The striking seniors

[Sluffy]

37 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I think your confusing a League 1 football match with a world war 

It’s in the kids interest to play a full league game, great experience for them, something they are all striving for 

They haven’t been sent out of a bunker to face certain death so the older lads can dodge a bullet 

It's in the kids interest to receive a potential career injury (great experience for them no doubt) but apparently not in the first team players?

Had you even thought this through before you posted?

 

[RoadRunnerFan]

23 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

It's in the kids interest to receive a potential career injury (great experience for them no doubt) but apparently not in the first team players?

Had you even thought this through before you posted?

 

In Vietnam the typical soldier served a 12 month tour of duty and was exposed to hostile fighting almost every single day. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by RoadRunnerFan

[birch-chorley]

21 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

It's in the kids interest to receive a potential career injury (great experience for them no doubt) but apparently not in the first team players?

Had you even thought this through before you posted?

 

As the kids do t yet have a career in football they have less to lose with an injury but everything to gain from making a mark at a professional level 

A senior professional is already established and will more likely than not walk into a new professional contract once they have moved on 

The risk v reward is completely different for the two groups 

[tomski]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

As the kids do t yet have a career in football they have less to lose with an injury but everything to gain from making a mark at a professional level 

A senior professional is already established and will more likely than not walk into a new professional contract once they have moved on 

The risk v reward is completely different for the two groups 

I normally agree with much you say on here and even partially with stuff on this. I can’t get away from the fact I’d be disappointed to see any of them play for bwfc again. We need to push on. These lot belong in the past. They’ve made their choice. I’ve made mine. 

[Sluffy]

 

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

As the kids do t yet have a career in football they have less to lose with an injury but everything to gain from making a mark at a professional level 

A senior professional is already established and will more likely than not walk into a new professional contract once they have moved on 

The risk v reward is completely different for the two groups 

You can't be being serious can you???

Insurance companies would insist (or rather ramp up the premiums massively) on anyone but academy players actually playing first team football if that was the case.  They are the ones who deal professionally with financial risks!

Here's a list of 250 of the better players who haven't walked into a new professional contract yet -

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/vertragslosespieler

 

 

 

[birch-chorley]

2 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

 

You can't be being serious can you???

Insurance companies would insist (or rather ramp up the premiums massively) on anyone but academy players actually playing first team football if that was the case.  They are the ones who deal professionally with financial risks!

Here's a list of 250 of the better players who haven't walked into a new professional contract yet -

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/vertragslosespieler

 

 

 

What are you waffling on about now 

Put it another way, if Otzumer, Lowe and Alnwick get released and don’t get another professional contract I will give you £20 

 

 

 

[Ani]

Oz in injured. Alnwick is Ill. 

[birch-chorley]

12 minutes ago, tomski said:

I normally agree with much you say on here and even partially with stuff on this. I can’t get away from the fact I’d be disappointed to see any of them play for bwfc again. We need to push on. These lot belong in the past. They’ve made their choice. I’ve made mine. 

Looks like you might be disappointed tomorrow night then mate going off Parky’s interview 

I’m with you to a certain extent, I think a full clear out of the abomination that was last season is required. But then again I’m re thinking Parky going given where we are 

In all honesty it’s probably going to be 2 or 3 seniors out of the 5 that we might be left with once / if ever this is all over 

[tomski]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Looks like you might be disappointed tomorrow night then mate going off Parky’s interview 

I’m with you to a certain extent, I think a full clear out of the abomination that was last season is required. But then again I’m re thinking Parky going given where we are 

In all honesty it’s probably going to be 2 or 3 seniors out of the 5 that we might be left with once / if ever this is all over 

To be fair Bolton disappoint us all more often than not😂

They can all go for me. We need some seniors just not the ones who pick and choose when they play when the club and fans need them the most.

[Casino]

1 minute ago, tomski said:

To be fair Bolton disappoint us all more often than not😂

They can all go for me. We need some seniors just not the ones who pick and choose when they play when the club and fans need them the most.

