Sweaty Ken

[Sluffy]

Wigan are owned by a fan of the club as were Barnsley we’ve a bloke (who’s worked wonders) who isn’t a BWFC fan whose sole interest in BWFC is to make himself a profit, do you think it’s common sense to allow him free reign? Many proper football clubs have an ACV even Man U it has not stopped them from being sold or raising finance. The fact of the matter is that you have some issue against trust board members so cannot get over the fact that they have done some good whether you like it or not. I on the other hand can see good and bad on the trust and KA part, im impartial you are one eyed. I’ll leave it at that.

 

Well our Bolton loving supporter owner didn't really do us such a huge favour by letting the club get into such a financial mess in the first place and it's our non Wanderers supporting owner who is the one returning us from a basket case club to a financially sustainable one again.  Similarly do you really think the Chinese who have taken over Barnsley and the Hong Kong consortium in talks to buy Wigan are planning to throw all their money into a big black financial hole at both these clubs?  They've taken them over (or working on it) to make themselves a profit.  Just like Anderson is attempting to do.  Why do you have a problem with that - it is after all what business is about.

 

As for ST Board and myself, I once again state that I've never met nor spoken to any of them, nor would recognise any of them if I bumped into them in the street.

 

I have had minor dealings with Smith on an internet forum and the mentalist brought this minor internet spat into the real world and went out of his way and spent his own hard earned cash to fuck up the Bolton Nuts forum simply because I was on it - having complete and total disregard for all those dozens of other Wanderers fans who were involved with the site and would have lost out if he had succeeded.

 

Now I don't consider that to be normal behaviour and I've attempted to keep a very wide distance away from him ever since - wouldn't you also in the same situation?

 

My criticism of the ST has been purely based on how they have acted since its creation - nothing at all to do with the individuals who have led and been involved it.

 

I may have been something of a lone voice against them when they started off but I humbly suggest that I'm very much in the majority now of how they are perceived based on their actions from the offset until now.

 

You are certainly entitled to hold whatever view you want against me - but it certainly doesn't mean it is the right one.

 

As for you claiming to be impartial when it comes to the ST - well that's the biggest laugh I've had this week.

 

Thank you for that.

[Mounts Kipper]

Well our Bolton loving supporter owner didn't really do us such a huge favour by letting the club get into such a financial mess in the first place and it's our non Wanderers supporting owner who is the one returning us from a basket case club to a financially sustainable one again. Similarly do you really think the Chinese who have taken over Barnsley and the Hong Kong consortium in talks to buy Wigan are planning to throw all their money into a big black financial hole at both these clubs? They've taken them over (or working on it) to make themselves a profit. Just like Anderson is attempting to do. Why do you have a problem with that - it is after all what business is about.

 

As for ST Board and myself, I once again state that I've never met nor spoken to any of them, nor would recognise any of them if I bumped into them in the street.

 

I have had minor dealings with Smith on an internet forum and the mentalist brought this minor internet spat into the real world and went out of his way and spent his own hard earned cash to fuck up the Bolton Nuts forum simply because I was on it - having complete and total disregard for all those dozens of other Wanderers fans who were involved with the site and would have lost out if he had succeeded.

 

Now I don't consider that to be normal behaviour and I've attempted to keep a very wide distance away from him ever since - wouldn't you also in the same situation?

 

My criticism of the ST has been purely based on how they have acted since its creation - nothing at all to do with the individuals who have led and been involved it.

 

I may have been something of a lone voice against them when they started off but I humbly suggest that I'm very much in the majority now of how they are perceived based on their actions from the offset until now.

 

You are certainly entitled to hold whatever view you want against me - but it certainly doesn't mean it is the right one.

 

As for you claiming to be impartial when it comes to the ST - well that's the biggest laugh I've had this week.

 

Thank you for that.

Well at least you’ve admitted you’ve an issue with Smith, think that colours everything ST.

 

I’m quite sure that on inception it was your hatred of Smith that made you a lone voice it seems you now add the fact that there’s not been a recent AGM or accounts submitted, big deal it’s not Marks n Spencer’s.

 

They’ve sponsored BWFC academy kids, sponsored the ladies team, help raise thousands for charity and tried to do good with what little money they have.

 

I don’t think the Trust is perfect far from it but neither is KA but I’d rather have something in place should it be needed, with which fans could rally round if the very worst happened, however unlikely that is.

 

You on the other hand seem he’ll bent on destroying it because of some petty spat you’ve had with Smith.

