Kenny has come out with another one of his columns.

Again he’s asking for 20k crowds.

 

This time, he says it can help add 3 million to our budget, for the transfer window.

 

A bit bonkers isn’t it ?

 

 

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/15701428.Ken_Anderson_asks_for_fans__39__help_to_add___3million_to_Wanderers__39__January_spending/

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by Horwich

yes there may be a requirement to have one, but we as a club spend a lot of time and money making it the best it can be. at the moment for very little reward.

 

We could easily run it on a budget for a box ticking exercise for the EFL & not really give a toss about it, but are choosing not to. thats great. However at some point you have to justify that.

 

if players were introduced then found out not to be good enough then that could be justified in my eyes. However never giving anyone the opportunity is a different matter.

 

even if Hall had made the bench last season at least it wouldve sent a message that we promote where we can. We have done it in the past with Clough, Holding, Walker, Eaves. 50% worked the other half didnt. But at least we gave them the platform to show us 

 

The club is in a results based business, It certainly hasn't this season had the luxury of slipping in an odd couple or so players to give them some experience, even at a substitute level.

 

It's clear that Parkinson DOES play youngsters in the first team if they are good enough.

 

Our academy has been substantially down graded since we left the Premier League and had to face all our financial problems.

 

If anyone is at all interested in what happened to some of the stars of our academy from 2016 and 2017, I posted about then recently over on Nuts -

 

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t17848p30-connor-hall-unhappy-bunny#364707

The club is in a results based business, It certainly hasn't this season had the luxury of slipping in an odd couple or so players to give them some experience, even at a substitute level.

 

It's clear that Parkinson DOES play youngsters in the first team if they are good enough.

 

Our academy has been substantially down graded since we left the Premier League and had to face all our financial problems.

 

If anyone is at all interested in what happened to some of the stars of our academy from 2016 and 2017, I posted about then recently over on Nuts -

 

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t17848p30-connor-hall-unhappy-bunny#364707

 

im more focussed on those opportunities moving forward than expecting them to be thrown in to a relegation dog fight..

 

However, as we were struggling for goals AND results at the end of the season there was potentially scope for Hall to be included on the bench.. thats certainly the talk that was going round game - game so i cant imagine hes that far off. no smoke without fire & all that.. 

 

what wouldve been the worst that happened? he got thrown on against Birmingham or Burton and didnt do anything? no one else did anyway 

 

that opportunity no doubt says more about the lack of options in the 1st team squad than him being in blistering form in the U23's but however it came about the option was there non the less

Edited May 17, 20188 yr by barrycowdrill

Strange thing is I'm sure I was told early in the season that Lee thought Hall was good enough.

Now we're hearing the opposite.

 

Was it better when we had the stiffs playing.

im more focussed on those opportunities moving forward than expecting them to be thrown in to a relegation dog fight..

 

However, as we were struggling for goals AND results at the end of the season there was potentially scope for Hall to be included on the bench.. thats certainly the talk that was going round game - game so i cant imagine hes that far off. no smoke without fire & all that.. 

 

what wouldve been the worst that happened? he got thrown on against Birmingham or Burton and didnt do anything? no one else did anyway 

 

that opportunity no doubt says more about the lack of options in the 1st team squad than him being in blistering form in the U23's but however it came about the option was there non the less

 

Well to state the obvious the option was never there because he was never considered better than Le Fondre.

 

He wouldn't have been picked last season unless Le Fondre was unavailable because he was the same type of player and build as Alf (see link below).

 

As Parkinson could not see Le Fondre and Hall working on the pitch it had to be one or the other.  There was no point putting Hall on the bench if Le Fondre was already down as a sub - as per the last game - so clearly there was 'smoke without fire' amongst the fans in the lead up to the Forest match - where Le Fondre came off the bench to score one and assist for the other two.

 

Clearly Parkinson made absolutely the right call - I doubt anybody could disagree with that surely?

 

Hall could I guess have been named as sub in the games Le Fondre started but that would have meant he was the direct replacement for him (Parkinson not believing they could play in the same game together - see link) and that I guess would have placed him above Wilbraham in the pecking order for striker substitute which would have made no sense - substituting a player (Alf) who presumably wasn't doing on that day against that defence - with an identical replacement (Hall).  Surely the correct answer would be to try a different type of player (Wilbraham).

 

I don't doubt IF Hall really had the class and quality to be in the team at his age, a player like Le Fondre, or a manager like Parkinson simply would be blocking his way.  Which again leads you back to the old saying 'if you are good enough, you are old enough' and at this stage in his career, is simply not good enough and deemed so by the manager and coaches who mentor him every day.

 

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t17704-connor-hall-too-similar-to-adam-le-fondre-says-bolton-boss

what has it cost us to run the academy for the last 5 or 6 years

 

im thinking you must know to decide its worth keeping

No idea what it cost but KA feels it’s an expense worth persevering with and he’s committed to keeping us at level 2 status rather than go for level 3 which is cheaper option.

Edited May 17, 20188 yr by Mounts Kipper

Didn't Huddersfield get rid of their academy? Though I suppose they are in the PL now

Clough and Holding sold last year

 

To be pedantic Clough played this year and came through academy. Not sure the ‘another year’ is fair when we have sold 2 academies in last 2 seasons for £5m plus.

