Coronavirus

[Casino]

15 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Wife is in a similar role to Mounts' and was in today, supervising 14 primary kids with little social distancing.

Thirteen of the kids have doctors and nurses as parents so you would have to think they are probably the most likely people to get exposed to it and pass it on to their kids.

No PPE, no simple things like temperature tests for kids at the gate, nothing.

There's a bit of a lack of joined up thinking going on with this at the mo.

 

Begs the question why it needs support workers to do that

Wheres the teachers

[ErnestTurnip]

Some of them were in as well, I'm not lining my mrs up for a VC or owt.

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The risks are very small, though

What are you basing that on?

The evidence doesn't show the risk level one way or the other so at best it's a guess.

[Youri McAnespie]

Most teachers and support staff think parents are c*nts so it cuts both ways...

[Alf Hartigan]

I liked Spiders comments despite having a lot of respect for teachers.

They are essential workers IMO and need to be working. Give them the required PPE.

[radcliffe white]

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Oh dear, its pick on the Teachers day.

If you think those, and i include Teachers and support staff, who work in a school or College have an easy life, you are wrong, the time put in after hours probably gives them the deserved holidays they receive, but plenty work during half-terms. Its not all dandy.

And of you think Teachers are well paid, your wrong again, wages in the teaching profession have not moved as fast as other sectors. Promotion opportunities used to be at a premium, but since Austerity and cut backs this isn't the case anymore. However Heads and Principals are on a fair whack and have better pensions.

 

Always comes up every now & again 

was one poster years ago who had proper issues with them 

pretty sad 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Some of them were in as well, I'm not lining my mrs up for a VC or owt.

What are you basing that on?

The evidence doesn't show the risk level one way or the other so at best it's a guess.

Hardly any kids have died from it

The mortality rate for the age groups covering most teachers is very low

Not guess work

Keep the populations apart and we can gently get out of our shells

 

[Spider]

Woah

Ive been home schooling for 6 weeks now and trust me when I say that the job is not easy and teachers have my undying respect for the job they do.

However, let’s not start putting every job on too high a pedestal. My job is stressful as fuck too. So is Traf’s, Casino’s, Cheese. Fucking hell, I bet even Crawley is nearly in tears some days when he gets a deserved bollocking for not wiping the theatre managers cock properly after his morning blowjob.

So yes, they work hard and they have responsibility for the most precious things in my life. But they chose it. They get paid for it. They knew that part of this was looking after the well-being of the kids as well as imparting knowledge.

The unions will say they’re doing their job. I say they serve only themselves.

It’s time to step up, and do everything they safely can to get some time with the kids.

For the record, I already know my two have zero chance of being back before September and I’ve accepted it. No complaints. Get the year 1, 6, 10 & 12 kids in and working. They really need it.

[little whitt]

10 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

 

them fuckers at CHERNOBYL  will live longer then them lot on that bus 

lets have a sweep ill give them till the 20th

[radcliffe white]

11 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Its one of them, its easy to have a pop when you dont work in that profession. 

Course, I seen first hand with my old man how teaching changed over the years and ultimately it got to him in the end 

the saying about teachers holidays infuriates me 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Wife is in a similar role to Mounts' and was in today, supervising 14 primary kids with little social distancing.

Thirteen of the kids have doctors and nurses as parents so you would have to think they are probably the most likely people to get exposed to it and pass it on to their kids.

No PPE, no simple things like temperature tests for kids at the gate, nothing.

There's a bit of a lack of joined up thinking going on with this at the mo.

 

It could be the source of the next spike, teachers and TAs exposed without protection. Either protect staff or I’m afraid schools shouldn’t open. 

[mickbrown]

35 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Oh dear, its pick on the Teachers day.

If you think those, and i include Teachers and support staff, who work in a school or College have an easy life, you are wrong, the time put in after hours probably gives them the deserved holidays they receive, but plenty work during half-terms. Its not all dandy.

And of you think Teachers are well paid, your wrong again, wages in the teaching profession have not moved as fast as other sectors. Promotion opportunities used to be at a premium, but since Austerity and cut backs this isn't the case anymore. However Heads and Principals are on a fair whack and have better pensions.

 

Happens every now again.
 

Despite it being a ‘piece of piss’ nobody ever seems that keen to take the opportunity to retrain

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It could be the source of the next spike, teachers and TAs exposed without protection. Either protect staff or I’m afraid schools shouldn’t open. 

Forgetting the risks for a moment.

How do you protect staff?

Stay at home.

So, no school until we have a vaccine?

When the risks are very low. Hmm

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Happens every now again.
 

Despite it being a ‘piece of piss’ nobody ever seems that keen to take the opportunity to retrain

For once I agree with you Michael 

 

[mickbrown]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

For once I agree with you Michael 

 

Embrace the feeling. 😀

[Spider]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Embrace the feeling. 😀

I’ve united people where even tits couldn’t.

Someone let the Nobel committee know please.

[tyldesley_white]

7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Picture the scene in the school and classroom:

Teacher at the front with his PPE mask on, muffling away about Henry VIII and his 6 wives.

20 Pupils in a classroom all with PPE on.

How do you interact, challenge ? Do pupils wipe down their pens, desk, notebooks, class subject text or do the school get the cleaners in every classroom after each lesson? How do you separate them at 2m, seriously that's 4 in a classroom. How do all the kids get to school if public transport is not fully up and running, what about canteens, queing for school dinners, trying to sit kids 2m apart. Its a fucking logistical nightmare.

