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Not in Crawley
Not in Crawley

Its appeasement, that's all it is, and more people will end up dying in the longer term if you essentially capitulate to agressors. These aren't peace deals in the slightest.

Spider
Spider

We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials. Thats where we are now. its ok

mickbrown
mickbrown

That Vance is a bigger cunt than Trump 

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Cheese

Cheese

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2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yes from his telegraph article from 2 days ago, which I said. 

I am going off his announcement yesterday. 

Please keep up. 

The article was published yeserday, and he said exactly the same in his announcement.

royal white

royal white

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2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Read the bottom bit - "to enforce any peace deal".

I’ve just picked up your lies and you’re still at it. 😂😂 stop you fkin gawp.

Im not sure what you’re trying to prove, everything you’re posting is backing up what I’m saying. 

Cheese

Cheese

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6 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ve just picked up your lies and you’re still at it. 😂😂 stop you fkin gawp.

Im not sure what you’re trying to prove, everything you’re posting is backing up what I’m saying. 

Nothing you have said makes any sense, as per. You're bouncing around all over the place. You're praising Trump, but calling Starmer a boot-licker for backing whatever Trump comes up with, even though he didn't say that. 🤷‍♂️

royal white

royal white

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1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Nothing you have said makes any sense, as per. You're bouncing around all over the place. You're praising Trump, but calling Starmer a boot-licker for backing whatever Trump comes up with, even though he didn't say that. 🤷‍♂️

Ok 👍 

MalcolmW

MalcolmW

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Crimea has passed back and forth between Russia and Ukraine many times.

It was part of Russia in Stalin's time, and he drove the Tatars out.

When Khrushchev took over after Stalin's death he transferred Crimea to Ukraine in an attempt to encourage them to return (but they did not anyway).

Putin repossessed Crimea in 2014 and there was a lot of hand-wringing from the West, but nothing more.

Putin invaded further in 2022 as detailed above and Zelensky did not fall and has survived. He wants the full border restored including Crimea.

Trump (or a competent spokesperson) should privately say to Putin that the options are :

1. keep Crimea and give up all other land taken,

2, allow the UN to organise voting in each Oblast, etc. with the results binding. (TGhis may well have the same result as option 1 anyway), or 

3. remain a pariah state for the rest of your time.

 

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

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2 hours ago, Cheese said:

It's pretty clear what LW is saying -  If European leaders decided "Let's start talks with Russia and offer them whatever they want to end the war", they could have quite easily done that. Bit like Chamberlain did in 1938 when they carved up Czechoslovakia and gave half of it to Hitler. That went well, eh?

 I really have no idea why he’s found that such a hard point to grasp. Nobody else has. 

Rambling on about Belgium & Portugal & all this ‘try your best’ shite 😂

 Putin would have met with anyone offering him most of Eastern Ukraine as a way to end the war.

 

royal white

royal white

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3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 I really have no idea why he’s found that such a hard point to grasp. Nobody else has. 

Rambling on about Belgium & Portugal & all this ‘try your best’ shite 😂

 Putin would have met with anyone offering him most of Eastern Ukraine as a way to end the war.

 

I’ve explained it to you, and I’ve asked the question as to why they didn’t, to which you replied “they want Ukraine to be a sovereign nation and shouldn’t have to give up land to Russia” that would have been a great and plausible answer right up until KS said he will put boots on the ground to help a peace deal. The only peace deal being discussed will likely leave Ukraine in the position European leaders didn’t want. So why the fuck is Starmer going to back it? Why didn’t he or France decide to have these talks last year? 

Cheese

Cheese

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Just now, royal white said:

I’ve explained it to you, and I’ve asked the question as to why they didn’t, to which you replied “they want Ukraine to be a sovereign nation and shouldn’t have to give up land to Russia” that would have been a great and plausible answer right up until KS said he will put boots on the ground to help a peace deal. The only peace deal being discussed will likely leave Ukraine in the position European leaders didn’t want. So why the fuck is Starmer going to back it? Why didn’t he or France decide to have these talks last year? 

You've literally answered your own question in that post, you muppet.

Cheese

Cheese

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Just now, royal white said:

So why is Starmer keen to support it? 

Keen to support what? As has been explained to you multiple times, he said he would be willing to commit peace-keeping ground forces IF THAT WAS PART OF A PEACE DEAL. You're clearly on another wind-up. Enjoy.

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

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20 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

Crimea has passed back and forth between Russia and Ukraine many times.

It was part of Russia in Stalin's time, and he drove the Tatars out.

When Khrushchev took over after Stalin's death he transferred Crimea to Ukraine in an attempt to encourage them to return (but they did not anyway).

Putin repossessed Crimea in 2014 and there was a lot of hand-wringing from the West, but nothing more.

Putin invaded further in 2022 as detailed above and Zelensky did not fall and has survived. He wants the full border restored including Crimea.

