Politics

[Jol_BWFC]

33 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

So why did she admit to sending racist tweets and retweeting far right racists comments. She apologised for doing it you numpty😂

You can’t be a racist if you know black people. Bolty taught us that - he lives on the same street as black and brown people. He’s got his “Blatter” photo ready for the next person to call him out.

[Mounts Kipper]

32 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

You can’t be a racist if you know black people. Bolty taught us that - he lives on the same street as black and brown people. He’s got his “Blatter” photo ready for the next person to call him out.

Aye it’s a well known trait of racists to marry a Jamaican, have 2 Asian kids and raise money for Nepalese.  😂

[bwfcfan5]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye it’s a well known trait of racists to marry a Jamaican, have 2 Asian kids and raise money for Nepalese.  😂

I don't think you understand what racism is do you?

[Salford Trotter]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye it’s a well known trait of racists to marry a Jamaican, have 2 Asian kids and raise money for Nepalese.  😂

Deary me, it's like Trump likening global warming to a hot summer... Priceless😂😂

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye it’s a well known trait of racists to marry a Jamaican, have 2 Asian kids and raise money for Nepalese.  😂

To cover up her real attitudes, clearly

[Jol_BWFC]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye it’s a well known trait of racists to marry a Jamaican, have 2 Asian kids and raise money for Nepalese.  😂

Oscar Wilde was married with two kids, he couldn't have been gay.

[Salford Trotter]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

To cover up her real attitudes, clearly

She tweeted anti-islamic comments,  retweeted far right activists and then admitted she wrong to do so subsequently resigned her position. The fact that she is married to a black man has nothing to do with it

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

She tweeted anti-islamic comments,  retweeted far right activists and then admitted she wrong to do so subsequently resigned her position. The fact that she is married to a black man has nothing to do with it

I was joking! Clearly didn't get through!

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

I was joking! Clearly didn't get through!

Sorry mate😂

[Jol_BWFC]

8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

In Spain they have part national part  insurance and it’s reportedly better than the NHS, I’ll be happy paying that knowing I’ll get any healthcare in time and when I need it.

Denia hospital is/was one of the top hospitals in the country. Run privately and charged back to the government. The powers that be are trying to take it back under public control, I believe. 

I hope you have a healthy background, as I know the cost of private healthcare for foreigners can be £4-5k per year for a couple, if you can get cover (dependent on health background).

Once we leave the EU, if the EHIC goes, there is a question mark over whether UK citizens would have any access to the Spanish health system without any private health insurance.

[Salford Trotter]

9 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Denia hospital is/was one of the top hospitals in the country. Run privately and charged back to the government. The powers that be are trying to take it back under public control, I believe. 

I hope you have a healthy background, as I know the cost of private healthcare for foreigners can be £4-5k per year for a couple, if you can get cover (dependent on health background).

Once we leave the EU, if the EHIC goes, there is a question mark over whether UK citizens would have any access to the Spanish health system without any private health insurance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-medical-care-nhs-european-health-insurance-card-ehic-a8861126.html

[MalcolmW]

1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Oscar Wilde was married with two kids, he couldn't have been gay.

Clearly bisexual.

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, MalcolmW said:

Clearly bisexual.

Another debate entirely. Most likely scenario is that he suppressed his homosexuality due to the political and societal pressures of the time. It appears that the likes of Anne Widdecombe would like to bring those things back. 

[Youri McAnespie]

He was a posing somdomite. If he was alive he should be flogged, as he isn't Stephen Fry should take the public flogging.

[paulhanley]

By James Bartholomew in today's Telegraph. 

In his election campaign Donald Trump said he would 'drain the swamp'. He meant that he wanted to remove lobbyists and corrupt practices from Washington. But now the phrase is increasingly used in Britain and it is about something related but different. It is about an elite which has take control of public life.

This elite is not intentionally evil; its members consider themselves to be the  most civilised well-meaning and decent among us. As a generalisation they are well educated and come from relatively prosperous backgrounds. They are left-wing 'progressive' or, if Tories, of the One Nation sort. They think that since they are supremely civilised with an open co-operative mindset they must be in favour of EU membership.

The takover of parliament by this elite has been obvious. Three years ago nearly all MPs stated that they would respect the result of the referendum. They have not done so. Why? Because they disagree with the result and are confident that their judgement is superior to that of ordinary people. 