 

I’m finished with you on this subject as it’s quite apparent your dislike for Smith is greater than your love for BWFC and your rational thought process went out of the window the day Smith got involved with the Trust.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Mounts Kipper

[Big E]

Well at least you’ve admitted you’ve an issue with Smith, think that colours everything ST. I’quite sure that on inception it was your hatred of Smith that made you a lone voice it seems you now add the fact that there’s not been a recent AGM or accounts submitted, big deal it’s not Marks n Spencer’s.

 

They’ve sponsored BWFC academy kids, sponsored the ladies team, help raise thousands for charity and tried to do good with what little money they have.

 

I don’t think the Trust is perfect far from it but neither is KA but I’d rather have something in place should it be needed, with which fans could rally round if the very worst happened, however unlikely that is.

 

You on the other hand seem he’ll bent on destroying it because of some petty spat you’ve had with Smith.

 

I’m finished with you on this subject as it’s quite apparent your dislike for Smith is greater than your love for BWFC and your rational thought process went out of the window the day Smith got involved with the Trust.

 

it is a big deal about the accounts when their main issue is the accounts of bwfc. Glass house throwing stones n all that.

 

How much for ? I would guess at roughly £0.00 

[Mounts Kipper]

it is a big deal about the accounts when their main issue is the accounts of bwfc. Glass house throwing stones n all that.

 

How much for ? I would guess at roughly £0.00

The ST have to abide by Football supporters trust rules and regulations and if they don’t I would think they would lose Trust status, that hasn’t happened so I presume that it’s not yet an issue.

[Kane57]

Cutbacks on the way. Jiminho first

[Guest]

Cutbacks on the way. Jiminho first

 

It isn't a cutback. Its simply not negotiating new contracts until the ownership is resolved. That is entirely different. If Ken is about to sell the club, he isn't in a position to start offering new deals. 

[radcliffe white]

It isn't a cutback. Its simply not negotiating new contracts until the ownership is resolved. That is entirely different. If Ken is about to sell the club, he isn't in a position to start offering new deals.

for once I agree with you, just hope jimmy doesn’t jump until it’s sorted

 

Otherwise you could be left in same position as this season minus someone who has done a lot for the youngsters

[Big E]

for once I agree with you, just hope jimmy doesn’t jump until it’s sorted

 

Otherwise you could be left in same position as this season minus someone who has done a lot for the youngsters

 

if he jumps he jumps. i wouldn't be clambering to keep anyone who we can't afford. the academy has done ok but we aren't exactly ripping up trees with a first team full of local lads from 18 to 23 are we. 

[radcliffe white]

if he jumps he jumps. i wouldn't be clambering to keep anyone who we can't afford. the academy has done ok but we aren't exactly ripping up trees with a first team full of local lads from 18 to 23 are we.

I think it’s more a job in progress tbh and I can’t see him being on a massive screw

[Mounts Kipper]

if he jumps he jumps. i wouldn't be clambering to keep anyone who we can't afford. the academy has done ok but we aren't exactly ripping up trees with a first team full of local lads from 18 to 23 are we.

WTF you on about under 18s and U23s had fantastic seasons it’s clear that the academy on the right path and it takes time to bear fruit and without selling academy products the club would be in the hands of the ST.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

WTF you on about under 18s and U23s had fantastic seasons it’s clear that the academy on the right path and it takes time to bear fruit and without selling academy products the club would be in the hands of the ST.

 

It may be on the right path, we don't know. However, the point of an academy is to produce players for the first team. Our record on that is not good. And JP has been here a long time.

 

Not saying I want him to go. Just that the end result of players being good enough and strong enough to be in the first team hasn't been realised. And if you trust the likes of David Lee and JP - their view is that the U23 team doesn't have anyone ready to step up next season. Just saying that the academy under JP was underperforming after a review under the previous ownership and as a result he made changes. But we're still to be able to say the academy is proving its worth, we're a long way from that. 

[Big E]

WTF you on about under 18s and U23s had fantastic seasons it’s clear that the academy on the right path and it takes time to bear fruit and without selling academy products the club would be in the hands of the ST.

 

We are tearing up a lower standard of football than we have played in for years. 

[Carlos]

Academy football is tipp-tappy two touch possession bollocks.

[radcliffe white]

Let’s get rid then

[Casino]

we wouldnt be the only ones to do that

 

 

in our location its always going to be a challenge to attract talent

 

as for what has been produced

 

clough and holding made us 5 million

 

is that a decent return?

