government. Things carry on without you. Most pleasing.

[Spider]

49 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm as calm as a clam, dear Paul, it was just a mild ribbing for you and your fellow travellers.

I'm afraid your last para makes no sense to me at all. Unless you are asking everyone who disagrees with you to shut their doors and be quiet? Now you wouldn't be suggesting that would you paulino? 

The good news is because of what I do, I can be as progressive as I choose to be and make a difference in ways deemed fit. As an independent charity we are beholden to no wims and wills of the government for funding or who we give money to.

Tune into the BBC on Tuesday, you can have a good old seethe at the metropolitan arts elite celebrating the amazing work done in the community - from museums having to act as food banks and free school dining rooms in Essex to working with immigrant and local deprived communities and councils putting money towards culture to do this in Yorkshire. Inspiring stuff done despite the lack of central government assistance.

It's one big fuck you to the government. Things carry on without you. Most pleasing.

Booooo

Paul will be along later to completely ignore your facts and mention whimsical, notional ideals that you don’t seem to understand.

The real world is not for Paul. He’s an ideas man.

[paulhanley]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm as calm as a clam, dear Paul, it was just a mild ribbing for you and your fellow travellers.

I'm afraid your last para makes no sense to me at all. Unless you are asking everyone who disagrees with you to shut their doors and be quiet? Now you wouldn't be suggesting that would you paulino? 

The good news is because of what I do, I can be as progressive as I choose to be and make a difference in ways deemed fit. As an independent charity we are beholden to no wims and wills of the government for funding or who we give money to.

Tune into the BBC on Tuesday, you can have a good old seethe at the metropolitan arts elite celebrating the amazing work done in the community - from museums having to act as food banks and free school dining rooms in Essex to working with immigrant and local deprived communities and councils putting money towards culture to do this in Yorkshire. Inspiring stuff done despite the lack of central government assistance.

It's one big fuck you to the government. Things carry on without you. Most pleasing.

 

Well that got you frothing didn't it. 

I'm well aware of the metropolitan arts elite and occasionally find myself working with them. I note that they often declare their work to be "amazing". Sometimes it's even "literally amazing". Occasionally I might even agree. 

They are well meaning, no doubt. There is an impression that if they had held the levers of power the state would be deemed to have the solution to absolutely every problem known to man, which is essentially what you've just said. There is rarely any acknowledgement that government income derives from taxes paid by working people and wealth/job creators in the private sector and that the success of such people ultimately pays their wages. Nor is there an acknowledgement that the Government is responsible for managing its own budgets (poorly for the past two decades under all parties). The thought process is always one of the "perfect world" where money and maths concerns never see to come in to the equation. 

When living in a healthy democratic society it is clearly possible for localities to elect different representatives from those in central government. You may disagree with the policies of Mr Johnson's government but they were elected with a big majority. Similarly people of a Conservative persuasion may disagree with their local council if it is run by another party- but if they were elected they have a mandate. I'm really glad that principle still applies. It seemed to have been lost on some of your "progressive" chums after 2016.

Good luck to you in your endeavours. Life beyond state provision thrives. It's good to hear.

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by paulhanley

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

 

Well that got you frothing didn't it. 

I'm well aware of the metropolitan arts elite and occasionally find myself working with them. I note that they often declare their work to be "amazing". Sometimes it's even "literally amazing". Occasionally I might even agree. 

They are well meaning, no doubt. There is an impression that if they had held the levers of power the state would be deemed to have the solution to absolutely every problem known to man, which is essentially what you've just said. There is rarely any acknowledgement that government income derives from taxes paid by working people and wealth/job creators in the private sector and that the success of such people ultimately pays their wages. Nor is there an acknowledgement that the Government is responsible for managing its own budgets (poorly for the past two decades under all parties). The thought process is always one of the "perfect world" where money and maths concerns never see to come in to the equation. 

When living in a healthy democratic society it is clearly possible for localities to elect different representatives from those in central government. You may disagree with the policies of Mr Johnson's government but they were elected with a big majority. Similarly people of a Conservative persuasion may disagree with their local council if it is run by another party- but if they were elected they have a mandate. I'm really glad that principle still applies. It seemed to have been lost on some of your "progressive" chums after 2016.

