What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Dearest pack of cards ever.

 

That’s what happens when you get some of our own folk actively plotting against our own countries interests.

That’s what happens when you get some of our own folk actively plotting against our own countries interests.

 

aka the government?

aka the government?

 

Yep some of the government.

That’s what happens when you get some of our own folk actively plotting against our own countries interests.

Brexit will be ok for London and the south east, as in they will survive. The rest of the UK's interests would have been better served remaining in the EU.

Surely not even brexit mcbrexits of the world think this is a good deal?

 

In more positive news all banks passed the stress tests for the first time even if brexit is calamitous.

Don’t think we’d be spunking 48 billion for that type of deal.

Anything is possible with those weaklings May and Davis negotiating on our behalf.....especially as we know at least one of them actually wants to remain

I know we've offered "up to" £48B......but has the EU accepted it? They might still want more yet.

It's easy to criticise the current leadership but there really isn't a good deal to be had

It's easy to criticise the current leadership but there really isn't a good deal to be had

Could they not grow a back bone and suggest an alternative. All very Phil Neal Sweden 92

Not really

 

Any decent deal involves things we won't get without coughing up

 

I'm sure we could pay less but we would have to concede on all sorts

 

We are fcuked

Seriously, can anybody think that half-cocked deal is better than what we have already?

Not really

 

Any decent deal involves things we won't get without coughing up

 

I'm sure we could pay less but we would have to concede on all sorts

 

We are fcuked

But that's my point.

 

If they are worth their salt, surely someone says this isn't going to go well! Shall we re or change our mind?

Not really

 

Any decent deal involves things we won't get without coughing up

 

I'm sure we could pay less but we would have to concede on all sorts

 

We are fcuked

Correct

 

The EU has us over a barrel, they know it and we know it. We might get the deal we want.....but they'll make us pay for it.

The EU has us over a barrel, they know it and we know it.

Not everyone on here seems to know it (although I suspect many brexiteers do, but won't admit it). They are living in cloud cuckoo land / head-in-sand land.

 

The EU simply cannot afford to let us have a good deal otherwise they risk others in the EU deciding to leave in favourable terms too. I (and many others) have said that from the start.

 

I wonder if one particular poster on here still claims this is the way he saw it going before negotiations even began. I imagine not, as he has started to line up some excuses.

Not everyone on here seems to know it (although I suspect many brexiteers do, but won't admit it). They are living in cloud cuckoo land / head-in-sand land.

 

The EU simply cannot afford to let us have a good deal otherwise they risk others in the EU deciding to leave in favourable terms too. I (and many others) have said that from the start.

 

I wonder if one particular poster on here still claims this is the way he saw it going before negotiations even began. I imagine not, as he has started to line up some excuses.

I agree, the reality of this debacle is slowly dawning on the leavers and i still maintain that once the deal is done and the details are shared with the UK public it will be a million miles away from the eutopia they hoped it would be. Sadly it will be too late to go back then

Edited November 28, 20178 yr by Salford Trotter

I see this ‘divorce bill’ a little differently

 

Currently for every £1 we give the EU circa 50p is invested in projects in the UK, the other 50p goes elsewhere (which is a reasonable price to pay for access to the single market and the huge economic benefit that it’s brings)

 

I assume that by honouring our commitments to the tune of £50b it will also mean circa half of it comes back this way as the EU projects that we are set to benefit from are also seen through?

 

Just a shame if we don’t get access to the single market in return for the 50p in the £1 that we won’t see. Hopefully we at least get a transition deal out of it that allows us to reap the benefits of membership for some years more

 

The way I see it the divorce bill is akin to us staying in the EU for a few years more, so that can only be a good thing. I’d imagine the divorce bill will be paid over years if not decades (pension liabilities etc)

 

Still think we will be worse off in the short and medium term, just too much uncertainty about what the future will look like post our membership expiring

Edited November 29, 20178 yr by birch-chorley

Going to take some years to claw 48 Billion back in our coffers, mind, i loved the old navy blue passports.

I must say I agree with Not.

 

 

The moron can avoid me any time he chooses.

I see this ‘divorce bill’ a little differently

 

Currently for every £1 we give the EU circa 50p is invested in projects in the UK, the other 50p goes elsewhere (which is a reasonable price to pay for access to the single market and the huge economic benefit that it’s brings)

 

I assume that by honouring our commitments to the tune of £50b it will also mean circa half of it comes back this way as the EU projects that we are set to benefit from are also seen through?

 

Just a shame if we don’t get access to the single market in return for the 50p in the £1 that we won’t see. Hopefully we at least get a transition deal out of it that allows us to reap the benefits of membership for some years more

 

The way I see it the divorce bill is akin to us staying in the EU for a few years more, so that can only be a good thing. I’d imagine the divorce bill will be paid over years if not decades (pension liabilities etc)

 

Still think we will be worse off in the short and medium term, just too much uncertainty about what the future will look like post our membership expiring

As i see it some of the £50b will be to honour projects across the UK but there will be a significant % that will go to pay for pensions and other such expenses that will not necessarily return to the UK. The economic shock from this will last a generation or two and we will be no better off....madness!

As i see it some of the £50b will be to honour projects across the UK but there will be a significant % that will go to pay for pensions and other such expenses that will not necessarily return to the UK. The economic shock from this will last a generation or two and we will be no better off....madness!

The pension liabilities will span over decades so won’t feel as bad as a one off payment up front

 

Be interesting to know what % of the divorce bill is down to pensions

 

Still don’t think the divorce bill is as bad as it sounds, it’s the eventual loss of membership to the single market that will have the biggest hit on us

 

 

Be interesting to know what % of the divorce bill is down to pensions

 

 

I suspect we'll never be told what the final bill is, nor will we get any sort of breakdown.

 

It will be mildly amusing over the next few weeks/months when those on the "leave" side will come out and say that they always knew we would have to pay this......if so, why didn't they say so originally. In the balance of fairness, the "remain" side should have told us as well

I suspect we'll never be told what the final bill is, nor will we get any sort of breakdown.

 

It will be mildly amusing over the next few weeks/months when those on the "leave" side will come out and say that they always knew we would have to pay this......if so, why didn't they say so originally. In the balance of fairness, the "remain" side should have told us as well

I remember phrases such as "we don't owe them a penny" and "they should be paying us" being banded about on here. The so called Project Fear wasn't that in the end more like Project Reality.

It's like cancelling your Sky subscription, then paying half price for another 10 yrs, but not seeing any telly.

It's like cancelling your Sky subscription, then paying half price for another 10 yrs, but not seeing any telly.

That’s exactly why remainers are telling the government to tell the EU to do one and not pay a penny more than we legally owe, unfortunately we’ve a persistent lobby of pro Europeans who want us to get the worse deal possible so that they can continue their agenda to take us back into the EU. We really had to have the leadership and gumption to walk away to get the best deal. I’m hoping the continuing picking of our pockets steels our resolve to take that course of action.

I remember phrases such as "we don't owe them a penny" and "they should be paying us" being banded about on here. The so called Project Fear wasn't that in the end more like Project Reality.

Most folk knew there would be a bill to pay for our liabilities but we shouldn’t be paying anywhere near what the government are offering to pay that bill is due to MPs and pro remainers actively working on behalf of the EU many folk who’ve taken the EU money and have created a situation where our government is weakened in negotiations, now whatever extra it costs you can thank that group of people, hopefully we can now move on and get on do the right thing and leave this European protectionist cartel way behind.

Edited November 29, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper