radcliffe white Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, Casino said: I have an opinion on you and gilet getting worked up about it The knee, i dont give a fuck I honestly havent seen it happen in this country so its not an issue Might see it today? All the rage mate you’d suit a gilet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Mr Grey said: There is difference between anger and not wanting to see it. People have there opinions about it and just because they don't agree with it, doesn't make them angry Some are angry though are nt they ? Not saying you are but it has got to some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Mr Grey said: Invented by the woke brigade mate, love a bit of gammon me, but prefer Bacon myself. Woke ? Is this the gammons’ gammon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 13, 2020 Author Members Share Posted September 13, 2020 Really wish I didn’t do this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rudy said: Really wish I didn’t do this thread Page 11 Thought we’d be on 100 by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 15, 2020 Members Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 13/09/2020 at 15:08, Rudy said: Really wish I didn’t do this thread Twisted firestarter Good to get things aired mate. Don't worry about it. Hopefully one day we'll arrive at 'a man is a man is a man' and skin colour won't even be noticed or be a factor and nor will there need to be a song and dance any time anyone uses what a bunch of self important cunts with fuck all else to do deem an inappropriate word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottm_Wanderer Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) It is a very thought provoking thread. Has anyone asked their black friends what they think abot BLM ? Has anyone ever been with a black person when they have been abused? It is a very upsetting experience. I was with one of my friends walking on the pavement a van pulled up alongside us and we were spat at ... it missed . FYI : No witnesses, no cctv , she is black , i am white. I experienced another issue on a bus, i confronted the abuser , a bit stupid as i am 60 something and he was in his 30s . He did it as he was getting off the bus , so verbally abused an old black guy and in effect ran off . Anyway thats my two penneth view. If anyone wants to take the knee it is OK by me. BTW , i do not see so much "noise" on a thread when the FA have there " rainbow laces" day ...players have rainbow laces and the corner flags are "rainbow flags" in support of LGBTQ+ . Does that tell us anything? Just saying / asking. Edited September 15, 2020 by Nottm_Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 15, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 One day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nottm_Wanderer said: BTW , i do not see so much "noise" on a thread when the FA have there " rainbow laces" day ...players have rainbow laces and the corner flags are "rainbow flags" in support of LGBTQ+ . Does that tell us anything? Just saying / asking. Just wait for the outrage on here when the players decide to bend over before kick-off in support of the gays, and their movement known as BUM - Benders and Unsures Matter Anyway, stop talking about it. it's all a myth, there are no problems with racism in this country. Talking about it only turns it into a problem. Edited September 15, 2020 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 15, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Nottm_Wanderer said: It is a very thought provoking thread. Has anyone asked their black friends what they think abot BLM ? Has anyone ever been with a black person when they have been abused? It is a very upsetting experience. I was with one of my friends walking on the pavement a van pulled up alongside us and we were spat at ... it missed . FYI : No witnesses, no cctv , she is black , i am white. I experienced another issue on a bus, i confronted the abuser , a bit stupid as i am 60 something and he was in his 30s . He did it as he was getting off the bus , so verbally abused an old black guy and in effect ran off . Anyway thats my two penneth view. If anyone wants to take the knee it is OK by me. BTW , i do not see so much "noise" on a thread when the FA have there " rainbow laces" day ...players have rainbow laces and the corner flags are "rainbow flags" in support of LGBTQ+ . Does that tell us anything? Just saying / asking. I don't have any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Lovely piece of gammon that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Nottm_Wanderer said: It is a very thought provoking thread. Has anyone asked their black friends what they think abot BLM ? Has anyone ever been with a black person when they have been abused? It is a very upsetting experience. I was with one of my friends walking on the pavement a van pulled up alongside us and we were spat at ... it missed . FYI : No witnesses, no cctv , she is black , i am white. I experienced another issue on a bus, i confronted the abuser , a bit stupid as i am 60 something and he was in his 30s . He did it as he was getting off the bus , so verbally abused an old black guy and in effect ran off . Anyway thats my two penneth view. If anyone wants to take the knee it is OK by me. BTW , i do not see so much "noise" on a thread when the FA have there " rainbow laces" day ...players have rainbow laces and the corner flags are "rainbow flags" in support of LGBTQ+ . Does that tell us anything? Just saying / asking. I’ve no issue with BLM, Kick it out, rainbow laces etc getting a run out once a year. But every week forever more, seems vastly greater than the proportion of the problem for me I’m quite sure their is plenty of racism in the U.K. predominantly knuckle dragging idiots who have little or no significance in anything meaningful (I think kick it out has done a great job getting a lot of this out of football) my issue with BLM is that they seem to be saying that the racism issue goes beyond knuckle draggers and is ingrained in our system (systemic racism). That white people have an advantage with our system just based on skin colour. That’s where I take issue, the system broadly encompasses education, welfare, employment and healthcare. For me, ‘the system’ is a level playing field based on skin colour in this country A piece in the Times today saying that young men from certain parts of the country (old industrial rust belt towns) are at a major disadvantage financially to other young males who live in more affluent areas like London (where 80% of the Black population live). I guess having multi millionaire sportsmen take the knee every week is a bit of a piss take if they are saying a white male from Barrow or Burnley is privileged when compared to a black lad from London If tgat makes me a Gammon then fair enough, I’ll wear that badge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 That is a pretty gammony reply tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I’ve no issue with BLM, Kick it out, rainbow laces etc getting a run out once a year. But every week forever more, seems vastly greater than the proportion of the problem for me I’m quite sure their is plenty of racism in the U.K. predominantly knuckle dragging idiots who have little or no significance in anything meaningful (I think kick it out has done a great job getting a lot of this out of football) my issue with BLM is that they seem to be saying that the racism issue goes beyond knuckle draggers and is ingrained in our system (systemic racism). That white people have an advantage with our system just based on skin colour. That’s where I take issue, the system broadly encompasses education, welfare, employment and healthcare. For me, ‘the system’ is a level playing field based on skin colour in this country A piece in the Times today saying that young men from certain parts of the country (old industrial rust belt towns) are at a major disadvantage financially to other young males who live in more affluent areas like London (where 80% of the Black population live). I guess having multi millionaire sportsmen take the knee every week is a bit of a piss take if they are saying a white male from Barrow or Burnley is privileged when compared to a black lad from London If tgat makes me a Gammon then fair enough, I’ll wear that badge Would you like a fried egg and some pineapple with that, sir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 15, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I’ve no issue with BLM, Kick it out, rainbow laces etc getting a run out once a year. But every week forever more, seems vastly greater than the proportion of the problem for me I’m quite sure their is plenty of racism in the U.K. predominantly knuckle dragging idiots who have little or no significance in anything meaningful (I think kick it out has done a great job getting a lot of this out of football) my issue with BLM is that they seem to be saying that the racism issue goes beyond knuckle draggers and is ingrained in our system (systemic racism). That white people have an advantage with our system just based on skin colour. That’s where I take issue, the system broadly encompasses education, welfare, employment and healthcare. For me, ‘the system’ is a level playing field based on skin colour in this country A piece in the Times today saying that young men from certain parts of the country (old industrial rust belt towns) are at a major disadvantage financially to other young males who live in more affluent areas like London (where 80% of the Black population live). I guess having multi millionaire sportsmen take the knee every week is a bit of a piss take if they are saying a white male from Barrow or Burnley is privileged when compared to a black lad from London If tgat makes me a Gammon then fair enough, I’ll wear that badge Get a number of the badges and go for the lady gaga look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, DazBob said: That is a pretty gammony reply tbf. Very woke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 15, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: I’ve no issue with BLM, Kick it out, rainbow laces etc getting a run out once a year. But every week forever more, seems vastly greater than the proportion of the problem for me I’m quite sure their is plenty of racism in the U.K. predominantly knuckle dragging idiots who have little or no significance in anything meaningful (I think kick it out has done a great job getting a lot of this out of football) my issue with BLM is that they seem to be saying that the racism issue goes beyond knuckle draggers and is ingrained in our system (systemic racism). That white people have an advantage with our system just based on skin colour. That’s where I take issue, the system broadly encompasses education, welfare, employment and healthcare. For me, ‘the system’ is a level playing field based on skin colour in this country A piece in the Times today saying that young men from certain parts of the country (old