 

id guess not, but thats all it is

 

a guess

 

would i be sad to see the back of phillips?

 

no, not at all

 

 

wasnt he put on gardening leave l;ast summer or the one before

 

i guess he is on a good screw

[radcliffe white]

Depending on our future we may have to promote some of these u23 to first team

 

I really can’t see him taking a lot but I may be wrong

[barrycowdrill]

people come and go from football clubs all the time, particularly academies. 

 

Im sure hes doing / done a great job however he doesnt strike me as an innovative football man. He only got the gig in the first place due to his previous links with the club, like the majority up there. 

 

So therefore with or without him the club and academy will move on and be fine

[Guest]

Depending on our future we may have to promote some of these u23 to first team

 

I really can’t see him taking a lot but I may be wrong

 

But then the view of JP/DL is that they aren't ready. You could argue that the reason we did well at U23 level is because we didn't loan the lads out to get real experience. And as a result we won a league that doesn't matter but still have a group of players totally unprepared physically for first team football.

[birch-chorley]

I seem to recall that JP was on big money (relative)

 

I’d wager decent money that he is clearing more than Parky

 

Legacy of his time here more than anything

 

Sure I saw JP at Wigan station on Tuesday, he’d just come off either the London or Scotland train

 

The plot thickens

[L/H White]

I'm led to believe Disley is back in for the club

 

Ken all ears

 

Reliable source to

[DazBob]

I seem to recall that JP was on big money (relative)

 

I’d wager decent money that he is clearing more than Parky

 

Legacy of his time here more than anything

 

Sure I saw JP at Wigan station on Tuesday, he’d just come off either the London or Scotland train

 

The plot thickens

He'd been meeting Scott Green, ITK.

[Casino]

He'd been meeting Scott Green, ITK.

 

 

thats more believable than the mancs shite above

[Guest]

I'm led to believe Disley is back in for the club

 

Ken all ears

 

Reliable source to

 

He doesn't have close to the sort of money Ken wants. 

[Sluffy]

Well at least you’ve admitted you’ve an issue with Smith, think that colours everything ST.

 

I’m quite sure that on inception it was your hatred of Smith that made you a lone voice it seems you now add the fact that there’s not been a recent AGM or accounts submitted, big deal it’s not Marks n Spencer’s.

 

They’ve sponsored BWFC academy kids, sponsored the ladies team, help raise thousands for charity and tried to do good with what little money they have.

 

I don’t think the Trust is perfect far from it but neither is KA but I’d rather have something in place should it be needed, with which fans could rally round if the very worst happened, however unlikely that is.

 

You on the other hand seem he’ll bent on destroying it because of some petty spat you’ve had with Smith.

 

I’m finished with you on this subject as it’s quite apparent your dislike for Smith is greater than your love for BWFC and your rational thought process went out of the window the day Smith got involved with the Trust.

 

Dear God you really are a mentalist.

 

Don't you understand I don't hate Smith or anyone else for that matter'

I definitely don't take anything said on the internet to heart and most certainly would not carry into real life like Smith did.

I can tell the difference between the internet and real life worlds and I'm certainly not malicious or vindictive person.

I've also been blessed with brain in my head and do use it from time to time.

It seemed blatantly obvious to me that the workings and actions of the ST were not those of a public representative body that they set themselves up to be and you will find if you ever bothered to check on all the posts I've made in regards to the ST that my issues with them have been about how they established themselves and have since acted constitutionally and/or how their actions have been entirely negative towards the club owner and how seemingly they sought to oust him and take ownership themselves.  I'm certainly far from being alone in that!

 

As for your reference to rational thought, it is abundantly clear that you certainly don't have any.

Anyone with half a brain cell can see that the ST have acted in such a way since their establishment to piss off the vast majority of Bolton fans and that certainly has nothing at all to due with some make believe vendetta you may think I have against one of their Board members.

[Eavesy]

 

Another year has passed and not one academy player near the first team.

 

Not even close. None starting. None coming on as subs. No one on the bench. (Excluding vela who was in the academy about 8 years ago)

 

And that’s for a club who can’t afford to pay for anyone.

 

 

The return on investment is atrocious. For any other type of business this kind of overhead would have been shut down years ago.

 

And with no one anywhere near the first team it isn’t going to get better anytime soon.

There is no rob holding sale this summer and no potential next year.