I'm willing to forgive Saturday despite generally being very unsympathetic to the players

Only cos I think they will make us better

But no show at Tranmere and they really need to go

By then, they've had plenty time to decide if they are wanderers or not

Like I said on the Rochdale thread, compare them to brockbank and senior

[tomski]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

I'm willing to forgive Saturday despite generally being very unsympathetic to the players

Only cos I think they will make us better

But no show at Tranmere and they really need to go

By then, they've had plenty time to decide if they are wanderers or not

Like I said on the Rochdale thread, compare them to brockbank and senior

Why are they available for this? 

[Leyther_Matt]

3 minutes ago, tomski said:

Why are they available for this? 

If anything, you’d think they’d want to avoid being Cup-tied. 

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, tomski said:

Why are they available for this? 

No idea

Not sure they are

Is it not Parky trying to take the heat off them

[tomski]

Just now, Casino said:

No idea

Not sure they are

Is it not Parky trying to take the heat off them

I liked his first interview more today😂

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Sluffy said:

That's the point though, in every sense they have ducked out and left the kids directly in the firing line - if the seniors refuse to play there are only the kids left to do so.

If the kids had said no to playing then that would have meant the game called off due to strike action - and whatever sanctions the EFL finally decides to punish us with over the Brentford strike would be meted out again for this one and every other missed game during the strike.

Christ even Iles who normally is 100% behind the players even states "there are right and wrongs on BOTH sides"  in his tweet I posted above.

So even he's not fully convinced they were right not to play.

 

I can live without the affirmation of what Iles thinks so not concerned on that front 

If the club goes pop tomorrow, the seniors are likely to get another club before the month is out, if they pick up a bad injury then the club goes pop they could be fucked financially, why risk it?

The kids don't have to play but most know that lads their age will never play a game at this level and if they perform well it could be a great springboard for them, it's a risk worth taking, particularly if the club goes pop 

I get where the players are coming from, it's got nowt to do with trenches

[Sluffy]

3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

I can live without the affirmation of what Iles thinks so not concerned on that front 

If the club goes pop tomorrow, the seniors are likely to get another club before the month is out, if they pick up a bad injury then the club goes pop they could be fucked financially, why risk it?

The kids don't have to play but most know that lads their age will never play a game at this level and if they perform well it could be a great springboard for them, it's a risk worth taking, particularly if the club goes pop 

I get where the players are coming from, it's got nowt to do with trenches

Why would the club going pop after they had a bad injury be relevant - the insurers are a third party nothing at all to do with if the club survives or goes under?

I mention Iles because he normally only takes one view into account - the fact that he thinks/says that he reckons fault lies on both sides (which obviously implies the striking players being one of the sides) seems to be something of a first to him and that he thinks the players case to be somewhat flawed.

Particularly if they play tomorrow with nothing having changed since their position on Saturday apparently?

I'm sorry if I've used a well known saying (well known to me anyway) about sharing a trench with someone you would rather not - seems to have stirred a few people up needlessly, I clearly wasn't referring to life and death issues, more about taking responsibility in unfavourable circumstances and individuals attitudes and behaviour at such times and how it impacts on others further down the line.

Fact is, it was a football match, someone could have been hurt/career ending injury but lets face it - very unlikely in reality.

Why the senior players didn't is up to them - they have a right to withhold the labour whether they are being paid or not (as long as they go about it in the correct procedure) - they also are aware of the probable consequences if they did so, which could mean others being injured and put out of the game instead of them (extremely unlikely but possible) or the club not being able to field a team and the game being called off.

They made their choice - rightly or wrongly.

[stevieb]

1 hour ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

In Vietnam the typical soldier served a 12 month tour of duty and was exposed to hostile fighting almost every single day. 

You don't know man, you weren't there! 

[anthonyj]

TBF injuries can and do crop up regularly in matches, especially when you least expect them. Look a poor Beevers' hamstring and how that just went after 5 mins at Rovers.

Yeah right

[Sluffy]

2 minutes ago, anthonyj said:

TBF injuries can and do crop up regularly in matches, especially when you least expect them. Look a poor Beevers' hamstring and how that just went after 5 mins at Rovers.

