Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Didn't say it was. Must just be pure coincidence that everyone you trusted on that issue ended up in this shitshow of a Government.

I didn’t trust anyone, just wanted out regardless…. Just like Corbyn who also wanted out. 

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So if you cheese and casino are correct... which Im not saying you're not. Why aren't Labour hammering this home?

Where do they get sent to once processed?

 

They have, but people choose to listen to Rwanda which dominbates the news cycle because its a daft plan by the people in power. Once processed they are either settled, or return to country of origin

Here you go,

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

LABOUR’S FIVE-POINT PLAN TO REFORM THE ASYLUM SYSTEM:

 

1.  Crackdown on criminal smuggler gangs, through new cross-border police unit

A Labour Government would redirect spending from the unworkable Rwanda scheme, which the government has admitted is subject to a very high risk of fraud, to set up a new cross-border police unit to crack down on smuggling gangs. This would include millions of pounds of new investment in the National Crime Agency.

 

Officers would be based in the UK and throughout Europe to tackle the gangs upstream. This would be supported with an urgent review to identify the gaps in enforcement against smuggling gangs, with the findings used to lay out an Action Plan to be delivered by the NCA and Border Force, in collaboration with international allies and Europol.

2. Clear the backlog and end hotel use

The Home Office is taking 10,000 fewer asylum decisions a year than they were in 2015, leaving people waiting in limbo for much longer and pushing up accommodation costs. Fast tracking cases for Albania and other safe countries, introducing triage and restoring proper casework standards and targets will mean quicker support for those who are refugees, much quicker returns for those who are not, and stopping costly hotel use.

3. Reform legal routes for refugees to stop people being exploited by gangs

Labour would redesign the existing resettlement schemes which are not currently working properly so that they include a clearer process for refugees with family connections in the UK to be considered for resettlement, preventing them being exploited by criminal gangs or making dangerous journeys.  

4. New agreement with France and other countries on returns and family reunion

Labour would negotiate a new agreement which includes safe returns and safe family reunions.  

5. Tackle humanitarian crises at source helping refugees in their region

Labour would work in partnership internationally to address some of the humanitarian crises that are leading people to flee their homes including restoring the 0.7% aid commitment when the fiscal situation allows and strengthening support for the people of Afghanistan, currently the largest group trying to cross the Channel.

 

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

They have, but people choose to listen to Rwanda which dominbates the news cycle because its a daft plan by the people in power. Once processed they are either settled, or return to country of origin

Here you go,

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

LABOUR’S FIVE-POINT PLAN TO REFORM THE ASYLUM SYSTEM:

 

1.  Crackdown on criminal smuggler gangs, through new cross-border police unit

A Labour Government would redirect spending from the unworkable Rwanda scheme, which the government has admitted is subject to a very high risk of fraud, to set up a new cross-border police unit to crack down on smuggling gangs. This would include millions of pounds of new investment in the National Crime Agency.

 

Officers would be based in the UK and throughout Europe to tackle the gangs upstream. This would be supported with an urgent review to identify the gaps in enforcement against smuggling gangs, with the findings used to lay out an Action Plan to be delivered by the NCA and Border Force, in collaboration with international allies and Europol.

2. Clear the backlog and end hotel use

The Home Office is taking 10,000 fewer asylum decisions a year than they were in 2015, leaving people waiting in limbo for much longer and pushing up accommodation costs. Fast tracking cases for Albania and other safe countries, introducing triage and restoring proper casework standards and targets will mean quicker support for those who are refugees, much quicker returns for those who are not, and stopping costly hotel use.

3. Reform legal routes for refugees to stop people being exploited by gangs

Labour would redesign the existing resettlement schemes which are not currently working properly so that they include a clearer process for refugees with family connections in the UK to be considered for resettlement, preventing them being exploited by criminal gangs or making dangerous journeys.  

4. New agreement with France and other countries on returns and family reunion

Labour would negotiate a new agreement which includes safe returns and safe family reunions.  

5. Tackle humanitarian crises at source helping refugees in their region

Labour would work in partnership internationally to address some of the humanitarian crises that are leading people to flee their homes including restoring the 0.7% aid commitment when the fiscal situation allows and strengthening support for the people of Afghanistan, currently the largest group trying to cross the Channel.

 

Yeah but what are Labour going to do?

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I didn’t trust anyone, just wanted out regardless…. Just like Corbyn who also wanted out. 

Hallelujah. Only took 7 years.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

They have, but people choose to listen to Rwanda which dominbates the news cycle because its a daft plan by the people in power. Once processed they are either settled, or return to country of origin

Here you go,

https://policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

LABOUR’S FIVE-POINT PLAN TO REFORM THE ASYLUM SYSTEM:

 

1.  Crackdown on criminal smuggler gangs, through new cross-border police unit

A Labour Government would redirect spending from the unworkable Rwanda scheme, which the government has admitted is subject to a very high risk of fraud, to set up a new cross-border police unit to crack down on smuggling gangs. This would include millions of pounds of new investment in the National Crime Agency.

 

Officers would be based in the UK and throughout Europe to tackle the gangs upstream. This would be supported with an urgent review to identify the gaps in enforcement against smuggling gangs, with the findings used to lay out an Action Plan to be delivered by the NCA and Border Force, in collaboration with international allies and Europol.

2. Clear the backlog and end hotel use

The Home Office is taking 10,000 fewer asylum decisions a year than they were in 2015, leaving people waiting in limbo for much longer and pushing up accommodation costs. Fast tracking cases for Albania and other safe countries, introducing triage and restoring proper casework standards and targets will mean quicker support for those who are refugees, much quicker returns for those who are not, and stopping costly hotel use.

