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48 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Not so far away? Wow. I mean superficially if that's as far as you can see then sure - they aren't close but I guess in the same continent.

But politically? Not even the same planet. 

Now I know you know nowt

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20 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Now I know you know nowt

Ok so before we even get onto the biggest political issue of our time...

Lets look at some key policies Blair enacted:

Tax rises

Higher Welfare spending

Increased spending on social services

Huge amounts of money poured into the NHS and schools

Increased workers rights

Introduced the human rights act

That's just off the top of my head. Now of those things we know Boris' government is more or less diametrically opposed to Blair's position on every single item on that list. As is Boris himself with the arguable exception of the final two - but then I rather expect that to be "tokenism" towards the so called "one nation" Tories.

Then we come onto the EU. 

But aye they are the same.....

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13 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Ok so before we even get onto the biggest political issue of our time...

Lets look at some key policies Blair enacted:

Tax rises

Higher Welfare spending

Increased spending on social services

Huge amounts of money poured into the NHS and schools

Increased workers rights

Introduced the human rights act

That's just off the top of my head. Now of those things we know Boris' government is more or less diametrically opposed to Blair's position on every single item on that list. As is Boris himself with the arguable exception of the final two - but then I rather expect that to be "tokenism" towards the so called "one nation" Tories.

Then we come onto the EU. 

But aye they are the same.....

I’d say Boris is historically much closer to the centre / Blair (politically speaking)

He has lurched right to suit himself and it’s worked, he’s now the PM! 

Dont forget, he wrote 2 letters before he decided which way to go in the referendum, one for, the other against. He is by far the most disingenuous politician going. Scumbag really on that level, fuck him

For the record I’d say the same if he was an arch leaver who flipped to remain to enhance his career. I’d much rather have someone who is genuine and would do what they believe is right for the country 

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6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All that public spending- great so long as the money is there.

Remember his chancellor, "no boom and bust!"

Plenty of boom and a massive bust.

Even a genuine Cyclops should have seen that coming.

Let’s have it right, the ‘Massive bust’ was a global financial crisis effecting all countries rather than a localised event driven by central government 

I believe Blair and Brown are looked back unfairly for me 

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12 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Let’s have it right, the ‘Massive bust’ was a global financial crisis effecting all countries rather than a localised event driven by central government 

I believe Blair and Brown are looked back unfairly for me 

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have a lot to answer for the financial crisis

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10 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Let’s have it right, the ‘Massive bust’ was a global financial crisis effecting all countries rather than a localised event driven by central government 

I believe Blair and Brown are looked back unfairly for me 

Indeed. But brown constantly said he wouldn't overspend, and would effectively keep some back for a rainy day.

Not too sure he was overly successful.

I don't have a problem with public spending, but it's got to be adjacent to investment in jobs growth, infrastructure etc, that will help produce tax revenues by return.

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Fantastic week:

▪️Bombardier: £4.5bn Cairo monorail contract

▪️Kensa: New Cornwall factory, 150 jobs

▪️Around Noon: £7m investment, 94 jobs

▪️McLaren: New Woking facility

▪️Coca-Cola: £23m factory investment

▪️Rolls-Royce: £346.7m Typhoon engine contract

 

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18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Indeed. But brown constantly said he wouldn't overspend, and would effectively keep some back for a rainy day.

Not too sure he was overly successful.

I don't have a problem with public spending, but it's got to be adjacent to investment in jobs growth, infrastructure etc, that will help produce tax revenues by return.

He didn't overspend. The bailing out of the banks was necessary and required a lot of borrowing. 

As for the last line that is what Labour achieved - a booming economy with investment from government that allowed public services to be funded to levels not seen before. Then the crash - but lets remember at the time the Tories under Cameron were calling for higher public spending than Blair/Brown were committing to. 

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21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fantastic week:

▪️Bombardier: £4.5bn Cairo monorail contract

▪️Kensa: New Cornwall factory, 150 jobs

▪️Around Noon: £7m investment, 94 jobs

▪️McLaren: New Woking facility

▪️Coca-Cola: £23m factory investment

▪️Rolls-Royce: £346.7m Typhoon engine contract

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

And we haven't even left yet😁

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16 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

lets remember at the time the Tories under Cameron were calling for higher public spending than Blair/Brown were committing to. 

Sssshhhh - you're doing it all wrong. It was years of financial mismanagement by a profligate Labour party who were also responsible for the economic downturn which was in no way related to the global crash which affected everywhere else but not the UK. 

Followed by a period of strong, stable and wise Conservative leadership which has left us much better place, socially, financially and as a world power and with no doubt whatsoever about our future place in the world. 

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4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fantastic week:

▪️Bombardier: £4.5bn Cairo monorail contract

▪️Kensa: New Cornwall factory, 150 jobs

▪️Around Noon: £7m investment, 94 jobs

▪️McLaren: New Woking facility

▪️Coca-Cola: £23m factory investment

▪️Rolls-Royce: £346.7m Typhoon engine contract

 

All good news, especially the Bombardier one, which is worth $2.85B to Bombardier UK

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3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Well the entire system didn't collapse so I suppose we can be grateful for that?

Aye.

Fwiw, I don't have a problem with the bail out etc, just the rainy day preparation wasn't too effective. I was chuffed initially when we were told no more book and bust etc.

I benefited from some of the spending, then suffered when it went.

Just disappointed that it didn't work out as GB said it would.

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18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye.

Fwiw, I don't have a problem with the bail out etc, just the rainy day preparation wasn't too effective. I was chuffed initially when we were told no more book and bust etc.

I benefited from some of the spending, then suffered when it went.

Just disappointed that it didn't work out as GB said it would.

Gordon Brown said no more Tory boom and bust, but omitted to mention how unprepared he might be for a New Labour version.

He was shite.

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