Yeah right

Eh?

We are talking about career ending injury's and player insurances for such.

Have you misunderstood something, or have I?

[anthonyj]

I was being sarcastic.

My stance is that i totally disagree with the seniors not playing last week. In fact it really fucking annoys me. But i suppose at least they have been upfront about it, rather than feigning injury like that fucker did.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Sluffy said:

more about taking responsibility in unfavourable circumstances and individuals attitudes and behaviour at such times and how it impacts on others further down the line.

See that's what it boils down to, fans tend to think they have a responsibility to the club and it's fans, whereas the players probably think they have one to themselves

This isn't a strike because they've been denied  a transfer and they are sulking, it's because they've been fucked around for many months and they have a career and responsibilities of their own to think about  

The mistake some appeared to have made is not getting out sooner and looking to stick it out - I bet Oztumer wishes he'd done one when ameobi and oklowksi did, could be turning out for Charlton now

If Bassini doesn't get told to do one who knows how long this will go on for and if the club will survive, so again, why risk it?  None of them are Bolton fans 

[Sluffy]

3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

See that's what it boils down to, fans tend to think they have a responsibility to the club and it's fans, whereas the players probably think they have one to themselves

This isn't a strike because they've been denied  a transfer and they are sulking, it's because they've been fucked around for many months and they have a career and responsibilities of their own to think about  

The mistake some appeared to have made is not getting out sooner and looking to stick it out - I bet Oztumer wishes he'd done one when ameobi and oklowksi did, could be turning out for Charlton now

If Bassini doesn't get told to do one who knows how long this will go on for and if the club will survive, so again, why risk it?  None of them are Bolton fans 

For me at least it is about doing the right thing, not about looking out for myself and not about doing what everyone else would want me to do.  I think to a small extent I even show that in the way I post, I try and say what I understand/believe to be the truth of the matter, even if that lays me wide open to the majority who think different.

If there was so much shit going on at the club and Olkowski and Ameobi felt the need to quit and go before their contracts were up then how do you explain that Hobbs has resigned, and apparently Buckley wants to do also?  That Wheater according to himself was so desperate to resign for the club too?

They are diametrically opposed views, the both can't possibly be correct at the same time - can they?

Sometimes doing the 'right thing' might not be the best for you personally but you do it knowing it to be the thing to do for the best of everyone.

If they play tomorrow then it makes a nonsense as to why they didn't play Saturday.

They say there is no 'I' in team.

Maybe they forgot about that?

Those kids are in the same team and needed help.

Easy for me to say but I would have given it in the strikers shoes.

Maybe that makes me a fool but it would still would have been the right thing to do in my eyes.

[Tombwfc]

If we asked Lionel Messi to play for us against Tranmere, he'd refuse.

If we asked Dave from Daubhill who works at Greggs, he'd crawl over broken glass to play.

It's pretty simple stuff this. The players have been treated like shit. Some have other options and have left, some have other options and have been forced to stay, some have no other option than to sit tight and hope we become a functioning football club again.

[wakey]

our U-18s lost 5-1 to Watford on Saturday.

Amazing we managed to get a team out at all given most of them were in the first team squad.

[Sluffy]

32 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

If we asked Lionel Messi to play for us against Tranmere, he'd refuse.

If we asked Dave from Daubhill who works at Greggs, he'd crawl over broken glass to play.

It's pretty simple stuff this. The players have been treated like shit. Some have other options and have left, some have other options and have been forced to stay, some have no other option than to sit tight and hope we become a functioning football club again.

We aren't talking about Messi or Dave from Daubhill we are talking about players for the same team, in the same squad as each other, who even train together at the moment.

That's pretty simple stuff too - and more to the point - realistic as to what is going on (rather than the contrived Messi and Dave analogy ).

Up to them to do what they think/feel/told/believe/threatened/whatever is right.

You clearly see things consistently one way, it doesn't mean though that other ways don't exist or that other people view things differently to yourself.