What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

her political cohorts and others like her.

Arlene Foster?

Arlene Foster?

 

 

She's just standing up for the Union pal. It's yon mon down south you have to be wary of (in more ways than one).

 

Big concrete wall with machine gun towers and severe vetting passport controls would fix everything.

She's just standing up for the Union pal. It's yon mon down south you have to be wary of (in more ways than one).

 

Big concrete wall with machine gun towers and severe vetting passport controls would fix everything.

Apart from the fact unionists of every persuasion don't want a physical border either that's a perfect solution...

DUP don't want to see a border, their issue is with the differentiation of rules applying to Northern Ireland that make it appear seperate from the rest of the U.K. , which they say they won't stand for , on this subject at least, they are quite happy to differentiate themselves when it suits and have no qualms being different than the rest of the U.K. In some areas of law and not wanting to be direct governed from London, but they wouldn't accept your towers and checkpoints either

but they wouldn't accept your towers and checkpoints either

Theyve not that long ago got rid of them

But they are different to the rest of the UK, there is no getting away from that fact.

The problems with their power sharing executive aren't helping matters at all.

If the EU are so keen to move on, why is £50billion so important?

 

Surely they can manage without it if they’re so strong?

 

How much did they have to give the Greeks?

 

Because we've signed up and committed to programs where we are financially committed. They want us to pay what we've already promised.

 

Nobody writes off £50Bn as a favour. 

We are trying to have our cake and eat it. Leaving the EU but keeping benefits and specials agreements on borders.

 

If I was the EU I'd tell us to fuck right off as well.

 

It's either in our out. They don't need to give or help us with anything.

If only there existed some mechanism whereby grown up democracies worked together to ensure that each had more clout. We'd have this settled in no time.

I've still no idea what was so terrible about the EU that we had to go through all this bollocks.

DUP to break the coalition, election called after government defeat in the Commons, Tories offer a re-run of the referendum and get in, people vote with the full knowledge of what a clusterfuck Brexit is, problem solved.

DUP to break the coalition, election called after government defeat in the Commons, Tories offer a re-run of the referendum and get in, people vote with the full knowledge of what a clusterfuck Brexit is, problem solved.

It'd be interesting if all parties put up a Pro and Anti brexit candidate

Interesting interview with DUP chap yesterday, where he explained that current systems over vat and other borders that currently exist work well. They could be easily expanded to resolve new border issues.

However, the RoI rejected it, in what the DUP chap explained was a cynical grab to edge towards a united Ireland.

 

Obviously his side's view and not sure about the accuracy, but you can understand his ire if true.

Ultimately, NI is part of the UK and is most important.

If Eire do try to play hard ball, it could bite them in the backside- the UK is their biggest trade partner and if they make brexit falter it won't help their economy either.

 

Fwiw, I reckon it will be sorted later in the week.

Interesting interview with DUP chap yesterday, where he explained that current systems over vat and other borders that currently exist work well. They could be easily expanded to resolve new border issues.

However, the RoI rejected it, in what the DUP chap explained was a cynical grab to edge towards a united Ireland.

 

Obviously his side's view and not sure about the accuracy, but you can understand his ire if true.

Ultimately, NI is part of the UK and is most important.

If Eire do try to play hard ball, it could bite them in the backside- the UK is their biggest trade partner and if they make brexit falter it won't help their economy either.

 

Fwiw, I reckon it will be sorted later in the week.

 

The current system exists in a customs union. That is the point. What do you have when not in a customs union! 

 

Everything that everyone says is "this works well as it is". 

 

Why the hell are we leaving then?

We are trying to have our cake and eat it. Leaving the EU but keeping benefits and specials agreements on borders.

 

If I was the EU I'd tell us to fuck right off as well.

 

It's either in our out. They don't need to give or help us with anything.

 

I would take that all day long, we finally agree.

The current system exists in a customs union. That is the point. What do you have when not in a customs union!

 

Everything that everyone says is "this works well as it is".

 

Why the hell are we leaving then?