All back in September, all back to normal.... hopefully.

 

At a minimum every child and teacher should have their temperature checked before they enter the building,.

[Boby Brno]

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Picture the scene in the school and classroom:

Teacher at the front with his PPE mask on, muffling away about Henry VIII and his 6 wives.

20 Pupils in a classroom all with PPE on.

How do you interact, challenge ? Do pupils wipe down their pens, desk, notebooks, class subject text or do the school get the cleaners in every classroom after each lesson? How do you separate them at 2m, seriously that's 4 in a classroom. How do all the kids get to school if public transport is not fully up and running, what about canteens, queing for school dinners, trying to sit kids 2m apart. Its a fucking logistical nightmare.

All back in September, all back to normal.... hopefully.

 

I asked this the other day. Do you think that this will have gone by September or even December or even this time next year?
I haven’t seen or heard one expert who thinks it’s going away any time soon. (apart from some loons)
Sooner or later people are going to have to accept that we will have to live with this for a long time.

[dave2980]

2 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

At a minimum every child and teacher should have their temperature checked before they enter the building,.

That'll be useless for anybody who is asymptomatic which most children are

[ErnestTurnip]

23 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Hardly any kids have died from it

The mortality rate for the age groups covering most teachers is very low

Not guess work

Keep the populations apart and we can gently get out of our shells

This is just in the spirit of the reasoned debate we often get here on WW, I'm not trying to be a dick with you.

- Hardly any kids have died from it.

Think we can all agree that's true.

Do we know whether that's because they've been kept apart ? They're going to be suddenly put into a situation of being in close proximity with a large group of others and we have seen healthy adults die due to being exposed to a lot of the virus over a prolonged time, will the kids be affected the same? Does the evidence from other countries tell us and if so is it consistent? One thing we don't know is how kids act spreading the virus, the links were posted up here yesterday.

 

- The mortality rate for the age groups covering most teachers is very low.

I've personally no idea about how the teaching profession breaks down age wise but I also have no idea of the underlying conditions of most of them either, age seems to be only 1 factor along with health, weight, ethnicity even. Do we only let some staff back in and keep the others away ? Clearly that's not part of the big plan because Yrs X,Y,Z are back in and that might be left to headteachers to decide, should that not be lead from the top?

So it is guess work because the two things you said aren't directly related without a lot of other factors being potentially equally as important.

There's an understandable desire to get shit moving again but do we need schools etc open to do that?

How many people who are furloughed could go back to work without schools etc reopening?

And there'll be a whole host of questions that we should get answered as best we could before deciding whether Mrs Turnip is cracking on full time (which she will be regardless) and whether I'm sending Little Turnip back in to learn how to do phonics with no regard for their ever diminishing Bolton dialect.

 

[Spider]

We can’t hide from it until Xmas.

We can be really sensible if the rules are made clear and suitable punishments applied for breaking them.

We are in a situation that demands not only an arm round the shoulder, but some tough love too.

Good cop bad cop.

School is so important. As is getting parents back to work.

Its time for our leader(s) to lay some stiff ground rules. And apply them.

[Mounts Kipper]

23 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Forgetting the risks for a moment.

How do you protect staff?

Stay at home.

So, no school until we have a vaccine?

When the risks are very low. Hmm

How many teachers or TAs might die we don’t know, we do know hundreds of care and nhs staff have died, and they have in general had PPE. I’m all for opening things up and getting back to work but I think at the very minimum teachers and kids should have suitable quality face masks. 

[Zico]

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

And no surprise you're following up.

Do you not agree that it shouldn't be too difficult to allow one organisation's computers to talk to another's?

From experience, it's one of the most difficult things to do

In theory, yes, in reality, hardly ever

[dave2980]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How many teachers or TAs might die we don’t know, we do know hundreds of care and nhs staff have died, and they have in general had PPE. I’m all for opening things up and getting back to work but I think at the very minimum teachers and kids should have suitable quality face masks. 

Where are we getting them from and how are we going to ensure that they're fitted correctly to children not just at the start of the day but throughout the day?

They'd also probably need a new one every day

[mickbrown]

Letter we’ve had today from our nipper’ school talks of face to face contact with teachers to support remote online work. Doesn’t say owt about them piling back in. She’s year 10. Same applies to year 12. 

So sounds like she’ll be popping in for a meeting with teacher a couple of times a week rather than being taught. A mate’s kid at a different school has had a similar letter 
 

All the other years have been told to fuck off until September

[Tombwfc]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

We can’t hide from it until Xmas.

We can be really sensible if the rules are made clear and suitable punishments applied for breaking them.

We are in a situation that demands not only an arm round the shoulder, but some tough love too.

Good cop bad cop.

School is so important. As is getting parents back to work.

Its time for our leader(s) to lay some stiff ground rules. And apply them.

 

There's some margin between sending them back in June and sending them back at Xmas or waiting for a vaccine.

You can't rush these things just because it arbitrarily feels like we've been at it 'long enough'.

At the minimum we should wait until cases are in the hundreds and there is some kind of contact tracing going on. Otherwise it's the cart going before the horse again.