industrial rust belt towns) are at a major disadvantage financially to other young males who live in more affluent areas like London (where 80% of the Black population live). I guess having multi millionaire sportsmen take the knee every week is a bit of a piss take if they are saying a white male from Barrow or Burnley is privileged when compared to a black lad from London If that makes me a Gammon then fair enough, I’ll wear that badge You're misunderstanding what is meant by 'White Privilege'. It isn't an attack on white people. It's just one more thing that makes life a bit more difficult for a non-white person in our society. It can be subtle, or it can be overt. As you rightly point out, people from poorer regions (Barrow or Burnley) face certain disadvantages in life that are impossible to define, but we know they exist. "White privilege" is just having one less disadvantage. It's nothing to be offended by. Edited September 15, 2020 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Cheese said: You're misunderstanding what is meant by 'White Privilege'. It isn't an attack on white people. It's just one more thing that makes life a bit more difficult for a non-white person in our society. It can be subtle, or it can be overt. As you rightly point out, people from poorer regions (Barrow or Burnley) face certain disadvantages in life that are impossible to define, but we know they exist. "White privilege" is just having one less disadvantage. It's nothing to be offended by. The theory that ‘white privileg’ is evident in all aspects of the system I fundamentally disagree with. Education, Healthcare, welfare - not a chance, it’s a level playing field for me. Justice, your back onto the stop and search stuff but then again that’s disproportionate as much against males and young people as it is against non whites (is our justice system sexist and ageist then?) I just don’t see why this cause needs supporting at sporting events every single week for ever more, completely out of proportion to the size of the issue for me. Do it once a year like a lot of the other stuff and I’m fine with it If we are going to protest about something every single week forever more then let it be something much more serious and substantial like climate change Edited September 15, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 15, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: The theory that ‘white privileg’ is evident in all aspects of the system I fundamentally disagree with. Education, Healthcare, welfare - not a chance it’s a level playing field. Justice, your back onto the stop and search stuff but then again that’s disproportionate as much against males and young people as it is against non whites (is our justice system sexist and ageist then?) I just don’t see why this cause needs supporting at sporting events every single week for ever more, completely out of proportion to the size of the issue for me. Do it once a year like a lot of the other stuff and I’m fine with it If we are going to protest about something every single week forever more then let it be something much more serious and substantial like climate change But you say that as someone who hasn't lived as a non-white person in any of those systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: But you say that as someone who hasn't lived as a non-white person in any of those systems. Do you think our healthcare system, the NHS works better if your white? Surely not Welfare is the same for everyone, in fact the average black person gets more per head than a white person due to the fact 50% of the fathers are absent Education? Black African kids perform better than white at GCSE, as do Chinese and Indian. Non white are more likely to go to Uni than white Struggling to see the disadvantage to be honest Ah, stop and searches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Don’t forget black men get pulled over at least 5 times a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 15, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: Do you think our healthcare system, the NHS works better if your white? Surely not Welfare is the same for everyone, in fact the average black person gets more per head than a white person due to the fact 50% of the fathers are absent Education? Black African kids perform better than white at GCSE, as do Chinese and Indian. Non white are more likely to go to Uni than white Struggling to see the disadvantage to be honest Ah, stop and searches Can you share the sources for all these stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Cheese said: Can you share the sources for all these stats? Education.... https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest Edited September 15, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: How very gammon of you 😁 Seriously though, do they get pulled over that much ? You could say people who drive fast cars like BMW, Audi, Merc etc .. get pulled over more than average Micra, Corsa or Yaris driver. Gammmooonnnn fuck knows if it’s that much danny rose was bleating he got picked on regularly people get pulled for a reason not skin colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Cheese said: Can you share the sources for all these stats? Absent fathers... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19815831 https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/rod-liddle-is-right-about-black-boys-and-absent-dads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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