 

Not a clue, still no real explanation out side of some outdated ideas of sovereignty

Not a clue, still no real explanation out side of some outdated ideas of sovereignty

 

 

We are leaving because the EU will not give us control over our laws or our borders and want to continue to rinse us financially, if they also want to punish themselves and ourselves by insisting on not having a free trade deal with the UK then any blame for subsequent damage to both economies would lie squarely on the EUs shoulders.

thats all right then

 

our economy being fcuked will all the the fault of johnny foreigner

 

that will make me feel lots better knowing it wasnt the fault of little englanders

We are leaving because the EU will not give us control over our laws or our borders and want to continue to rinse us financially, if they also want to punish themselves and ourselves by insisting on not having a free trade deal with the UK then any blame for subsequent damage to both economies would lie squarely on the EUs shoulders.

 

No it wouldn't. It would lie entirely on the Brexit voters and particularly campaigners who promised the earth and have delivered a total mess. 

 

The situation we're facing was totally and utterly predictable. We're in a hole. The EU has all the advantage. Everyone who had a brain could see what would happen. We've put ourselves in a position where we simply have to hope that small internal pressures on the EU have enough influence to outweigh the absolutely horrible position we've gotten into. I somehow doubt they will, given the EU have only yesterday seen how incompetent our government is. 

No it wouldn't. It would lie entirely on the Brexit voters and particularly campaigners who promised the earth and have delivered a total mess. 

 

The situation we're facing was totally and utterly predictable. We're in a hole. The EU has all the advantage. Everyone who had a brain could see what would happen. We've put ourselves in a position where we simply have to hope that small internal pressures on the EU have enough influence to outweigh the absolutely horrible position we've gotten into. I somehow doubt they will, given the EU have only yesterday seen how incompetent our government is. 

 

 

More hysteria from remainers. I look forward to the day when I can say I told you so.    Of course that is assuming we can find a set of politicians who have the gumption to do the job.    

Edited December 5, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

More hysteria from remainers. I look forward to the day when I can say I told you so.    Of course that is assuming we can find a set of politicians who have the gumption to do the job.    

 

You've got leading lights of the Brexit campaign doing it. They are the most qualified (in theory) to deliver this. The who thing could be done in a matter of months we were told. No disruption. No economic pain. All be over before Christmas.

 

We can't even get past the first, tiniest, easiest-peasiest hurdle without a major internal political fallout. And then as the hurdle appears into view you have Brexit supporters saying "uhh why can't everything just stay as it is".  

More hysteria from remainers. I look forward to the day when I can say I told you so. Of course that is assuming we can find a set of politicians who have the gumption to do the job.

You will have a long wait Mounts and deep down you know that. A lot of the intial euphoria of the referendum result for the Brexiteers has gone and the reality of the enormity of what we have voted for is kicking in. We are over a barrel and will get bounced about by the EU with impunity when it comes to the hard negotiation. Why oh why didn't people see this coming?

I can't understand why being a brexiteer is somehow regarded as being synonymous with being patriotic. In just over 12 months we've managed to belittle ourselves to the extent that even the least powerful country in the EU has us by the bollocks in terms of a veto, we've less leverage on the direction of world events, less influence on the US and there's a good chance we'll end up being hemmed in on all sides by an increasingly hostile EU.

 

Rule fucking Brittania.

Well I wasn't thinking specifically of your good self unless there's something you want to tell the class?

 

I was thinking more of that treacherous dog Gina Miller, her political cohorts and others like her.

By making sure British judges ruled on British law?

 

I thought that was one of the reasons we were leaving

More hysteria from remainers. I look forward to the day when I can say I told you so. Of course that is assuming we can find a set of politicians who have the gumption to do the job.

Given the tiny majority the government have they do not have the political power to do anything risky.

 

They are a bunch of fuck wits.

 

But you are basing your arguement on the assumption we have the politicians to do the job. Brilliant how at every turn you find someone to blame for the shambles this and is becoming worse.

 

But in no way are Boris, Gove and Farage to blame.

The current system exists in a customs union. That is the point. What do you have when not in a customs union! 

 

Everything that everyone says is "this works well as it is". 

 

Why the hell are we leaving then?

That's what he was saying- things do work well, even though there are already some invisible borders.

It was his explanation that the technologies and systems that currently facilitate the open border can still be utilised and expanded to continue with this.

It was his assertion that the guys in the RoI know that but are just pushing for more.