 

And kept the club afloat

Didn't Huddersfield get rid of their academy? Though I suppose they are in the PL now

They gave up their academy as they are in the catchment area for too many teams. They moved from EPPP cat ii to cat IV, similar to us. They have Jon Stead as the sole graduate to play in the prem.

 

Amazed at how few Bolton scouts I see at the younger age- we must be missing out on talent, and seeing the now under 9s play grass roots teams, they ain't all that. Dale Stephens, Joel Coleman both born in the town and picked up by clubs further afield.

Been thinking about this;

 

Nolan

Hunt

JOB

Holding

Mooy?

Vaz Te?

 

Strong

Aljofree?

Holden?

 

How many of our graduates have graced the EPL since its inception?

 

Darby

Phillips

Redfearn?

 

 

Ooh, this might be interesting

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Enter Malc, or someone with a link

Think a lot of them were signings mate

Think a lot of them were signings mate

I honestly don't know; just thinking who got their first proper wage off Warbies or Eddie, and went on to play in the current incarnation of the top fight- that is how they are rated in some quarters. Certainly more productive than Huddersfield; Gumbo might be able to shed some further light on it.

 

My eldest plays her last game for the u17s at the weekend; I know Lostock... There is nothing to celebrate the achievement of scholars. I know others that do- get the kids in an and around the first team, celebrate their success- on or off the pitch.

Well to state the obvious the option was never there because he was never considered better than Le Fondre.

 

He wouldn't have been picked last season unless Le Fondre was unavailable because he was the same type of player and build as Alf (see link below).

 

As Parkinson could not see Le Fondre and Hall working on the pitch it had to be one or the other. There was no point putting Hall on the bench if Le Fondre was already down as a sub - as per the last game - so clearly there was 'smoke without fire' amongst the fans in the lead up to the Forest match - where Le Fondre came off the bench to score one and assist for the other two.

 

Clearly Parkinson made absolutely the right call - I doubt anybody could disagree with that surely?

 

Hall could I guess have been named as sub in the games Le Fondre started but that would have meant he was the direct replacement for him (Parkinson not believing they could play in the same game together - see link) and that I guess would have placed him above Wilbraham in the pecking order for striker substitute which would have made no sense - substituting a player (Alf) who presumably wasn't doing on that day against that defence - with an identical replacement (Hall). Surely the correct answer would be to try a different type of player (Wilbraham).

 

I don't doubt IF Hall really had the class and quality to be in the team at his age, a player like Le Fondre, or a manager like Parkinson simply would be blocking his way. Which again leads you back to the old saying 'if you are good enough, you are old enough' and at this stage in his career, is simply not good enough and deemed so by the manager and coaches who mentor him every day.

 

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t17704-connor-hall-too-similar-to-adam-le-fondre-says-bolton-boss

Can only have one striker on the bench these days can we? Well I never

Can only have one striker on the bench these days can we? Well I never

With your sarcastic tone I reckon you are either a woman or a homosexual. Possibly both.

Been thinking about this;

 

Nolan

Hunt

JOB

Holding

Mooy?

Vaz Te?

 

Strong

Aljofree?

Holden?

 

How many of our graduates have graced the EPL since its inception?

 

Darby

Phillips

Redfearn?

 

 

Ooh, this might be interesting

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Enter Malc, or someone with a link

Basham?

Hall came on for 10 minutes in the FA Cup match (alongside ALF).

Hall came on for 10 minutes in the FA Cup match (alongside ALF).

So not in EPL?

 

Basham good shout for Donkeys- however brief!

What was the keeper called who played outfield against watford in the cup?

Edited May 17, 20188 yr by L/H White

What was the keeper called who played outfield against watford in the cup?

Sam Ashton. At Chorley now.

What was the keeper called who played outfield against watford in the cup?

Sam Ashton, Chorley FC legend

With your sarcastic tone I reckon you are either a woman or a homosexual. Possibly both.

What a belter

Sam Ashton. At Chorley now.

He plays for Ramsbottom now.

yes there may be a requirement to have one, but we as a club spend a lot of time and money making it the best it can be. at the moment for very little reward.

 

We could easily run it on a budget for a box ticking exercise for the EFL & not really give a toss about it, but are choosing not to. thats great. However at some point you have to justify that.

 

if players were introduced then found out not to be good enough then that could be justified in my eyes. However never giving anyone the opportunity is a different matter.

 

even if Hall had made the bench last season at least it wouldve sent a message that we promote where we can. We have done it in the past with Clough, Holding, Walker, Eaves. 50% worked the other half didnt. But at least we gave them the platform to show us

holding didn't look up to it when he first came into the side but they stuck with him and he grew in confidence. Parky doesn’t seem the type to risk youngsters into his team so I don't think we'll see many coming through anytime soon

Agree with that.

So all these players that should have played hundreds of games for us

 

Where are they now

Parky doesn’t seem the type to risk youngsters into his team so I don't think we'll see many coming through anytime soon

 

Would that be the same Parky who played a twenty year old in 34 of our games this season?

 

 

 

 

 

(Antonee Robinson in case you're wondering).