3. Reform legal routes for refugees to stop people being exploited by gangs

Labour would redesign the existing resettlement schemes which are not currently working properly so that they include a clearer process for refugees with family connections in the UK to be considered for resettlement, preventing them being exploited by criminal gangs or making dangerous journeys.  

4. New agreement with France and other countries on returns and family reunion

Labour would negotiate a new agreement which includes safe returns and safe family reunions.  

5. Tackle humanitarian crises at source helping refugees in their region

Labour would work in partnership internationally to address some of the humanitarian crises that are leading people to flee their homes including restoring the 0.7% aid commitment when the fiscal situation allows and strengthening support for the people of Afghanistan, currently the largest group trying to cross the Channel.

 

Sounds great. Hope it works.

Be easier if could just tow the boats back to France though

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Sounds great. Hope it works.

Be easier if could just tow the boats back to France though

Well, its an actual strategy for starters which is more than we have currently.

And I don't know about you but I have more trust in Yvette Cooper than the litany of recent home secretaries.

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Yeah but what are Labour going to do?

Bomb France.

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Bomb France.

Why won’t they just make a policy?

What do they do all day?

[London Wanderer]

33 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So if you cheese and casino are correct... which Im not saying you're not. Why aren't Labour hammering this home?

Where do they get sent to once processed?

 

Labour have been criticising them for allowing the backlog to grow.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-07-11/debates/7568707E-1542-430C-BE00-2E55C0B37FEC/IllegalMigrationBill

They are either deported or given citizenship.

[royal white]

43 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Answered it a few posts back in response to Gonzo. Do keep up. Now can you answer mine?

Is it fuck the same as sending 100s of millions to France isn’t.

Edited December 8, 2023 by royal white

[fatolive]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Stop letting criminal gangs traffic people through your country and putting them on boats on your beaches and allowing your coastguards to let them float off in to the horizon?

Just a start like.

 

Genuine question , would you stop them at Blackpool if they carried on and wanted to get to Ireland ? 
would you want them stopped by the authorities and kept in camps there or would you rather they were just let go to be Irelands problem ? 
 

 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Is it fuck the same as sending 100s of millions to France isn’t.

Eh? I asked "Do you think sending 100 people to Rwanda will 'stop the boats'?"

[royal white]

Just now, Cheese said:

Eh? I asked "Do you think sending 100 people to Rwanda will 'stop the boats'?"

And I put “is it fuck” Surely even you can understand that. Then again.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

And I put “is it fuck” Surely even you can understand that. Then again.

That doesn't make any sense. Particularly when the full answer was "Is it fuck the same as sending 100s of millions to France isn’t." Baffling.

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

That doesn't make any sense. Particularly when the full answer was "Is it fuck the same as sending 100s of millions to France isn’t." Baffling.

😂

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

That doesn't make any sense. Particularly when the full answer was "Is it fuck the same as sending 100s of millions to France isn’t." Baffling.

Is it fuck. Means I don’t think sending 100 people to Rwanda will stop the boats. 
 

The  same as sending 100s of millions (obviously talking about money as I referenced it earlier) to France wouldn’t. 
 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Is it fuck. Means I don’t think sending 100 people to Rwanda will stop the boats. 
 

The  same as sending 100s of millions (obviously talking about money as I referenced it earlier) to France wouldn’t. 

Fuck me. Get well soon.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Fuck me. Get well soon.

What don’t you get? Or you just being your usual Mongolian type self? 

[Not in Crawley]

35 minutes ago, Spider said:

Why won’t they just make a policy?

What do they do all day?

Read the Communist Manifesto and drink Chardonnay

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Read the Communist Manifesto and drink Chardonnay

Well they should make a policy that’s THREE WORDS LONG AND NO MORE then Tory voters will understand it.

At the minute, they seem to think Labour use these ones:

Give Peasants Money

Don’t Bother Working

We Love Darkies

Southerners Are Bastards

 

 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

What don’t you get? Or you just being your usual Mongolian type self? 

I think tbf, you just missed a full stop in the first post. 
 

Seems we’re all in agreement the Rwanda policy is pointless. 

I wonder how many hundreds of millions we will piss away on it. There are sectors crying out for that level of funding.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I can’t believe people still haven’t clocked that our government is choosing not to clear the backlog.

I think it's been clocked by those with half a brain. The sad thing is, between now and the next GE, they'll be hoping for even more small boats to land, and if they're really lucky, for some of these immigrants to cause a few rapes/murders as well. This is all they have left, so they need to keep it front and centre

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Seriously how do they stop the boats? So far we have had stop selling dinghy’s and use the Navy. Any other suggestions. 

They know who the gangs are, pay them the £100M+ that we're giving to Rwanda, to ensure nobody crosses. 

Poacher turned Gamekeeper type scenario. 

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Well they should make a policy that’s THREE WORDS LONG AND NO MORE then Tory voters will understand it.

At the minute, they seem to think Labour use these ones:

Give Peasants Money

Don’t Bother Working

We Love Darkies

Southerners Are Bastards

 

 

Vote Sinister Slags?

 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

I think it's been clocked by those with half a brain. The sad thing is, between now and the next GE, they'll be hoping for even more small boats to land, and if they're really lucky, for some of these immigrants to cause a few rapes/murders as well. This is all they have left, so they need to keep it front and centre

Aye

Whilst our public services continue to crumble. 
 

I’m not dismissing immigration concerns, but it does boggle me that people get more pissed about this than what the Tories have done to our public institutions.