Good luck to you in your endeavours. Life beyond state provision thrives. It's good to hear.

 

Yes, proper raging. I'm not really sure why you think I'm angry.

Anyway, you seem to be carrying round the same old tropes that somehow I'm a democracy denier, as are my 'ilk'. You've also misunderstood the idea of wealth creation being singularly linked to the private sector, but I'll let that one go.

Anyway, without state provision these organisations wouldn't exist, its why we have NDPBs to protect against arbitrary government policies as best they can.

This is just a small financial reward for what they have done (and in many cases shouldn't have needed to) over the past 12 months.

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Yes, proper raging. I'm not really sure why you think I'm angry.

Anyway, you seem to be carrying round the same old tropes that somehow I'm a democracy denier, as are my 'ilk'. You've also misunderstood the idea of wealth creation being singularly linked to the private sector, but I'll let that one go.

Anyway, without state provision these organisations wouldn't exist, its why we have NDPBs to protect against arbitrary government policies as best they can.

This is just a small financial reward for what they have done (and in many cases shouldn't have needed to) over the past 12 months.

Whether they should or should not have needed to is not a matter for you alone to adjudicate on and if the Government of the day disagrees then it has an electoral mandate to back it up. 

GIven your NDBPs are spending taxpayer's money (ie money earned by people and then contributed via income tax, National Insurance, indirect taxation etc) then I'm sure there are ways that they are held accountable for how it is spent. 

I'm perfectly prepared to debate with you what should and should not be subsidised in the world of arts if you wish - but these are very often matters of individual judgement and not necessarily party political.

It may not wholly surprise you to know that I think it would be sad if (for instance) Mozart's symphonies were played live less often because subsidies were withdrawn. I would not be sad if some mural depicting a statue being toppled was not to receive subsidy. However different people think different things and different localities elect different representatives. We live in a pluralist society.

[Not in Crawley]

39 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Whether they should or should not have needed to is not a matter for you alone to adjudicate on and if the Government of the day disagrees then it has an electoral mandate to back it up. 

GIven your NDBPs are spending taxpayer's money (ie money earned by people and then contributed via income tax, National Insurance, indirect taxation etc) then I'm sure there are ways that they are held accountable for how it is spent. 

I'm perfectly prepared to debate with you what should and should not be subsidised in the world of arts if you wish - but these are very often matters of individual judgement and not necessarily party political.

It may not wholly surprise you to know that I think it would be sad if (for instance) Mozart's symphonies were played live less often because subsidies were withdrawn. I would not be sad if some mural depicting a statue being toppled was not to receive subsidy. However different people think different things and different localities elect different representatives. We live in a pluralist society.

O be honest, I'm not hugely interested in going down that rabbit hole with you. I've written too many articles, done too many conferences and been in one too many think tanks debating what constitutes cultural democracy to start on here as well in a short form football forum where we will still no doubt disagree or you'll pigeon hole me as only supporting NDPBs when I think there are many many flaws in funding and I've spent most of my career in the private sector.

Also IT have fucked my laptop up.

However if you want the current thinking on the matter, this article by a good friend and brilliant academic outlines ACE'S current position to.funding and that of audience development https://www.artsprofessional.co.uk/magazine/332/feature/are-we-witnessing-end-audience

Edited September 17, 2021 by Not in Crawley

[Youri McAnespie]

There was a chance to purchase a beautiful Moran (with his Bolton connections) Hudson River Landscape or pay for an anarchist 'painter' to create a mural of deceased shock punk rock singer G.G. Allin naked, tiny willy an' all, smearing himself (including his face) in his own excrement...

Guess which proposal got the funding?

Edited September 17, 2021 by Youri McAnespie

[Not in Crawley]

I don't care. IT have fucked my laptop and now I can't work and I have to go into the office on Monday to pick an new one up.

Boooo. Fuck the arts!

[Farrelli]

7 hours ago, Morizio said:

Liz Truss is a fuckwit

They will claim she is the new Thatcher if she is even vaguely competent, that is the standard these days😂