Breightmet Boy Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just heard that we've received a extra 6 Point Deduction for missing the game last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2019 26 minutes ago, Breightmet Boy said: Just heard that we've received a extra 6 Point Deduction for missing the game last season. Another 6 points off next season presumably then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 26, 2019 Members Share Posted September 26, 2019 Seems about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Fair enough think I predicted 6-9 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Is the deduction for next season or this season? Link/Source please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: Is the deduction for next season or this season? Link/Source please? Nothing on the EFL web site except the statement they have submitted about Bury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10013424/bolton-12-point-dedication-failing-to-fulfil-league-one-fixtures/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 26, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10013424/bolton-12-point-dedication-failing-to-fulfil-league-one-fixtures/ So, plenty waffle while saying nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2019 So nothing official after all then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Have a very strong case to push back on two deductions this season Ones fair enough mind and -6 points for missing a game feels about right I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Have a very strong case to push back on two deductions this season Ones fair enough mind and -6 points for missing a game feels about right I suppose I don't think the club/administrators did the postponement in the right way; should have discussed it with the efl first. So accept something with regard to that. However, at the time, there were expressions of potential conflict with the fa regulations; if that's true then is it right that the efl seek a punishment for a club protecting its young players. Maybe this is why it's taking so long, as it's not so simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Whatever it is get it done this season and we start next a fresh with nothing over our heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregbwfc Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Ha ha, Nixon again the twat. Anyone remember spurs getting a big deduction years ago and getting them all back ? One rule for some, eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2019 What's the crack with the Doncaster game? As the postponement was in order that the club followed the EFL's own child protection policy, how can the club be responsible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Nixon needs to stick to Cowdenbeath and East fucking Fife gossop/rumours, the Mary Doll shagging jock! He’s a crank, but we will get a deduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, MickyD said: What's the crack with the Doncaster game? As the postponement was in order that the club followed the EFL's own child protection policy, how can the club be responsible? No defence that We should have had enough senior players to fulfil the fixture Or just play the ‘kids’ again I say kids loosely, even though half the tea we’re adults (19 or above) I see a 16 your old scored for Rochdale last night at Old Trafford, wonder if he’s allowed to play on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTheRave Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 59 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10013424/bolton-12-point-dedication-failing-to-fulfil-league-one-fixtures/ 12 point dedication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, DaveTheRave said: 12 point dedication? 2 separate charges apparently it wont be 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTheRave Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 My point was... It says dedication and not deduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, DaveTheRave said: My point was... It says dedication and not deduction. It’s the sun perhaps they’re dedicated to slapping us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: No defence that We should have had enough senior players to fulfil the fixture Or just play the ‘kids’ again I say kids loosely, even though half the tea we’re adults (19 or above) I see a 16 your old scored for Rochdale last night at Old Trafford, wonder if he’s allowed to play on Saturday I think it is a defence, or a defence of sorts. The EFL have no welfare policy regarding young players (that I'm aware of), the regulations concerning the protection and welfare of young players fall within the FA's jurisdiction. We practically found ourselves in a position whereby we had to comply with, or pay due regard to, two conflicting sets of regulations. The EFL insisted the match must be played but the FA's welfare policies require clubs to manage young players' minutes responsibly. It could plausibly be argued that expecting 17 and 18-yesr-olds to play a fourth match in fourteen days (or whatever it was), especially when it would likely have been a fourth ninety minutes, was irresponsible. The counter argument might be that we should've played the 17 and 18-year-olds who hadn't played three ninety minute matches in such a short timeframe, but then I don't know if we'd have had enough to rotate or if it would even have been sensible for them to have played. I doubt it'd succeed if we appealed on that basis, but it's a pretty decent argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I think it is a defence, or a defence of sorts. The EFL have no welfare policy regarding young players (that I'm aware of), the regulations concerning the protection and welfare of young players fall within the FA's jurisdiction. We practically found ourselves in a position whereby we had to comply with, or pay due regard to, two conflicting sets of regulations. The EFL insisted the match must be played but the FA's welfare policies require clubs to manage young players' minutes responsibly. It could plausibly be argued that expecting 17 and 18-yesr-olds to play a fourth match in fourteen days (or whatever it was), especially when it would likely have been a fourth ninety minutes, was irresponsible. The counter argument might be that we should've played the 17 and 18-year-olds who hadn't played three ninety minute matches in such a short timeframe, but then I don't know if we'd have had enough to rotate or if it would even have been sensible for them to have played. I doubt it'd succeed if we appealed on that basis, but it's a pretty decent argument. The EFL can pick from.... Should have had a senior squad Should have rotated the 5 kids who played for 5 kids who sat on the bench the previous Saturday Should have signed some players who would have played for 2 and 6 per game (no matter what level they came from) the only defence we have is that we only missed one game this season and should only get one lot of points deducted this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Regarding Doncaster we asked the EFL to postpone it. They said no. So we then said we wouldn’t play. Not really sure that we didn’t consult them. Was anyone not expecting this? We were always going to be hammered. We might have avoided it if it was just brentford. They might have given us a suspended deduction. But now we will lose quite a few points. Best to get it done with and focus on winning some games. In terms of achieving anything this season is a write off and probably is even without further points deduction to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted September 26, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2019 shit thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: The EFL can pick from.... Should have had a senior squad Should have rotated the 5 kids who played for 5 kids who sat on the bench the previous Saturday Should have signed some players who would have played for 2 and 6 per game (no matter what level they came from) the only defence we have is that we only missed one game this season and should only get one lot of points deducted this season They allowed us to start the season despite only have a handful of contracted senior players. Even if we had rotated players we'd still have had to name the ones who'd played previously on the bench, potentially exposing them to further minutes. We had signed Jack Honbs but the EFL reportedly wouldn't allow him to play. Also, we weren't able to pay the very few number of contracted players we had, never mind able to pay the contracts offered to new signings. But anyway, I expect we're not going to appeal, for political reasons if nothing else, so we'll just have to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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