The reach of this elite extends in to the House of Lords, where many are appointees of Tony Blair, David Cameron and Theresa May. But the patronage of these PMs has spread them everywhere - to quangos and agencies like the Electoral Commission, the Crown Prosecution Service and even the police. Oxford colleges are now headed by fully paid-up members, such as Will Hutton, former Labour peers and former BBC executives. The BBC, of course, overflows with members of the new elite. 

This takeover of power is profoundly damaging. It has decreased confidence that we live in a real democracy because of the disrespect that has been show to the result of the referendum and to Leave voters. It has also undermined trust in the fairness of our institutions. Decisions have been made that appear to be motivated by the views of this elite. The raid on the offices of the Brexit Party by the Electoral Commission just before the EU elections is one example. Discrimination against right-wing or non-PC academics is another.

There was a time when it was considered proper that prime ministers and others down the patronage chain should appoint people who were suitably qualified and that they should come from a range of political views. This new elite has dropped those ideas, so confident is it of its moral and intellectual supremacy.

How then should we bring an end to its dominance? It will not be easy because this elite exists wherever there is power and influence. The first step must be to vote them out of the Commons, regardless of which party they belong to. Next, reform of the House of Lords must finally take place. Say 35 per cent of the members should be elected by PR. 

The most fundamental change would be to make all politicians less important. Under our representative system, once MPs are elected the public has now power over them. We should move to become more like a direct democracy, like Switzerland, where are all major decisions are taken by the public. A national vote takes place whenever a certain number of people sign a petition in favour of it. And the vote must be respected. Of course the elite hates this idea - just as it hated the EU referendum - because real democracy denudes them of their power.

The old political parties are comfortable as they are. But distrust and anger are building up. Our own swamp will have to be drained. It is only a matter of when and how.

[Farrelli]

Quoting Donald Trump, enough said about that article.

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

By James Bartholomew in today's Telegraph. 

In his election campaign Donald Trump said he would 'drain the swamp'. He meant that he wanted to remove lobbyists and corrupt practices from Washington. But now the phrase is increasingly used in Britain and it is about something related but different. It is about an elite which has take control of public life.

...

What a load of horseshit. Serf's like you fucking love being told who "the Elite" are by multi-millionairre Bullingdon boys who are born into power.

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Quoting Donald Trump, enough said about that article.

Dismissive complacency. How very typical.

[paulhanley]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What a load of horseshit. Serf's like you fucking love being told who "the Elite" are by multi-millionairre Bullingdon boys who are born into power.

Thanks for that thoughtful and insightful contribution. Us serfs have so much we could learn from you....

Whichever cheese you are, it isn't sage. 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Thanks for that thoughtful and insightful contribution. Us serfs have so much we could learn from you....

 Whichever cheese you are, it isn't sage. 

Where's your "thoughtful and insightful contribution"? You just copy and pasted a conspiratorial opinion piece from The Telegraph.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Cheese

[Moon boy]

42 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Where's your "thoughtful and insightful contribution"? You just copy and pasted a conspiratorial opinion piece from The Telegraph.

The article is spot on, if someone else can articulate your opinion in writing better than you can, what’s wrong with that?

Which bits did you not agree with?

[paulhanley]

2 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

The article is spot on, if someone else can articulate your opinion in writing better than you can, what’s wrong with that?

Which bits did you not agree with?

Quite.

He'll have disagreed with the lot because it's in The Telegraph. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

Quite.

He'll have disagreed with the lot because it's in The Telegraph. 

I don’t agree

He just disagrees with everything!

[paulhanley]

Just now, boltondiver said:

I don’t agree

He just disagrees with everything!

He does doesn't he. Cheese crackers.

[Not in Crawley]

Well by that description I’m the bloody elite - and trust me I’m not. 

What a longwinded way to make divisive comments about the middle class who live in the South East, ignoring those with real power from the top 5% to get everyone riled up to hate the middle band.

Christ, this has been happening ever since the time of the industrial revolution in this country. The idea that people have direct votes on every part of legislation is a nonsense in a country the size and demographic spread as ours - the referendum simple proved this point. What should happen is people getting better educated about how our system works and feel empowered to run for public office rather than it simply being not something people are interested in until it’s blindly screeching against an unknown ‘enemy’ that’s been pointed out by - and here’s the deepest irony - the establishment themselves.

Look around, whose really benefitting from this turmoil? Because as far as I can see it’s not the man on the street but those in an ivory tower made up of established wealth and the old school tie.