Trump (or a competent spokesperson) should privately say to Putin that the options are :

1. keep Crimea and give up all other land taken,

2, allow the UN to organise voting in each Oblast, etc. with the results binding. (TGhis may well have the same result as option 1 anyway), or 

3. remain a pariah state for the rest of your time.

 

Aye, well said. 

 I think we all know deep down that he won’t though. It will be much more land & resources that were vital to Ukraine’s economy.

And the election would be fair, even if Russia does find a way to meddle in everyone else’s. 
 

I’d love to be wrong & see Trump offer what you suggest… will hold my hands up if he does it. Highly doubt it though.

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royal white

royal white

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Just now, Cheese said:

Keen to support what? As has been explained to you multiple times, he said he would be willing to commit peace-keeping ground forces IF THAT WAS PART OF A PEACE DEAL. You're clearly on another wind-up. Enjoy.

You are going off old news again and generally being the depressing nonce you are. But I’ll go with it. If it was part of a  peace deal why is he going along with it? Ukraine shouldn’t have to give their land up should they. What’s changed? 

wanderer1984

wanderer1984

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4 hours ago, boltonboris said:

So why do you lust for more of it? Why do you defend a despot? As I've said before, Trump could slit the throat of one his followers kids and the parent would back him

 

It's a cult

Fucking idiot 

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

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13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You've literally answered your own question in that post, you muppet.

😂😂

“Whatabout Starmer” !

Starmer hasn’t said anywhere that he would  support a peace deal where Ukraine loses all the land & resources that was taken.

That Starmer said he’ll put boots on the ground doesn’t disprove the point I made in the slightest. 

I think he’s beyond being on a wind up now. He’s just spun himself in lots of circles & tangents about a perfectly valid point that was made.

Nothing special about Trump’s ‘achievements’ in securing these talks. Far from it. 

royal white

royal white

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7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂😂

“Whatabout Starmer” !

Starmer hasn’t said anywhere that he would  support a peace deal where Ukraine loses all the land & resources that was taken.

That Starmer said he’ll put boots on the ground doesn’t disprove the point I made in the slightest. 

I think he’s beyond being on a wind up now. He’s just spun himself in lots of circles & tangents about a perfectly valid point that was made.

Nothing special about Trump’s ‘achievements’ in securing these talks. Far from it. 

The only person talking about a peace deals is Trump. We all know what that means for Ukraine, they will lose land (most of eastern Ukraine if we listen to you) 
 

No one else has attempted peace talks which is my point. All this time sending money just hoping for the best. As soon as the Don Rocks up, and let’s face it a lot of his campaign was based on peace in Ukraine so it’s hardly a shock, Europe  wants to start doing things. 
 

Even cheese’s misunderstanding of KS point is “IF boots are needed we will supply them” Boot licking America again, saying we will send troops to a peace deal we are not involved with (at the moment) 

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London Wanderer

London Wanderer

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1 hour ago, royal white said:

The only person talking about a peace deals is Trump. We all know what that means for Ukraine, they will lose land (most of eastern Ukraine if we listen to you) 
 

No one else has attempted peace talks which is my point. All this time sending money just hoping for the best. As soon as the Don Rocks up, and let’s face it a lot of his campaign was based on peace in Ukraine so it’s hardly a shock, Europe  wants to start doing things. 

Fckn hell

Not sure I've the energy to read on after such a simple analogy of what's been happening since the war started. 

This reads with a lot more sense. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg151j5504o

Donald Trump, a man who seems convinced that the principles of a real-estate deal can be applied to ending a war will discover that making peace is much more complicated than just getting a ceasefire and deciding how much land each side keeps.

President Putin has made very clear that he wants to break Ukraine's sovereignty and destroy its ability to act as an independent nation.

Whether or not Ukraine's President Zelensky has a seat at President Trump's conference table, he won't agree to that. Making a peace that lasts, if it's possible, will be a long and slow process.

If Donald Trump wants a quick peace dividend, he should look elsewhere.

 

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royal white

royal white

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2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fckn hell

Not sure I've the energy to read on after such a simple analogy of what's been happening since the war started. 

This reads with a lot more sense. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg151j5504o

Donald Trump, a man who seems convinced that the principles of a real-estate deal can be applied to ending a war will discover that making peace is much more complicated than just getting a ceasefire and deciding how much land each side keeps.

President Putin has made very clear that he wants to break Ukraine's sovereignty and destroy its ability to act as an independent nation.

Whether or not Ukraine's President Zelensky has a seat at President Trump's conference table, he won't agree to that. Making a peace that lasts, if it's possible, will be a long and slow process.

If Donald Trump wants a quick peace dividend, he should look elsewhere.

 

Again you’re avoiding europes (or some of) reaction to Trump. You keep going off on a tangent. 

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